Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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golden_blunder said:
Pre cup final 73% wanted him gone

post cup final it’s now 50/50 a swing of 23%

because of one match
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Football fans are predisposed to be hopeful and positive about their club.
Football is also tribal and a large proportion of the fan base of any club will follow the flock. The overly negative fans/posters have less to crow about now we won a trophy and have EL next season, so that slant on the topic will be less prominent.
 
Blood Mage said:
I refuse to believe that Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox would hire Southgate. Not even Woodward would have been that stupid. I won't believe it, because I don't want to.
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Ashworth has worked with Southgate before and thinks highly of him, and yes, Woodward was that stupid
 
Plant0x84 said:
Football fans are predisposed to be hopeful and positive about their club.
Football is also tribal and a large proportion of the fan base of any club will follow the flock. The overly negative fans/posters have less to crow about now we won a trophy and have EL next season, so that slant on the topic will be less prominent.
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Bro knows big words,good on you mate!

Blood Mage said:
If Southgate is the pick, feck it give ETH a 10 year contract.
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That will be our mantra this summer mate.
 
acid_fuji said:
I’m sorry but where exactly it was said that there was decision made to sack him? You’re basing this on the info from media outlets?
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Yes. And on common sense.
frostbite said:
If INEOS has decided to keep ETH for another year, there is no reason to keep this secret. This is not what is happening.

If INEOS has decided to sack him, then it makes sense to wait a bit, we just won a cup. And perhaps they also want to announce the new manager at the same time.

If INEOS hasn't decided yet, I'd be worried about INEOS!...
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Exactly.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Football fans are predisposed to be hopeful and positive about their club.
Football is also tribal and a large proportion of the fan base of any club will follow the flock. The overly negative fans/posters have less to crow about now we won a trophy and have EL next season, so that slant on the topic will be less prominent.
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Nothing should have changed. We've had 16 months of crap football. People are dismissing all of that because of one game of football. It's wild.
 
Blood Mage said:
If Southgate is the pick, feck it give ETH a 10 year contract.
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Agree 100%, and I want rid of EtH. If Brexit Jim and the Marginal Gains appoint Southgate I think we're in for another decade of hurt.

It's worth pointing out to some on here that, after the season we've just witnessed, I think its perfectly reasonable to doubt EtH and want him out. This doesn't mean I, or others, wanted us to lose the cup final as seems to be implied by some posters. If anything, I wish I shared the optimism that many now have, even before the cup win, that EtH will be a success.
 
RedSky said:
Nothing should have changed. We've had 16 months of crap football. People are dismissing all of that because of one game of football. It's wild.
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Winning a trophy is bigger than just the final. It’s also extra euphoric because it was vs City, and nobody really gave us a hope, especially with Hojlund on the bench and no Casemiro.
I think it’s key that Licha and Rafa were both playing too. Shows exactly what a stable base will do for the team. We’ve missed them both this season.
 
Plant0x84 said:
We’ve won two trophies in as many seasons. We've been in 3 finals. That is a validation of the work he is doing, in difficult circumstances.
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Sarni said:
We also lost more games than we did at any point in the last 30 years in one season. That is some winning mentality being instilled.

What happened this season is actually the opposite of what you are suggesting. Instead of being this massive, serial winners who treat every game as it’s a cup final, we actually only raised our performance for select few games and were horrible on average otherwise.
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I’m happy we won the FACup and the League Cup, but to go from 3rd to 8th with a negative goal difference isn’t progress. The fact that Oliver Glasner has done more to transform Palace in 8 weeks than Ten Hag has in 2 years is telling. Ten Hag is 54. He’s not a young Alex Ferguson who took Aberdeen to a league title and a European trophy. SAF was 45 when he started at United. Mourinho was 40 when he won the CL with Porto. Tuchel is 50 and has won Ligue 1 twice has a domestic treble, two CL finals, one CL title and a Bundesliga.

