Players also say they aren't. They aren't all blind yes men and can listen to their body.Well if returning players kept getting reinjured could he not add a week to even two to the return schedule the medical team had been advising?
Players will quite often say they are fit and ready even when they are not. As was the case with Shaw.
I've replied to another post of yours.Well apparently they gave him shit advice on multiple occasions. Which lead to more than one player getting injured or aggrevating injuries as they weren't ready to play yet.
At what point should he at least consider that they were giving him shit advice? How many times would it need to happen before you think it would be reasonabe for him to question the advice?
I've asked people to consider the possibility that a manager can choose not to follow advice.
Would you be okay with him not following the advice and actually rushing back players earlier than advised then? Cause there might be cases where the player is actually available but the medical staff has advised he isn't as we have now established their advice is shit. Is that what we want?
Players also say they aren't. They aren't all blind yes men and can listen to their body.
There was a week between the Villa game and the Luton game.
Yeah I'm not understanding this narrative.I've replied to another post of yours.
If we say it's okay for the manager to ignore medical staffs advice that would be a dangerous precedent for us to set.
My opinion is that the club don't want ETH and are looking to upgrade on him. But, after exploring options, they haven't found anybody who fits the bill of being a clear upgrade, or at least the 'right' choice.
I think we'll end up staying with ETH, but only until the right manager is available, and then he'll be replaced.
The much easier option is if they can find a way of it working with ETH. That is in everyone's interests.
If he's allowed to continue then the standards have truly fallen
I've replied to another post of yours.
If we say it's okay for the manager to ignore medical staffs advice that would be a dangerous precedent for us to set.
I mean it's possible they had some people they thought may be upgrades so spoke to them. But if they weren't available now. Be could conceivable be kept on because there's no point in sacking someone if you think the remaining alternatives are worse.He's absolutely sacked. How do you speak to managers during a supposed "review" if you're keeping him on? What's happened is, the owners thought he was losing that final, so planned on sacking him and he's publicly put a spanner in their plans. Now they look the bad guys by making a decision they clearly want to make.
It's not in Ten Hag's best interest though is it? What's the point continuing, knowing your boss is just waiting to sack you, what kind of effort is he going to put in with that in the back of his mind? He'll be at the mercy of the media, and the club has shown him no support at all.
What if he's offered a good job and simply walks, while none of these potential managers are available?
This situation has been managed terribly by the new executives, and if the end result is Southgate they will lose the majority of the fans.
No but you said he should ignore their advice based on what happened after he had followed their advice. Every manager wants their best players available which gives them best chance of winning games. The finger should be pointed at the medical staff for their advice rather than the manager for following their advice and also the player himself giving the green light.No where have I suggested he should rush players back from injury before they are ready.
He's absolutely sacked. How do you speak to managers during a supposed "review" if you're keeping him on? What's happened is, the owners thought he was losing that final, so planned on sacking him and he's publicly put a spanner in their plans. Now they look the bad guys by making a decision they clearly want to make.
Nothing to suggest Southgate has any chance at all. None.It’s Southgate post-Euros isn’t it. We’re fecked.
No but you said he should ignore their advice based on what happened after he had followed their advice. Every manager wants their best players available which gives them best chance of winning games.
The finger should be pointed at the medical staff for their advice rather than the manager for following their advice and also the player himself giving the green light.
But there was a week between two games, he obviously trained, and he consulted the player too after the medical team gave the green light.Just like to point out I never actually used the word ignore, you have though multiple times now. I simply posed the question could Ten Hag not take a more conservative approach to reintroducing players who are returning from injury. If as has been claimed the medical team gave him bad advice and the players on multiple occasions were not actually ready.
That is the exact opposite of trying to rush players back form injury before they're ready.
So everyone is partly at fault except for Ten Hag. Interesting.
Shaw himself seems to think everyone involved in the decision was at fault.
Just like to point out I never actually used the word ignore, you have though multiple times now. I simply posed the question could Ten Hag not take a more conservative approach to reintroducing players who are returning from injury. If as has been claimed the medical team gave him bad advice on multiple occasions and the players were not actually ready to return.
