Yeah no I’m not specifically directing my rant at you
Didn’t mean for it to come off that wayJust a realization I’ve recently had I think
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Yeah no I’m not specifically directing my rant at you
Didn’t mean for it to come off that wayJust a realization I’ve recently had I think
Decision made, move on and support the team.
Good decision.
yes, he needs to improve tactically especially his in game management. It sometimes gets frustrating. Hopefully the new owners will help with signings as well. But i eventually wanted him to stay because:
1- we can not keep changing managers every 2 years. Absolutely ruining us. Better to give him more time to rebuild.
2- the players seem to be behind him. Rare after 2 years at united!! the dressing room is not toxic.
3- he is promoting players from the academy. Garnacho, mainoo and kambawala. Good, we need that.
4- he won 2 trophies in 2 years.
5- he had an injured squad all year. It’s a good argument for him.
6- he is starting to tell the media to f off. Especially when overhyping young players. He’s protecting them.
hope this works!
yes, he needs to improve tactically especially his in game management. It sometimes gets frustrating. Hopefully the new owners will help with signings as well. But i eventually wanted him to stay because:
1- we can not keep changing managers every 2 years. Absolutely ruining us. Better to give him more time to rebuild.
2- the players seem to be behind him. Rare after 2 years at united!! the dressing room is not toxic.
3- he is promoting players from the academy. Garnacho, mainoo and kambawala. Good, we need that.
4- he won 2 trophies in 2 years.
5- he had an injured squad all year. It’s a good argument for him.
6- he is starting to tell the media to f off. Especially when overhyping young players. He’s protecting them.
hope this works!
It is untrue. Your arguments on cup games are one sided.
How did Liverpool score goals against us? Scrappy goal, deflected goals.
City? Onana butter fingers.
Coventry? Pathetic penalty, huge deflection.
I think contract renewal should done as slowly as possible, target January to complete extension if we are doing well in the league and Europa games. If we suck, I don't think he deserves any extension. Why would we extend a manager who finish 8th that plays awful football? Winning FA cup doesn't deserve an extension. ETH should be given Christmas to see if he deserves a extension.
Absolutely the right decision. Replacing ETH with someone like Tuchel or Pochettino would have been self-destructive to say the least. ETH needs another season with proper management behind him.
Agree with this and hopefully Southgate isn't looking for a job xmas time
He can't leave us as open as he did last year and have us played off the park by the likes of Palace a d Bournemouth
We're fecked
I am genuinely shocked with this decision. I did not see it hapenning at all.
It smells like all alternative options collapsed and for now we said fair enough, you get another chance. Still I don't think he'll last another season here.
It smells like all alternative options collapsed and for now we said fair enough, you get another chance. Still I don't think he'll last another season here.
How did people not see something like this coming? We'd just won the FA Cup final, it seems most of the matchgoing fans are still behind him, the players clearly still wanted him.
There was always a chance this could happen and I'm hoping it goes well next year. If we just have a fit Rashford, Shaw and Martinez we'll be ten times better. Two new signings on top of that and we're golden.
Last season he's delivered the worst football post Fergie. The vast majority of our players have underperformed under him. Worst PL league position ever and some utterly embarrassing results especially against the Scousers. Guy can't organize a midfield to save his life. Spent a shit ton of money on absolute dross. Yet we are in contract negotiations for an extension and have to endure another season under him. Great.
Is there NO positives you can see?
With that decision? No. I wanted him out since our CL outing. Although I'm curious how our summer will go now. I guess he again will have some say which is a horrendous thought in itself.
I hope he proves me wrong though and we will suddenly start to look like a team that knows what it's doing.
EDIT: Thinking of it, there's one positive: no fecking Gareth Southgate. The most unimaginative candidate ever. I'd rather have another ten shitty seasons under EtH than that guy. Don't think anyone else but these INEOS clowns would have even considered someone like that for us
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This will be like Mourinho's last season. You know everyone is unhappy, owners were pathethic and passive like always to make a simple decision to sack him, two months into a new season manager and his team will be unhappy too and we will be looking for a replacement for next few months until eventually everything goes to hell and we replace him with caretaker such is Rooney, Carrick, etc.
Yet it happened and I’ve basically stuck by it all year.
There are already several mitigating factors why I think this upcoming season is a write off and we won’t be able to assess ETH completely based on its outcome, which I also think is the reason why INEOS want to give him a new deal and assure him of his future.
Firstly, you want to see how he will perform with the new structure but that structure isn’t even in place yet and won’t be functional before season starts. We are largely going into Summer transfer window without all appointments being finalized which will delay our business and may lead to fewer transfers or even wrong transfers.
This brings me to the second issue ie he’s apparently not going to be picking players anymore which will make it more difficult for him to get the best out of any new acquisitions at least initially - this should also give him more time to bed them in and assess how/if to use these players.
Lastly, I am not feeling very confident about the shape of our current squad: quality and ability to stay fit. We have already seen that the quality of our play is predicated on having full squad or close to it healthy, and that replacements are inadequate. There are too many issues to fix to get to a place where this is addressed to expect it all to happen in one Summer. Then there’s of course tactics issue, where he clearly wants us to play a certain way that will require significant player turnover.
I think what we are doing here is making a mid/long term commitment to ETH and we have to be willing to invest time into his vision. Whatever happens in 24-25 is therefore going to still have a huge asterisk over it and it won’t be until later on that we will be able to sit and have a honest review of his performance. If anything now is the time to let things grow and collect rewards when the time comes (or pull the trigger if there’s no improvement then).
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I thought this would happen. Berrada isn't in.Ashworth isn't in. Disrupted preseason for all clubs with players at Euros.
Reading between the lines the more worrying conclusion is that Southgate was the preferred replacement and he isn't available this summer.
