I'm concerned the longer it drags the less organised we'll be in the summer window, having clarity on who the manager will be will let us to plan for our priorities in the window according to his style.
Our of curiosity, how many times has Ten Hag finished outside top 3 in his managerial career?This I’m actually fine with. He’s being very honest in that his goal is to be a 5th - 6th placed team they can push for 4th if they get near perfect injury record and get their signings spot on. That will probably where he would want us to establish us long term, with a cup run here and there, so at least we know what we are looking at here in terms of realistic expectations.
Most of our fanbase would be completely fine with it, and it’s up to our new owners to determine whether it’s acceptable for them as well.
Right.This I’m actually fine with. He’s being very honest in that his goal is to be a 5th - 6th placed team they can push for 4th if they get near perfect injury record and get their signings spot on. That will probably where he would want us to establish us long term, with a cup run here and there, so at least we know what we are looking at here in terms of realistic expectations.
Most of our fanbase would be completely fine with it, and it’s up to our new owners to determine whether it’s acceptable for them as well.
The nonsense that gets spouted. Manager who finishes top 3 in all seasons of coaching bar 1 suddenly is a seriel loser that always targets underperformance.Right.
Who is Jacobs?
I'm just amazed that people actually type this shit out (presumably) with a straight face.The nonsense that gets spouted. Manager who finishes top 3 in all seasons of coaching bar 1 suddenly is a seriel loser that always targets underperformance.
The mental gymnastics is real.
He really didn’t have 4-5 stinkers at all. Rashford was a brilliant goal threat last season but was nowhere near as consistent in his overall play. Martinez made us tick last season and that’s even more obvious now.Not really he wasn’t. Rashford was (insane to claim anyone other than him was our POTY last year), then probably Bruno and Casemiro, and then maybe you can have a talk about Martinez.
He only featured in 27 of 38 games last year too, and had at least 4-5 complete stinkers so to say he was our best, most consistent and most important player is well over the top.
Tbf it was a Talksport interview with Simon Jordan and Jim White so he was being asked a bunch of questions. The majority of his answers showed why he probably should not have been back at United under Ole...
All of his seasons at Utrecht and half of his two seasons at United.Our of curiosity, how many times has Ten Hag finished outside top 3 in his managerial career?
Thanks. So he's won leagues or finished runner up or top 3 in every season bar this one.All of his seasons at Utrecht and half of his two seasons at United.
He’s managed Ajax for most of his career, a team that has finished outside top 3 twice in the last 25 years, had not finished below 3rd since 2006 before this season.
Yet you did compare them and we know who won trophies at their respective clubs. Yes Pochettino did win a trophy at PSG I believe and Ajax is an easier club to manage than Spurs but it feels like it would be a sideways move. He didn’t even do a good job at Chelsea - would be just like us to get a manager on the wane.Yet Spurs beat Ajax in the semis of the CL in 2019.
Ajax gave away a 2 goal lead to lose 3-2.
Very difficult to judge Ten Hag at Ajax v Poch at Spurs. Two very different clubs in different leagues, with different expectations and relative resources.
City, Liverpool, Brentford I’m not even how you could possibly question he was very poor in, likewise Villa where we lost 3-1.He really didn’t have 4-5 stinkers at all. Rashford was a brilliant goal threat last season but was nowhere near as consistent in his overall play. Martinez made us tick last season and that’s even more obvious now.
Liverpool was the only really poor individual display for me and even then the whole team collapsed. Brentford was overblown and part of the initial thinking at the time that he was “too small and too weak to play in the prem”. Individually watch that back and he played well. I don’t think he dropped below a 7/10 all season bar that Liverpool game.City, Liverpool, Brentford I’m not even how you could possibly question he was very poor in, likewise Villa where we lost 3-1.
Thanks. So he's won leagues or finished runner up or top 3 in every season bar this one.
And you think his personal ambition and target going forward is top 6.
Thanks, checks out.
He played well in a game where we were 4-0 down at half time when he was taken off and he was directly responsible for at least two of the goals?Liverpool was the only really poor individual display for me and even then the whole team collapsed. Brentford was overblown and part of the initial thinking at the time that he was “too small and too weak to play in the prem”. Individually watch that back and he played well. I don’t think he dropped below a 7/10 all season bar that Liverpool game.
