Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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De Zerbi
Longshot IMO
Probably what happened. Don't want people out in the world knowing that you were rejected by a club who is in such a disarray as us.
Poch or De Zerbi it is then, as they very clearly don't want to keep Ten Hag.
I won't even consider Southgate as an option.
I won't even consider Southgate as an option.
Yeah I think we got ahead of ourselves with that reported meeting. United have most likely held face to face talks to with a number of candidates.
Going by the shortlist reported by the Times a couple of weeks ago, it's down to Poch or Frank.
It's not exactly on him no, all i've said is it's possible that Ten Hag is at least partly to blame if he kept following bad advice over and over again. Do you think he bears any responsibility?
Do you think he could have started taking a more conservative approach to reintroducing players after injury?
Erm Fletcher, Murtough, someone else - take your pick. I'd imagine someone up the hierarchy employs the head of department, who would then be responsible for hiring the department staff.
I think its obvious they have been poor, and from what I have read they are actively addressing it. Starting with the guy from Arsenal.
People are answering them though. What you are wanting is just unreasonable and unrealistic- just so you can blaim EtH. Embarrassed because no matter how many people highlight to you its a ridiculous suggestion, you still persist.
EtH is not going to ignore people who have medical degrees. Period. If they say the player is fit and the player says he is fit then EtH has no reason not to play the player, especially in left back this season.
Only appointment that i would have considered as upgrade is not available anymore.
Dam I fogot about Frank.
De Zerbi must surely have been considered at some point aswell.
Would you be okay with him not following the advice and actually rushing back players earlier than advised then? Cause there might be cases where the player is actually available but the medical staff has advised he isn't as we have now established their advice is shit. Is that what we want?
Tuchel vs Ten Hag, I could understand the discussion.
Pochettino, Frank or Southgate shouldn't even be near the conversation. Just stick with Ten Hag and if we're not doing well by autumn, revisit tuchel, or see who else is available.
Pochettino, Frank or Southgate shouldn't even be near the conversation. Just stick with Ten Hag and if we're not doing well by autumn, revisit tuchel, or see who else is available.
Managers will be obligated to trust their medical staff even if they have underperfomed, because they can't exactly go out and revamp their backroom mid season.
On hindsight of course I do think he could have managed Shaw better, becsuse Shaw wasn't fit. But Shaw himself said he's fine to play and the medical staff suggested the same. So in that moment I don't think there's any blame in the manager taking both sides views, having a green light and then deciding ok, il play him.
It is clear ETH is not their preferred choice. Lets say it was Tuchel now they will go for Plan B
If it's obvious to you from outside the club with limited information. Wouldn't it have also been obvious to someone working inside the club?
Yes, it is. But they can't overhaul this mid season. They've already started with changes now.
Honestly thought it was an attempt to wind up the Ten Hag acolytes
I agree that far too much stock is being placed on that one match for Ten Hag. Some definitely flip-flopped off the back of the FA Cup win, but a sizeable amount of United fans already wanted him to stay. Southgate won't be afforded that same benefit of the doubt because there's a lot of opposition to his appointment.
Well apparently they gave him shit advice on multiple occasions. Which lead to more than one player getting injured or aggrevating injuries as they weren't ready to play yet.
At what point should he at least consider that they were giving him shit advice? How many times would it need to happen before you think it would be reasonabe for him to question the advice?
Is this just the latest round of guesswork by the media? How ETH was definitely going to be sacked right after the final? Then by the end of the week? Then the following Monday? And then the end of that week?
I still refuse to believe a manager who finished 8th with a negative goal difference will still be managing this football club next seasonIt’s over. He’s staying
So that’s why it’s taking so long. We were busy getting rejected by Tuchel.
Eww no
Am I being too elaborate to think that this past two-week review where Ratcliffe sounded out various other potential candidates could have been used to identify issues with the squad and how these different candidates would have chosen to address them to inform our own planning?
It just seems weird that any time there has been concrete reporting that we have met with a certain manager (Tuchel, McKenna), within an hour, it has turned out that they are not getting the job. Why? All I can think of is that the ownership have told them they aren't getting it.
It just seems weird that any time there has been concrete reporting that we have met with a certain manager (Tuchel, McKenna), within an hour, it has turned out that they are not getting the job. Why? All I can think of is that the ownership have told them they aren't getting it.
What United need is a manager whose greatest achievement is losing a cup final.
Brill.
We don't have a choice now given candidates availabile. I don't want another season being overseen by ETH under any circumstances.
He only had 2 weeks off? Poor guy.
With Tuchel out the running I wouldn’t be against us going after De Zerbi, still not convinced by him but he’s a more interesting pick than Poch.
The Ten Hag out crew deserves Southgate tbh.
If he's allowed to continue then the standards have truly fallen
Yes, yes we've covered that of course that isn't practical.
But you don't think it's within his power to have started taking a more conservative approach to reintroducing players after injury?
Especially if after as you say the medical team were way too hasty on multiple occasions in declaring a player fit to return when they actually were not.
So in the space of an hour its hopes up/hopes dashed. (Depending on point of view obviously).
Tuchels interview must have been really bad to say he hasnt been offered the role or else our offer was abysmal.
I dont want to believe the Southgate rumours personally so looks like hes staying.
Tuchels interview must have been really bad to say he hasnt been offered the role or else our offer was abysmal.
I dont want to believe the Southgate rumours personally so looks like hes staying.
How conservative does he need to get? He got a green light from the player too when he checked in. It's just nit picking at this stage. I can totally understand if he twisted a players arm to play or do what Ole did and oblige them to play through painkillers, but he didn't.
Ratcliffe meets tuchel in Monte Carlo .
Where are the 'best in class' guys ? Were they not involved .
Tuchel not interested .
Hold on a minute , he was really interested before he wasn't interested . The plot thickens.
These journos are seriously doing some heavy lifting here .
Where are the 'best in class' guys ? Were they not involved .
Tuchel not interested .
Hold on a minute , he was really interested before he wasn't interested . The plot thickens.
These journos are seriously doing some heavy lifting here .
Ten Hag stays! like he should have done anyways.
How can he possibly be staying now if they have been holding face to face meetings with other managers? Why would he even want to stay at the club if thats the case?
Or, he genuinely does just want a break from football so has declined the offer at this time.
He's absolutely sacked. How do you speak to managers during a supposed "review" if you're keeping him on? What's happened is, the owners thought he was losing that final, so planned on sacking him and he's publicly put a spanner in their plans. Now they look the bad guys by making a decision they clearly want to make.
Well if returning players kept getting reinjured could he not add a week to even two to the return schedule the medical team had been advising?
Players will quite often say they are fit and ready even when they are not. As was the case with Shaw.
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