If you acknowledge the number of shots faced and lack of identity as a problem then how is keeping the manager whose insane tactics caused the number of shots faced the correct decision
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Having a good transfer market was always going to be more important than who the manager is, imo. If we don't move on the let downs and bring in good players in area we're weak in then it won't matter who the manager is.
Thing is, that might well take a few windows under the new structure INEOS are putting in place, so yes that is a worry for EtH. However, there's still a scenario where 3/4 good recruits this window would be a significant step in the right direction, especially if we don't have the same injury issues as last season.
It's a lot of ifs and buts. Going to feel like a long summer...
The problem was it was a scene that was repeated multiple times in virtually every game. There's compilations on YouTube and Twitter of the very problem.
We can only hope unlike last season it will be addressed next season.
what? Why do you think there's been constant chatter about how badly we've been set-up in midfield all season? And why do you think we've conceded so many goals and shots? Incredible that someone could not only watch football but also be active on a football forum, be a United fan that is tapped into the swirling discourse about the club, see that snap, and think that it's fine.There's defending and finding excuses for the manager/set-up and then there's this.
So now we’re gonna give him a new contract and it will be much more expensive to sack him in November when the board finally accept what they already know. Genius.
A lot of butt hurt "fans" in here today.
They must have revised his severance package. No way he'll be getting a gargantuan payoff, surely.
Think it’s quite possible some of them wanted him sacked straight after the cup final to maximise his humiliation. Gotta have some ritualistic drama. A sacrifice to the rage bait gods!
I mean even if they had sacked him, 2 and a half weeks grace from a huge win, wherein the only manager we missed out on was Vincent Kompany and pretty much every player is on international duty, wouldn’t have actually caused any issues at all either.
No way a Salford fella says butthurt unironically
Why the quotation marks? If I believe the best thing for the club is to make a change (and frankly I have more evidence to back that up than you have), why does that make me any less of a fan? If anything you are the one placing a misguided sense of loyalty over the club’s best interests.
At least this saga has ended, rightly or wrongly for now .However without knowing the terms of ETH new contract conditions everyone will be expecting a massive improvement in tactics and coaching next season, obviously dependent of the quality of players we can lure to OT this summer.
A shaky first few months and he will be back on thin ice, thank god we are Southgate free!
A shaky first few months and he will be back on thin ice, thank god we are Southgate free!
They must have had an inkling prior to the final what the plan was, factoring in all possible outcomes for what might happen at Wembley. This suggests probably not though, which is why the chatter about injuries has come back to the fore. Feels a lot like they are punching in the dark at the moment.
Don’t think ERIK will read this.
This seems optimistic. We were fortunate to get the points we did and villas form may have tapered off partly because they didn't need to win every game at the back end of the season.
I wouldn't just be happy with top 4 personally if it didn't come with any indication that a better brand of football was being developed and I don't have any confidence ten hag can actually deliver that
Not great, not terrible. Could always have been so much worse, I suppose, like Southgate, Pochettino, Frank, or Potter. But it could have been better as well. The prospect of more of Ten Hag's miserable football is depressing.
Offering him a new contract however would be utterly stupid, but stupid is part and parcel around here, so not surprising. Maybe at least keep him away from recruitment then, please?
INEOS not exactly impressing so far...
Offering him a new contract however would be utterly stupid, but stupid is part and parcel around here, so not surprising. Maybe at least keep him away from recruitment then, please?
INEOS not exactly impressing so far...
Is this a new contract thing or just letting giving us time
I wish I could be this optimistic about the way it's been handled
'considered thought' is a generous description of how this played out
to me it looks like we were all set to sack him, couldn't find a decent replacement and eventually bowed to fan sentiment after winning the cup
now we go into the new season with the managers position looking weak as piss
it is clear the club’s standards and vision no longer match my own, and they have forced me to consider my options. i will be conducting a thorough review of the past season to decide if the partnership between us can continue.