I think if Erik Ten Hag was the manager we need to challenge for league titles, we’d have seen it in his track record before coming to United and in the 24 months that he was here.
 
You're a sick man with sick thoughts if you want Southgate. Honestly if the fanbase doesn't really come together to support Ten Hag, when it's looking more and more like they actual do want the waistcoat wonder, there's no hope. In Haggy we must trust.
 
DSG said:
I’m happy we won the FACup and the League Cup, but to go from 3rd to 8th with a negative goal difference isn’t progress. The fact that Oliver Glasner has done more to transform Palace in 8 weeks than Ten Hag has in 2 years is telling. Ten Hag is 54. He’s not a young Alex Ferguson who took Aberdeen to a league title and a European trophy. SAF was 45 when he started at United. Mourinho was 40 when he won the CL with Porto. Tuchel is 50 and has won Ligue 1 twice has a domestic treble, two CL finals, one CL title and a Bundesliga.

I think if Erik Ten Hag was the manager we need to challenge for league titles, we’d have seen it in his track record before coming to United and in the 24 months that he was here.
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I don’t think 3rd last season was reflective of where the club is at. That was an overachievement and out of step with the season before. That isn’t to excuse this season but if he can come in and over achieve in his first season, I can excuse this season and hope for better next season. If it isn’t forthcoming then the consequences are inevitable and justified.
 
Judas said:
You're a sick man with sick thoughts if you want Southgate. Honestly if the fanbase doesn't really come together to support Ten Hag, when it's looking more and more like they actual do want the waistcoat wonder, there's no hope. In Haggy we must trust.
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It's keeping ETH now that will enable them to get Southgate.
 
Whether you are ETH in or ETH out, the facts are we finished 8th and won something. We want the same thing for United to be successful and not be laughed at by other fans. If we keep ETH, I think he has a short leash. I think he will have until Dec to prove that we are playing good football and having better results (which likely means we are not far off). If we are off pace, playing poorly and a massive injuries then we need to appoint a new manager in Jan 2025 or hire an assistant capable of taking over. If we decide to sack him, then we need to hire a seasoned pro who has experience in the Premier League and there are only 2 choices which are Potchettino or Tuchel, I think the new manager coming into the new league will struggle with the pace and physicality of the English league.
 
hobbers said:
I think we all need to take a breath and just savour the thought of 5 months of Ten Hag suicide ball followed by 3 years of admiring Southgate's waistcoat collection. While we play 5 at the back and eventually drop into the bottom half of the table for real.
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Why is everyone assuming that Southgate will be his replacement? It has been reported to be fair, but also with 4 or 5 other names. There’s a tiny chance it would be Southgate as he has the Euros…

After an 8th place finish, what are you worried about? We’ll finish 12th? We need to challenge for the league, hell, no, we need to win the league. I’m not interested in continuing with someone — Ten Hag — who has absolutely no ability to beat City, beat Arsenal, Liverpool, and everyone else to the title.

I just don’t see how the biggest club in England should be happy with a 2nd rate stadium and fecking cup wins where we have 25% possession.

The most depressing goal is something less than excellence. When you do this, failure means mediocrity, and for a club this size with this history, that is a fecking shame.
 
I don’t think it’s smart to send the signal that 8th and an FA-Cup win is acceptable standards for the club or the manager leading the club. I hope he’s gone for sure. There might be mitigating factors, of course, but I see far from enough of those to want him to continue.
 
Plant0x84 said:
I don’t think 3rd last season was reflective of where the club is at. That was an overachievement and out of step with the season before. That isn’t to excuse this season but if he can come in and over achieve in his first season, I can excuse this season and hope for better next season. If it isn’t forthcoming then the consequences are inevitable and justified.
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I appreciate your patience and fortitude. It’s ugly to fist pump and cheer for the sacking of a decent man. I feel bad for it. On the other hand, he’s compensated to the tune of 9m a year. And, if he’s sacked, he’ll get an additional 7.5m for sitting on a beach. So there’s that.