You did the say the above. The opposite of that would be ignoring them, so yea if you want him to be conservative, you are asking him to go against whatever the medical staff and the player himself have said to him.Should Ten Hag have kept following their advice?
There's a reason the medical staff have been consulted and there's a reason he also asked the player as they know better about their bodies than the manager. He's a manager, his job is to win games. So he will pick his best players when they are available. This is true of literally every manager out there. Why else would Southgate take an injured Shaw to the Euros if he hasn't been assured by his medical staff that he would be fit to play? So yea, if Shaw gets injured again at the Euros, the blame should be placed at the player and also the national team's medical staff for assuring that he would be fit to take a part in the competition.So everyone is partly at fault except for Ten Hag. Interesting.
Southgate is what you're hinting?Ratcliffe wont even address a question about ETH but is meeting Tuchel in Monaco and telling him he's not their preferred candidate.
I mean could it get any clearer without the official announcement
Southgate is what you're hinting?
Southgate wasn't mentioned in today's Times article.So, it's either the shitter Pochettino or Gareth Southgate. A sidegrade at best and a definite downgrade. Lovely stuff...
Death by fire, drowning or suffocationIt's either holding out for Southgate or they're invested in the idea of hiring RdZ/Poch.
They all fit the "head coach" not manager specification.
I was in favour of Tuchel and I suspect him not being available is because either we've taken too long or we're not interested in him. This guy was publicly crying out to come back to the PL.
I wouldn't be mad at Poch getting appointed but anyone else and I'd question the rationale. It feels like we will have no choice to keep ETH. It's not my preferred option but the lack of perceived confidence in him makes me concerned too.
My opinion is that the club don't want ETH and are looking to upgrade on him. But, after exploring options, they haven't found anybody who fits the bill of being a clear upgrade, or at least the 'right' choice.
I think we'll end up staying with ETH, but only until the right manager is available, and then he'll be replaced.
The much easier option is if they can find a way of it working with ETH. That is in everyone's interests.
Southgate wasn't mentioned in today's Times article.
I believe INEOS have control of the football operations. Perhaps some discussion would be required in terms of the financials but they would have surely hashed this all out already.Does anyone know the process that must be followed before we can sack TH? Is this solely an INEOS matter or is Joel Glazer an integral part of the process? I can't imagine the Glazers being sidelined for a decision of this magnitude.
After seeing what has happened with players that he knew, recommended and selected, I dread to see what he would do with players selected and bought by others.The pro-Hag crowd on caf would concoct 6,000 excuses when the thrashings start again. Oh this one was too short, the other one too lanky, that player isn't technical, this other one is too technical,the new recruits have made the core too British, this one doesn't understand the manager and doesn't follow instructions, this one doesn't smile when substituted which suggests he is indisciplined and insolent, this one smiles too much and affects the concentration of 'poor' Ten Hag..and so on.I am slightly curious at how ETH would do with a full season under the new management of the club. It's interesting to see which players they may be targeting.
I prefer death by snu snu.Death by fire, drowning or suffocation
But there was a week between two games, he obviously trained, and he consulted the player too after the medical team gave the green light.
How conservative do you need the man to be?
This was half way through the season, before they fecked up the Casemiro hamstring injury if I recall. Moreover, my point stands - Shaw trained. He consulted with Shaw as well as the medical team.In the case of Shaw I believe he only trained the day before the match.
Well if the medical team as you say gave him bad advice on multiple occasions that lead to injuries recurring. Then at some point it might have been beneficial for Ten Hag to start taking a much more cautious approach to reintroducing players back into the team.
You did the say the above. The opposite of that would be ignoring them, so yea if you want him to be conservative, you are asking him to go against whatever the medical staff and the player himself have said to him.
There's a reason the medical staff have been consulted and there's a reason he also asked the player as they know better about their bodies than the manager. He's a manager, his job is to win games. So he will pick his best players when they are available. This is true of literally every manager out there. Why else would Southgate take an injured Shaw to the Euros if he hasn't been assured by his medical staff that he would be fit to play? So yea, if Shaw gets injured again at the Euros, the blame should be placed at the player and also the national team's medical staff for assuring that he would be fit to take a part in the competition.
