I have the opposite view, unfortunately. A quick announcement would have definitely meant he’s staying, if that was the decision. By dragging this out it is undermining EtH, even if they then decide he’s staying. The message from all of this must surely mean they (whoever ‘they’ are) are either undecided, or not confident enough in him to lead our club forward.
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"We'd fire you but there's not much on the market we truly feel can guide United to the top. And we kinda like Southgate but he's not going anywhere yet. So, congrats, you're retained for another year!"
It's possible he already knows their decision one way or the other.
Ridiculous. There’s also 2 sides to this ETH must be fuming not knowing if he’s got a job or not and the club are talking to other managers regarding his job
Turning into a shambles
My guess with INEOS' M.O., they are just trying to work out how they can sack him and pay him as little as possible in compensation. They probably wanted him to lose the final as it would have made it really easy and cheaper.
Great to know our new management is just as dithery and indecisive as the old management
I've been visiting this forum for many years, around 15 maybe, and quite often but I haven't felt the need to register or comment much until now. However, I've recently registered because I felt compelled to respond.
Firstly, I noticed a post that almost word-for-word reflects my views on the matter. This post, from a newbie, his first, deserves support and highlighting, maybe a reminder as well.
After years of suffering, we are on the threshold of a potentially better tomorrow. I strongly believe that, could write many many reasons which would support this idea from my perspective and why I believe that, but now its not about me. Anyway, I strongly believe that firing EtH at this stage would not only suggest that the new management is no better than the previous one, but it would also significantly hurt the transformation process in its most important and tricky part. Furthermore, it could significantly harm those fantastic young players whom EtH has given opportunities to and who, despite their young age, are already leaders of the team.
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@Judas thoughts on your beloved INEOS?
Probably announce it after the UCL final when people don’t have time to be annoyed. Especially if Dortmund pull off a United.
Huh? Just because I'm not pounding my fists on the floor and having a tantrum over them, doesn't mean I love them. I'm just a wee bit more balanced.
I've also no idea what's happened over the last 8 hours as I've just woken up!
How about this .. let him have another season and let him know there’s no guarantee we will offer you a new deal until the end of the season (if you make it that far ) 
I don't really know what's taking so long at this point. It's not a very decent backing if its taking so long, if he's being replaced I hope the new manager is very much lined up, not that I believe that's happening anymore, think its clear Ten Hag is safe. It's being handled weirdly.
Great post! Good to have some more level headed fans around!
I do get that people are restless. The people implicated are probably much more restless. However I don’t really understand what people’s ideal processes would look like. To me, it would make sense if I’m a newcomer at a club, asked to make a big decision like this, that I would have as thorough as possible foundation to make a good decision. To me that would entail more than watching the games and training sessions and reading the papers and redcaf. I would want to have thorough reviews of the season, including from all the players and all the coaches, before I’d make such a decision. Would I conduct those interviews during the season, or before the cup final? Probably not. I’d wait until after the season. Do a thorugh review with everyone before they are let on holiday, and make a decision as quick as possible based on the total of impressions. If I’m making the decision as part of a team of three people where two are supposed not to work for the club yet, I would probably either postpone the decision for a year or take the time to smuggle them through the review, probably taking a little more time.
Would anybody here do it differently?
I for one sure hope Jim Ratcliffe doesn’t make the decision himself based on his How-I-Became-a-Chemicals-Billionaire gut feeling and Dave Brailsfords cycling opinions.
Long enough; did read. (Well written)
That just opens up the possibility that even if next season goes fantastically (I know that's stretching the limits of believability, but stay with me), he gets a better offer and buggers off to Madrid or Barca or Bayern or somewhere. Can't imagine the new management would put themselves in a position to potentially look so foolish. For me it has to be either back him fully or sack him now. I'm tired of this whole thing at this point. If it drags on much longer it's going to end up with another season flushed down the toilet before it's even started, and another year of excuses about how success was impossible due to the behind the scenes turmoil.How about this .. let him have another season and let him know there’s no guarantee we will offer you a new deal until the end of the season (if you make it that far )
With how Ineos have treated him, if they decide to keep him without extending his deal, he will leave the second he gets a half decent offer from anywhere.
He had his chance at Bayern. They moved on. He's not getting a better and bigger club than United anytime soon.
He probably when you see the likes of Kompany getting a top job, and Poch still likely to find work again at a big club.
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So this idea that we're trigger happy with managers really couldn't be further from the truth. Other than maybe Arsenal, we've given managers more time to prove themselves than any other top club in the world would.
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When you' as a club have got a group of players , you set a bar for them , wether you are sheff United or Real Madrid .
To compete at the top you need the right players .Madrid's , bayerns always have the top players . If you've got them and you flounder , the manager is at risk
No issue with that , so he should be .We haven't got them , it'll take time to get them ( Arteta , not missed a window )
Then add into the mix that you've also got to deliver a new possession based pleasing playing style with a squad barely half suited to it and get results / compete
It's a lot to ask in 2 years . Never mind post Saf , no manager has ever done that here .
Is anybody else asking this of a manager ? I'd be interested to know .
So this idea that we're trigger happy with managers really couldn't be further from the truth. Other than maybe Arsenal, we've given managers more time to prove themselves than any other top club in the world would.
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When you' as a club have got a group of players , you set a bar for them , wether you are sheff United or Real Madrid .
To compete at the top you need the right players .Madrid's , bayerns always have the top players . If you've got them and you flounder , the manager is at risk
No issue with that , so he should be .We haven't got them , it'll take time to get them ( Arteta , not missed a window )
Then add into the mix that you've also got to deliver a new possession based pleasing playing style with a squad barely half suited to it and get results / compete
It's a lot to ask in 2 years . Never mind post Saf , no manager has ever done that here .
