This club is hopeless. 8th place in the premier league, negative goal difference, shameful last place in the easy group of the champions league. Give him a new contract please.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Ducker confirming the club had been in contact with McKenna and met with Frank's representatives on the day United travelled to Wembley for the final.
That was nothing more than pure speculation based on Southgate's past relationships with Ashworth and Brailsford. But its a masterclass in getting clicks and engagement from the journos; it provided those who wanted ETH in a worse case scenario to argue their case; and now it will be used by those who wanted ETH out to say told you so.
Kinky.
After reading that, I'm more convinced it was essential to keep ETH this summer and show the players they can't keep getting managers sacked. Hopefully a lot of the problems can now be dealt with and we'll have a more cohesive season next year.
Very good decision by INEOS, we need stability. The players clearly like him and want him to succeed.
While I can at least see the rationale in keeping him, even if I don’t agree with it, is there any need for the contract extension outside of a show of confidence?
I mean it’s clear that there were at least some doubts about him at some point this season. I feel like the extension just adds an added layer of complexity if things don’t actually get better this coming season.
I mean it’s clear that there were at least some doubts about him at some point this season. I feel like the extension just adds an added layer of complexity if things don’t actually get better this coming season.
That is not a sign of good leadership...
How much would it cost to get rid of him?
I want to rate performances higher than results while planning for the future. The last few matches at the end of the season actually are the only thing that gives me a little hope that keeping EtH might be the right decision, but that they resulted in winning a cup shouldn't matter much in assessing if he should stay or not (same applies to the players). Or in other words, the cup final was a very good performance and I would accept that as a reason for hope even if EtH had lost it. Probably more than if he had won it by using the terrible approach we saw for most of the season.
Out of all the community platforms, this one has the most negativity about this decision. Such a shame.
Addressing the injury situation is also an INEOs thing to fix. If we hadn’t had those injuries last season and the sesson went the way it went and/or the injuries were considered partly the managers fault, I don’t think ETH would be here.
You’d hope the club is planning with alternative options for the mananger. We need a LB, CB, CM and a striker at least. I mean, even having an extra striker would be nice. You’d hope having players more suited to ETH style and that hopefully this season was more an experimental one with ETH changing tactics if required, that we really shouldn’t be seeing the really tumescent stuff that went on at times.
Id say we could also see a few loan signings to go with a couple of main ones. Any expensive ones Won’t be over 25, so no Casemiro ones.
Another concern for me is that we do rely on youngsters a fair bit. 3 starting in our team , I’m worried about 2nd season syndrome that can happen to a lot of them after a break out season. We need to be able to rest or drop these lads and others to be fair.
So many times in games I see people say “make a sub, change it”. But I can’t remember too often looking at United benches and thinking there was great options for the manager. I’ve always felt the club is responsible for creating a squad for a manager , now we have an owner who at least gets that, whether they are good at doing it is another thing.
So the summer window is vital. Maybe we will end up with more squad players , rather than top quality additions. One could argue this was more our problem last season in the sense that there were no good options for rotation or resting.
I don't get the certainty of that statement tbh. The players didn't really show that for much of the season; and an FA cup final against a big city rival seems more like an outlier to make that case.
How has him coming out on top after reviewing all the options undermined him? If anything it's strengthened his position. Ten Hag wasn't INEOS' guy. He is now.
As addressed many times already, it's unlikely to simply be an extension.
I'm quite sure Ineos will have changed a few things and more than likely added some break clauses for poor performance.
Assuming that's the case, an extension to prevent constant speculation makes perfect sense.
Rewriting history is pretty cultish.feck sake another season of you kids saying shite like this
I think the last few games provided some hope that he can be adaptable.
I know people saying if we play like we did at the end of the season we would have finished top 4 but really, I dont think personally I want to see us playing that way.
I dont want another season of just low block, he needs to find a way to push to the half way line and dominate games like City / Arsenal do, the further we keep the opponents from our goal the better.
That is the challenge for him, cause any manager can set us up defensively and get results on the counter, that tactic works when you are 0-0 or 1-0 up.
This season, he has no excuses, he had 1 good and 1 bad season, credit and excuses used up, this season he has to be in and around the top until January I would say.