I guess I’m so unconvinced that he can win the league after the shitshow this season, I’m interested in seeing what a more accomplished manager could do (Tuchel, Poch, Zidane).
 
Godfather said:
The sudden change in the poll suggests exactly what I said. About 80% wanted the guy out and suddenly it's all good again and he can stay for another season? I don't get it. I also don't buy the lack of alternatives as a reason to keep him. Give Tuchel a shot.
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My thoughts too but think Erik stays now and Tuchel will have to find another job elsewhere
 
I voted keep him before the final and my vote wasn't based on the one game.
He needs time like Klopp and Arteta got. Remember Arsenal fans wanted him out at the start of his term.
I thought Ajax under Erik played very nice football so that is why I want him to stay.
 
DSG said:
I appreciate your patience and fortitude. It’s ugly to fist pump and cheer for the sacking of a decent man. I feel bad for it. On the other hand, he’s compensated to the tune of 9m a year. And, if he’s sacked, he’ll get an additional 7.5m for sitting on a beach. So there’s that.

I guess I’m so unconvinced that he can win the league after the shitshow this season, I’m interested in seeing what a more accomplished manager could do (Tuchel, Poch, Zidane).
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Well ypu can forget Zidane, he's not ever coming to the PL, Poch isn't exctly a winner is he so you're left with Tuchel who would be there 2 years and then be gone
 
Plant0x84 said:
I don’t think 3rd last season was reflective of where the club is at. That was an overachievement and out of step with the season before. That isn’t to excuse this season but if he can come in and over achieve in his first season, I can excuse this season and hope for better next season. If it isn’t forthcoming then the consequences are inevitable and justified.
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The data put us at 6th or so last season. People laughed at me when I said we didn't do enough to deserve 3rd and thought we could challenge for the title this year. Likewise this year the data has us bottom half (14th or so), not 8th, so the position is still us overperforming the stats. It's hard to say how much was because of injuries.

At the very least I hope whoever is making the decision has the wisdom to balance player feedback, the eye test, the injuries, the stats to come to a conclusion.
 
If he gets the gift of a lifetime and he gets to stay, Ineos must force him to have some sort of progressive football next season. If it's the same shit as it was this season, he should be gone by Christmas.
 
hobbers said:
Yeah it's more soundbite bollocks, like vibes and structure.

But also look at Ashworth's transfers at Newcastle. I dont know how much he had to do with Isak's signing, that was already in the works when he joined them. Other than that he's signed Botman and Tonali from abroad.

All his other signings were English - Targett, Livramento, Hall, Barnes, Gordon. Brexit FC. The kind of signings that would bankrupt us if we made them with the England+United taxes.

If we do end up hiring Southgate I will completely write off our chances under Ashworth.
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Please don't get me wrong, if we hired Southgate I'd be devastated but...just looking at your list:

Botman - good player
Tonali - good player, likes a flutter
Targett - crap
Livramento - really like him, very promising
Hall - ditto
Barnes - certainly been an effective PL player with Leicester
Gordon - developed into a really good player

Better record than our signings wouldn't you say?
 
Call me old fashioned but in a world that thinks the CL is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the Fa Cup has diminished in importance in recent times, I love that Erik has the FA Cup on his bucket list and proud that he ticked it off at United.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Call me old fashioned but in a world that thinks the CL is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the Fa Cup has diminished in importance in recent times, I love that Erik has the FA Cup on his bucket list and proud that he ticked it off at United.
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You’re old fashioned. But I get it.
 
Teja said:
The data put us at 6th or so last season. People laughed at me when I said we didn't do enough to deserve 3rd and thought we could challenge for the title this year. Likewise this year the data has us bottom half (14th or so), not 8th, so the position is still us overperforming the stats. It's hard to say how much was because of injuries.

At the very least I hope whoever is making the decision has the wisdom to balance player feedback, the eye test, the injuries, the stats to come to a conclusion.
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Agree with all of this. There is a lot of the review that we won’t be privy to.
 
