Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Guestimating things that should be obvious to everyone, yeh.

Ratcliffe wont be giving a strong opinion, that's what he employs Brailsford, Blanc and then Wilcox for. Berrada will probably be similar because he's a commercial guy.

If Brailsford is playing devil's advocate that probably means he's critiquing both sides and being something of an arbiter. So there has to be significant people on the other side of the argument. And let's not forget the decision to sack him was probably already made weeks ago with input from everyone.

Ten Hag and Ashworth/Wilcox will not get on well together. If he stays. I guarantee it. He already refused to work with Rangnick. He puts control of transfers in his contracts. He wont get on well with football people telling him what to do unless he's already buddies with them. It was easy with Murtough because Murtough did everything Ten Hag asked of him, their working relationship was backwards.

Whether it's Southgate or McKenna I think Ashworth will be pushing an English head coach who will be easy to manage and happy to focus on coaching.
You have literally just gone out and made shit up. Astounding.
 
That’s almost sounding as though he thinks he overachieved this season in reaching 8th!
I think the general perception, for him and most of his supporters, is it was in line with expectations with Martinez and Shaw missing.
 
No I think Utrecht he had a stint that was very good by their standards but not top 3.

They did actually 5th and 4th place finishes. Qualifying for the EL in both his full seasons there.
 
That’s how we ended up with Antony
Doesn’t matter. You need to support him and get him whatever he needs or else you are not giving him a chance to succeed. Even if you are underwhelmed by some of the signings.
 
Listen it's not my opinion, but what they were saying is that there was a considerable fall off in his last season in terms of performances, and that they scraped over the line by 2 points. PSV just had 1 loss and +90 GD, with a worse team in Eredivisie. Perhaps we should employ Bosz?
A season like that is a fall off? Nah man, look at how Ajax is doing since Ten Hag left.

Bosz? I’m not sure he can do it outside of Holland based on his adventures.
 
Taking their time? What an absolute joke when they've taken far too long as it is.
I agree

Stay or Go, taking this long to make their decision is not a good look either way IMO

Even if they keep him, it’ll show that they don’t have much confidence in him. No idea why they’re taking this long.

With no timeframe for a decision either, it’s making me wonder if they literally are waiting for Berrada to start.
 
They have to be putting days between now and the FA cup win purely for optics.

Waiting this long to keep really undermines any confidence left
 
We still haven't decided on ETH - we sitll haven't decided on Greenwood - but at least we have decided that our workers should not work from home.

Clearly it's not only ETH who thinks of this as a slow process - our new owners do the same. :)
 
They have to be putting days between now and the FA cup win purely for optics.

Waiting this long to keep really undermines any confidence left

No such this as waiting to keep. He is under contract, the default is he is staying.
 
They have to be putting days between now and the FA cup win purely for optics.

Waiting this long to keep really undermines any confidence left
Yeah taking 2 weeks after the FA Cup final to decide we want to keep him screams that we weren't not all that convinced in him. On the other if we sack him, potential targets may be put off or get lured elsewhere.

They have had 2 season's of data (aside from the FA Cup final) for 2 weeks. I don't see how it's in anyone's best interest to delay it too long.
 
We're delaying because we need to wait for Southgate.
 
Jeez that was uncalled for "green laughing emoji

Anyway I'm also concerned about the choice of the new manager dragging as well and unless our transfer strategy decides to pursue our targets without the said managers input we could lose some precious time in acquiring our desired targets.

But maybe I'm just too jaded from all the club sale saga so hopefully it all ends well.

We all have our opinions on when enough time has passed by before the accusation of dragging on sticks. I say the middle of next week, others might say it’s already dragging on. I doubt anyone would agree that this should go on beyond next weekend. This will be done soon.
 
A season like that is a fall off? Nah man, look at how Ajax is doing since Ten Hag left.

Bosz? I’m not sure he can do it outside of Holland based on his adventures.

Just what these guys that actually watched him every week were saying. Ajax fall off goes much, much deeper than just ETH.

Perhaps another ex Ajax manager is finding he can't replicate it elsewhere too...

This is the same Bosz who started the rebuild at Ajax, after a few years off the map. He also took them to an EL final, something Ten Hag couldn't replicate after getting knocked out of the CL. And now he's probably had a better league season with PSV than ETH managed at Ajax.
 
The main criticism Ajax supporters had were the football getting worse and the results were squeezed out at end of the 21/22 season, him playing Kudus way too little even when fit. Also going out of the CL against Benfica unnecessarily after 6 wins in the group stage was mostly because of his tactics. In a way we had gotten a little spoiled but there was no denying it got a lot worse after the winter break that season.
I remember the games against Benfica; they were very difficult to play against, they are tactically very good.

It is not a shame to go out in two close games against a good opponent. Especially not after winning every group game.

There was a dip in performances but look, they still won the league so what is the problem?
 
But typically there isn't such a public 'review period' of the incumbent manager that lasts so long.

A public review, or statements he was 100% sacked which came from one or two people and was just copy and pasted for clicks and reads. Of which most of those journos have since back tracked and changed their tone and wording.

If EtH stays, then it looks quiet simply like it was a storm in a teacup caused by the british press - not uncommon really. Or at least thats how it will be portrayed.

If he is sacked then thats when it actually looks bad in Ineos, because actually the press was right but they didn't have the neck to do it as planned, so wanted to let water flow under the bridge first. They'll look like cowards.
 
Or dragging it out hoping he will quit for another job and save them from having to pay him off.
No chance that happens, ETH isn't stupid and it's not like Real Madrid are waiting until the CL final retire Ancelotti and bring in ETH.
 
No chance that happens, ETH isn't stupid and it's not like Real Madrid are waiting until the CL final retire Ancelotti and bring in ETH.
Although it wouldn’t be a complete shock if they get rid of him after the CL final. They seem to like doing that
 
No such this as waiting to keep. He is under contract, the default is he is staying.
Disagree. If they‘ve decided to keep that could have been announced last Sunday. I just don’t believe they are only now debating the decision, given the season we’ve had and the data that was available to them prior to the Cup Final. There may be a split amongst the decision makers (whoever they are) but this should have been ironed out weeks ago. The big message this is sending, to me, is they do not have unanimous confidence in EtH - or they would have announced he was here for next season already.
 
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