Is anybody else asking this of a manager ? I'd be interested to know .
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I get you, but in no business does the hierarchy over see the management level - (micro management) it breeds all types of problems.
I work for a global company, the structure is insane when you first look at it, but the escalation paths are brilliant. My wife however works for a company (global) she has zero structure but looking from the outside you'd never know.
Which bring me onto the word culture, I've also been in about 3 take overs. I've seen top (Senior level), bottom and hight (CEO) sweeps. I hate the ones that read a book and think firing someone on the frist day means something (to the yanks this is normal - brown boxing) it's not cool or helpful.
Hopefully these lot are steady, because creating a culture takes time, when was the last time a player spoke out? Dropped bombs? Even PRashford? Zero. They know. Eth will have their backs.
It seems that Ten Hag is the first big decision our management can not agree upon. Came sooner than I expected
I mean if he's kept here and somehow turns it around. He wont stick around.
Fair play, I've read this site since 2004/5 back then you couldn't register on a hotmail account. Guess it all changed now - they'll let any muppet in, like me..
Yeah, I wish you had too.
Could be they are negotiating with a manager in secret, or doing their review. Who knows.
If you feel like the word head coach makes you feel better then fine.
It's nothing to do with feelings mate to be fair. The position Ten Hag or anyone else will have under Ineos going forward will be vastly different to the one Moyes, Jose, Louis, Ole and Ten Hag have had over the last 11 years.
Personally I'm glad to see it, as the Glazers have been trying to plug someone in hoping they can replace SAF who was a coach, a DOF and a general manager all rolled into one. But there isn't another Alex Ferguson.
The craziest thing is that Phelan even answered it diplomatically. Initially he even attempted to dodge the question
Away from the absolutely disgusting treatment of him by the board and media, Ten Hag really baffles me. Some of our games, usually when Martinez plays, contain parts like the first halves against Spurs (A), Wolves (A) and the cup final where our performance is absolutely perfect on and off the ball. As in, there’s no real way to improve on them aside from finishing. However, there are others, including, and this is what makes it really baffling, the other games against the exact same three clubs this season where we look no better than Luton with our negative hoofball tactics.
I’d keep him though. It’s absolutely impossible for me to want him to be sacked after the day out he gave me at Wembley, and the fact that there have been many positive signs over the two years that he’s been here. This comes with the caveat that transfer power has to be shifted to the higher ups like Ashworth (shhh), Wilcox and Berrada though, because even Ten Hag’s most ardent supporter can’t disagree that his recruitment with the exception of Martinez has been pretty shocking and amateurish with the Eredivisie links on the whole.
I’d keep him though. It’s absolutely impossible for me to want him to be sacked after the day out he gave me at Wembley, and the fact that there have been many positive signs over the two years that he’s been here. This comes with the caveat that transfer power has to be shifted to the higher ups like Ashworth (shhh), Wilcox and Berrada though, because even Ten Hag’s most ardent supporter can’t disagree that his recruitment with the exception of Martinez has been pretty shocking and amateurish with the Eredivisie links on the whole.
I feel like this thread is essentially a movie version of Black Mirror. The poll solidifies that.
Logic will always win, its about framing it.
Logic: Fire Eth if by Christmas not in the top three, use the time to find the manager/coach we need, let that coach/manager see the football we play, fire him for cheaper, let Eth do his thing.
By the way I think he'll turn it a round. hopefully dramatically - he needs 4/5 players.
We should follow the NBA, there will be an interview conducted with everyone including the players to get a sense what went wrong in the season, whether is it tactics or head coach or not having the right talent in the team before everyone goes for holiday. It seems weird that decisions are not made and everyone happily goes on vacation and then receive news that they are sack after review. United to interview every players, every coaches to get a perspective on how they feel about the squad, manager, tactics, training and etc. Management can use those feedback to decide if we should keep the manager or remove certain "star" player, they will also know which position to prioritize.
Would love to be a fly on the wall inside Carrington if Dortmund win and ETH stays to see the interaction between a freshly CL winning Sancho and him
Given how bad we've been for 16 months you'd think Ineos would have considered the idea of sacking him a few months back.
Why would they start the Manager search now when they should have already been doing it. If they have just started the search now then we're doomed to be as shit as ever.
Yeah it all feels very Woodward / Murtough round two to me. The leaks before the FA cup final, the lack of clarity on this issue even after the season is done, Ratcliffe's seeming snub in his comments, non commital language from all the staff / players leading to more speculation (maybe they were coached to say it) - it doesn't look good.
I'd like him gone ideally for Tuchel but I think he's a decent enough coach who can get us 4th - 6th next season and a cup run in the Euros depending on how things go injury / signing wise.
Actually this is a decent shout. They might have wanted to sack him but he got Europe and the FA cup so they'd probably have to pay him extra to do it and they're noodling about a few extra M.
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And that’s just a normal season. If there is a whole new team on their way in responsible for setting a whole new direction for the club, you’d expect the process to be a bit more thorough even, wouldn’t you - at least if there are serious question marks to answer. By now it’s gone four days since the players, coaches and all where involved in a cup final win. Probably none of the interviews should be conducted the first 48 hours after such an emotional rollercoaster, certainly if you want some soberheaded evaluations to go by. How anyone would expect then a decision by this week is a bit beyond me. Let alone those who has assumed it to be taken before the final even. If Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox had been part of last summers planning and in house all season I would understand it if they could cut corners with a descision. How it is now, it would just seem irresponsible.
Not a good start INEOS. You’ve had since March realistically to review the situation. They are fumbling. Stay or go now, they look a bit shit so far.
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