DLE said:
If Ineos still haven’t given EtH a clear answer about his future, then that’s a massive disappointment in my view. Stay or go, it’s quite pathetic to leave things hanging like that and disrespectful on so many levels. Towards the manager, the fans, shareholders, staff. It’s exactly behaviour like that which is the rotting we have been seeing since SAF departure.
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We are just 4 days from the cup final. The more we wait for the answer, the more likely Ten Hag will be sacked. If they want him to stay they would've said it already to avoid anxiety for the guy and keep him focussed for next season.

They don't want the appearance of being assholes to fans by sacking a manager that has just won a cup, rather "we are going through review process, with proper committee and procedure bla bla".

You could make a long list of pros and cons of keeping him versus firing him. For INEOS people, I think they have already made up their mind about this, the cup winner only complicates thing abit.
 
FootballAI said:
We are just 4 days from the cup final. The more we wait for the answer, the more likely Ten Hag will be sacked. If they want him to stay they would've said it already to avoid anxiety for the guy and keep him focussed for next season.

They don't want the appearance of being assholes to fans by sacking a manager that has just won a cup, rather "we are going through review process, with proper committee and procedure bla bla".

You could make a long list of pros and cons of keeping him versus firing him. For INEOS people, I think they have already made up their mind about this, the cup winner only complicates thing abit.
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Think they're just waiting for all the managerial vacancies to fill before they sack him. It's in the INEOS manifesto of ruling with a sadistic glee.
 
Jonnymufc said:
Please don't get me wrong, if we hired Southgate I'd be devastated but...just looking at your list:

Botman - good player
Tonali - good player, likes a flutter
Targett - crap
Livramento - really like him, very promising
Hall - ditto
Barnes - certainly been an effective PL player with Leicester
Gordon - developed into a really good player

Better record than our signings wouldn't you say?
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If we could afford to only sign the best England talents, sure. But we cant. Newcastle were at that lovely crossroads between limitless budget and clubs not treating them like they had a limitless budget.

I'd be very curious to see how Ashworth got on now they're limited and have to sell to buy. Like us I guess.
 
FortunaUtd said:
I do not see a much more ideal time to announce Ten Hag's sacking than in a few days, or a week or so. Sackings are not respectful to the manager per se, but in light of how poor this season was, Ten Hag can surely not complain since he was granted the entirety of the season and was allowed to fight, and win, for the FA Cup, and then allowed to stay in the trophy moment for a while. In that way, he paid back the leniency of not sacking him during the season with a great win and that is quite a good way of ending a tenure, isn't it?

The media constantly need clicks anyway, us fans want developments everyday, but that is not how the work is really supposed to go about, is it?
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I would like to think that the "process" is a continuing exercise and not something you start at the end of the season. Normally, before the final they would have accounted for both the scenarios - us winning or not winning the final, don't you think? I don't see the point the point of this lingering on, unless they have already told Ten Hag that he is staying and are simply taking this time to project to the fans that they are very meticulous with the way they do things.
 
as much i would like ETH to stay, i think he's going. Ineos would have issued a statement by now if he's staying.
 
JonIrenicus said:
Yet it's funny considering Tuchel and Poch had arguably worse seasons with their respective teams yet people here want to replace Ten Hag with them.
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Tuchel and Poch who weren’t even close to facing the injury crisis and off the field distractions ten Hag faced this year. Some of our supporters are seriously deluded.
 
Giggsy13 said:
Tuchel and Poch who weren’t even close to facing the injury crisis and off the field distractions ten Hag faced this year. Some of our supporters are seriously deluded.
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You must not have paid much attention to Bayern, that was the barest side they've had in a long time and they were full of key injuries.

Chelsea also had more missed days due to injuries than us by some margin and only 2 less specific injuries than us
 
Are we being unfair on ETH to expect better football this season (with the injuries) than the crap we dished out?

I think the standards were horrendous even for an injury stricken team.

But maybe I’m in the minority.
 
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