Unfortunately as ETH is staying, that means Antony probably is as well.
Reading between the lines the more worrying conclusion is that Southgate was the preferred replacement and he isn't available this summer.
Unfortunately as ETH is staying, that means Antony probably is as well.
I've been somewhat ambivalent to the decision but glad it's sorted either way
Player ins and outs is a far bigger concern for this summer than the coach imho
Player ins and outs is a far bigger concern for this summer than the coach imho
On balance, I think this is probably the wrong call. I have liked elements of ETH's tenure and he has a resilient personality.
The most important factor this year will be whether he can demonstrate tactical flexibility and move away from the suicidal open midfield which has led to some absolutely abject football in the last year. If he can, he might just keep his job.
The most important factor this year will be whether he can demonstrate tactical flexibility and move away from the suicidal open midfield which has led to some absolutely abject football in the last year. If he can, he might just keep his job.
I was in the ETH out camp, but now that the decision has been made, I can live with giving ETH one more season to redeem himself.
Pros of keeping ETH: It's not Southgate.
Pros of keeping ETH: It's not Southgate.
A decision is made!
Like it or not, at least the club can focus on next season now.
Get the signings right, focus on improving our play and go all out for top 4 and EL.
Failure to qualify for the CL and he should and will go.
Like it or not, at least the club can focus on next season now.
Get the signings right, focus on improving our play and go all out for top 4 and EL.
Failure to qualify for the CL and he should and will go.
Wasn’t overly bothered what happened to Ten Hag, so I’m not unhappy with the call. The club was, and probably still is, unmanageable (I said as much when he signed on) and the players are largely shite, so whoever is in the seat is going to have a hard time.
There’s no one out there I look at and think it wouldn’t end in tears, so happy to go again and hope that Ten Hag can get it right.
There’s no one out there I look at and think it wouldn’t end in tears, so happy to go again and hope that Ten Hag can get it right.
Don't really see the point in this doom and gloom in here now. The decision has been made. Nothing you can do about it. Be positive.
This is so true. So many get hung up on the club not having their favourite manager, or not starting / signing their favourite player, that they forget the most important thing, support the team.
Pros: It’s not Southgate + EtH has made lesser players better players either by developing them or just playing them (Dalot, Wan Bissaka, Garnacho, Mainoo).
Cons: We could really need a reboot to boost morale and for players to prove themselves. Casemiro and Rashford would be the first ones out the door in this scenario if I was at INEOS.
A year more is fine considering the alternatives, at least we ended on a high.
Cons: We could really need a reboot to boost morale and for players to prove themselves. Casemiro and Rashford would be the first ones out the door in this scenario if I was at INEOS.
A year more is fine considering the alternatives, at least we ended on a high.
100%. Also what goes in his favour is the fact the players still like him and are still playing for him. It isn’t a toxic changing room.
So what was all the fuss about??
We all knew it was a load of old shite that he was going to get sacked after winning the FA Cup.....didn't we
We all knew it was a load of old shite that he was going to get sacked after winning the FA Cup.....didn't we
A sensible post amongst a sea of moaning. But some people just want to cherry pick stats to moan further.
Way to complete ignore the point of that post. Good job.
Or just maybe.... with all the restructuring going on, they are going to change his role from that of manager to a head coach and alter his contract according to that(with a lot of other clauses in there)? Just a thought. Interesting that people are so confident about something that they know nothing about.
He didn't. Fair enough he wanted Antony but Murtough, Arnold and co. paid that amount, not him. And they're gone already.
My assumption was the same regarding negotiating a new contract. Restructure his role and alter the contract to indicate whatever his new responsibilities will be.
So nothing about how we went into half time with a deserved 2-0 lead. We only won because they gifted us a goal. Interesting.
Oh so you're one of those guys. Gotcha. Assume you are talking about Amad being ignored all season? It's not like he was injured until Jan and had to get match fit or anything. He was ignored all season alright.
The moaning by some people is genuinely hilarious. Truly lost the plot over a manager staying.
He needs a massive summer.
New CF, DM, CB, LB and RB are a must.
Should be doable!
New CF, DM, CB, LB and RB are a must.
Should be doable!
I hope some people take time to reflect on their own thought processes and supporting of this club after this decision. If you're so aghast at what has happened, you have been influenced by the media too much. We know that there is a load of nonsense posted every year and yet so many people continue to swallow it. Stop believing everything you read, wait until something is on the BBC and you'll be fine.
Woke up to the news and I must admit I’m disappointed. We finished 8th. Eight. I thought that Ineos would be more ambitious than this but I suppose I’ll have to wait and see.
Dithering management does no one any good, they should have backed him as soon as the cup final was over instead of all this speculation. New employees will think twice before joining Jimmy's Brexit Band (Southgate lurking)
But youl follow up on posts from Simon Jordan, checks out.
Another year of shit football. Great.
Correct decision. You sense he has to hit the ground running though and I hope INEOS have been very specific in what they demand from him. A clear identity has to emerge, much more possession and control of games and Onana cannot continue to be peppered with 25 shots a game. Oh, and the medical department needs an overhaul - we have players missing entire seasons, not just odd games.
I m ETH out. However, I can see why Ineos would give him another year. Their structure is not in place yet, so it may be better for the long term to burn another season with ETH.
although I wanted him out, I don’t think everybody is unhappy. The players always seemed to work hard for him last season and seemed to appreciate him. The staff seemed to really like him as well.
Absolute joke, so Sir Jim is being the tough guy sacking back office staff on £22k a year but hasn’t got the bottle to sack this clown ?
I’ve been a season ticket holder for 26 years and this is comfortably the worst coached team we’ve ever had . . .
I’ve been a season ticket holder for 26 years and this is comfortably the worst coached team we’ve ever had . . .
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