You say that like we score lots of goals. We were the lowest scorers in the top half of the table and the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham, Luton and Brentford scored comparable amounts to us.
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As some have speculated the contract extension might just be a means to change the terms of his contract and take away his control over transfers. And we'd have to hope he's been told that the wankyball we persisted with last season isn't going to fly next year. He's very lucky to still be in a job and I think the timing of the takeover saved him.
I'm fine with this. But obviously he won't survive another season like the one we've just had, mitigating circumstances or not.
Let's get on with it then.
what happens if we’re 3-0 up in the first 10 minutes of the first game of the season, and then aliens abduct our players from the pitch, forcing him to play the under 12s for the rest of the season, and we only finish 15th?
Well you'd imagine/hope we can't have as many injuries next season. So if things are still going tits up by November then there'll be no excuse to hide behind next season.
Love it
True but the shit served up last season wasn't far behind.
30 years.
I doubt that was a consideration if as reported they are giving him a new contract.
Maybe they are, Southgate will still be tied up with England for the next 2-3 months.
Ineos have undermined him with their rather public search for alternative managers. The only way to restore his authority is with a similarly public backing from the club, which was always likely to take the form of a contract extension.
That Palace 4-0 game was arguably the turning point strangely enough. As straight after that result ETH realised that he had to tighten things up and brought in Amrabat/packed the midfield from the Arsenal game onwards which has saved his job.
I don't really understand why it took until May for ETH to make this change - I think his biggest flaw is his stubbornness and sticking with a plan that clearly isn't working for too long.
But with that said - do I think he is a good coach? Yes. The tweak in system in the games leading up to the cup final is one example of that. I think it's actually quite refreshing that we are backing the manager.
Looking to next season, there's absolutely no chance the injury crisis is as bad as next season surely. Keeping Martinez and Shaw fit (and bringing in cover for them) will be key. Get another striker in to support Hojlund, Mount will improve, Rashford will want to prove people wrong etc - I think there's a lot to be positive about providing the new structure are more effective in the transfer window.
I don't really understand why it took until May for ETH to make this change - I think his biggest flaw is his stubbornness and sticking with a plan that clearly isn't working for too long.
But with that said - do I think he is a good coach? Yes. The tweak in system in the games leading up to the cup final is one example of that. I think it's actually quite refreshing that we are backing the manager.
Looking to next season, there's absolutely no chance the injury crisis is as bad as next season surely. Keeping Martinez and Shaw fit (and bringing in cover for them) will be key. Get another striker in to support Hojlund, Mount will improve, Rashford will want to prove people wrong etc - I think there's a lot to be positive about providing the new structure are more effective in the transfer window.
Considering that they want to change the structure they might need to do that to take away responsibilities from him that are part of his current contract (I think it's likely that there exist some clauses especially about transfers as we know he wanted a lot of control over this - more than INEOS want a manager to have).
True. Ill never forget one game at OT, think it was Swansea at home, and we were in that run where we just couldnt score a goal in the first half. I noticed this weird sound around me, and I turned and realised it was just everyone sat there chatting to each other. People weren't even facing towards the game because they knew nothing would happen, they were just having a chat and a beer and waiting til later in the game when it would eventually kick off. I've never seen anything like that before, not even under Moyes or Rangnick.
Proud to say I've been ETH in the whole time.
Vindicated.
This is the moment the club becomes Manchester United again.
Vindicated.
This is the moment the club becomes Manchester United again.
Funny how the Scousers are delighted with this news. Do they need reminding that they failed to beat Ten Hag last season? And ruined their entire season? Odd bunch.
Yep makes sense, I'm just saying I doubt they'd keep a manager on they don't want for an extra year just so they don't have to pay off the last year of his contract. Especially if they are making a financial committment to giving him a longer deal.
0 standards or ambition but that's not new. We are not a serious football club.
The only way to restore his authority is by being good at his job. By having coherent Football and man-management decisions, if he focuses on that he will be fine. Things like public backing are useless outside of PR.
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