I think the extension is because they have to, to show support to him. Also, they would want to make changes to his role, say manager to head coach and take certain responsibilities of him, which will be detailed in the contract.
Wow... you are arguing a point that I never made. Did I say anything about top four? No. Did I claim that United shouldn't aim for winning trophies? No.
United did win the FA cup 2023/24. That's great.
How many points does it give you in the PL season 2024/25? Zero
How many points does it give you in the EL group stage 2024/25? Zero
How many rounds does it waive you through in the FA Cup 2024/25? Zero
How many rounds does it waive you through in the Carabao Cup 2024/25? Zero
That's what I meant by trophies are a thing of yesterday, now the club has to focus on the next season.
I want United to win cups, actually I often argued that United should take the so called "small" or "irrelevant" cups seriously to build a winning culture again. For me part of that is to always assess how to maximize your chances to win stuff again. And for that you have to look at performances, at the sustainability of your tactical approach and such things. Exactly because you are absolutely right, there is always luck involved in winning cups, so cups on their own are not a great indicator of future success.
Of 1 game, yeah.
Yes of course, but what I mean is now that he's confirmed (although not by the club yet) as staying, then people should put their grievances aside and start backing him. All of this infighting just makes us look silly.
All the media hacks now rewriting history , they were absolutely wrong, badly wrong and their response has to be “we were right until those pesky fans got in the way”. Now deflecting attention from themselves to INEOs. Fantastic deflecting and since many love to follow the media narrative , many will lap it up.
It’s why so many people keep quoting stupid tweets and people not in the know , who say so much crap , some of it is bound to be correct.
I'm so happy with that, feel like we have really put a line in the sand here. Love it, can't wait for next season.
Excited to see how next season pans out with, one hopes, excellent, determined players brought in.
He deserved a few starts after that performance.
So how long does he get next season when we continue where we left off from last? (And I'm not talking about the FA Cup final)
Another season wasted.
Another season wasted.
Now, let's get on with it then. However INEOS should sack our medical team, how the feck we had so many injuries last season. At least we were league leaders in something...
Fully agree on this take.
I'm "thrilled" that the fans reaction played a big role in this .
But oh well, here we are. I will always support the manager and hope he does well, cause that is only good for our beloved team.
But, I actually hope they wait with giving him an extension, because this might not turn out to be a good decision. Yes I'm not confident about this, mostly because what we saw this season. I really, really hope he proves me wrong.
.But oh well, here we are. I will always support the manager and hope he does well, cause that is only good for our beloved team.
But, I actually hope they wait with giving him an extension, because this might not turn out to be a good decision. Yes I'm not confident about this, mostly because what we saw this season. I really, really hope he proves me wrong.
At the end of the day, winning trophies buys you more time. It's always been this way.
This is the reality, after Pep he’s the only coach to win more than one trophy in England, Liverpool weaker, Chelsea weaker, Villa finding out why it’s the Champions League and Ange needs a trophy to kick off his tenure too.
Newcastle they need a trophy, 23 Carabo Cup Winner, 24 FA Cup Winner, 25 who knows but Europa League is a serious option and hopefully he picks up another trophy this season while we rebuild behind the scenes.
We should address Shaw issue as it's a persistent one, he's going to get injured again so we need a viable, reliable backup.
If Martinez is out for a significant portion of season then obviously you need to adjust your expectations. If he's as good as we perceive him to be, he's irreplaceable.
Even if you’re delighted by this news, I’d say you’re quite optimistic if you don’t think the debate whether to sack him will be back within the next 6 months.
Feels like we’re just delaying the inevitable in some ways.
Hope I’m wrong. Hope we have a roaring season. But I can’t force myself to believe that’ll be. And I don’t think being realistic about that is a bad thing
Yes, it’s very positive? We apparently had the worst season ever with the worst injury crisis we’ve had and yet we were 8 points off CL places and won a cup. Even if we sign nobody but have better injury luck, do you not think it’s reasonable to think we’d do better? Add in a few new players and I’d say it’s very reasonable to think we can then bridge the gap back to the CL places?
Extending his contract is straight out of the Woodward playbook. He's lucky to get a year to prove himself.
Weighing up all the options can be good leadership.
The have more data than you have.
A good tweet (which others agreed with) has really rattled you
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