He wasn’t a fault for two goals but fine. Clearly not going to agree on this. That’s fine, I just hope he plays consistently because he’s easily the best CB I’ve seen at Utd since Rio/vidic.He played well in a game where we were 4-0 down at half time when he was taken off and he was directly responsible for at least two of the goals?
I didn’t even check that, thanks.Also both his seasons as manager of Bayern II. He managed two fifth place finishes in the Regionalliga (fourth tier, semi-professional) with the reserves of the biggest club in Germany.
Was wrong, sorry, he finished 1st and 2nd there... the table I checked was sorted for transfer value, so that was actually good.I didn’t even check that, thanks.
So basically he has finished below top 3 in about half his seasons as a professional manager.
It's not correct. He won the league in his first season, but failed in the promotion playoffs.I didn’t even check that, thanks.
So basically he has finished below top 3 in about half his seasons as a professional manager.
Ah okay. As I said, I didn’t check that. Don’t pay much attention to that.Was wrong, sorry, he finished 1st and 2nd there... the table I checked was sorted for transfer value, so that was actually good.
But he failed the promotion playoffs.
Do you understand the point though. Insinuating his ambition is top 6 when he's effectively over performed expectation in most his years of management is hugely far fetched.Ah okay. As I said, I didn’t check that. Don’t pay much attention to that.
Anyway, he did finish below top 3 at Utrecht - which is of course fine because they are well below the big 3 and AZ in Dutch league in terms of resources.
He wouldn’t have been able to finish below 3rd with Ajax, don’t think any manager would have been able to do that with them at the time.
I misremembered their second, less of his fault, he was definitely at fault for the third and could have done better for 4th (badly positioned). Definitely did not ‘play very well’ or ‘had at least 7/10 performance’, as evidenced by him being taken off at half time.He wasn’t a fault for two goals but fine. Clearly not going to agree on this. That’s fine, I just hope he plays consistently because he’s easily the best CB I’ve seen at Utd since Rio/vidic.
Very difficult to judge Ten Hag at Ajax v Poch at Spurs. Two very different clubs in different leagues, with different expectations and relative resources.
What do you think the expectations were at Ajax?Do you understand the point though. Insinuating his ambition is top 6 when he's effectively over performed expectation in most his years of management is hugely far fetched.
https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/If someone was a good manager 10 years ago, that does not mean he is a good manager now... Jose, Conte are all examples.
I mean he literally got beat by kids in the League cup this season as well.
He had the most injuries than any team? I think you need to check that. Lets also not forget he had a bigger and better squad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o
Where he had Lavia and Lesley missing all season he had £200m of talent to call upon in midfield in Caceido and Enzo.
Significant upgrade based on what? He got a team 7 years ago to a CL final?
Of course, unless there’s information passed behind the scenes to the manager it’s been shambles.Are the club making a bit of a bugger of this ?
And top 4 is reasonable given the squad quality.What do you think the expectations were at Ajax?
He himself said that if everyone is healthy our goal is top 4 next year (so with some injuries it should be lower).
So the football guy with pedigree at clubs wants to keep Ten Hag. The cyclist guy with a track record of changing too much too quickly at Nice wants to get rid.
Checks out.
Where are you getting Wilcox and Ashworth want him out? Ashworth isn't even at the club.That's not what playing devils advocate means.....
If Blanc wants him in, it means others want him out. That means Wilcox, and I think it's safe to assume Ashworth, want him out.
So the football people we actually employ vs the guy who's headed up Ineos sport and hasn't exactly been masterminding any success for them.
He has been here for way longer than 12 months already?more than 12 months
I think that there is no doubt that Ten Hag is ambitious and wants to win. Surely lack of ambition is no stick to beat him with.What do you think the expectations were at Ajax?
He himself said that if everyone is healthy our goal is top 4 next year (so with some injuries it should be lower).
Where are you getting Wilcox and Ashworth want him out? Ashworth isn't even at the club.
Is this more guesstimating? What is this actually based on?
Where are you getting Wilcox and Ashworth want him out? Ashworth isn't even at the club.
Is this more guesstimating? What is this actually based on?
So who does ?We’ll probably go into next season with either ETH or Pochettino, neither of who inspire any confidence in our future to be honest.
I think he’s quite realistic, and he also gives me the vibe of a manager that wants to protect his reputation and legacy (hence blaming of injuries, blaming players, citing lack of quality and toning down the expectations). Not necessarily a bad thing.I think that there is no doubt that Ten Hag is ambitious and wants to win. Surely lack of ambition is no stick to beat him with.
