It's indeed an ever increasing possibility.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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That’s some low level mental gymnastics, not interested.. Pass…
I think we all need to take a breath and just savour the thought of 5 months of Ten Hag suicide ball followed by 3 years of admiring Southgate's waistcoat collection. While we play 5 at the back and eventually drop into the bottom half of the table for real.
Our commercial success is neither standout, nor is it enough in any way. We already aren't able to throw money to get the players we want, even that period is now over.
Of course it is. As if McKenna isn't a viable option. If we wanted to appoint him, he'd be here. Also why on earth would he be our first and only option?
I'll quit while ahead If I Were you , so far you have escaped the attention of Mods usually this fake itk shtick is humoured only to an extent , I have seen posters banned for less .
If they are planning on keeping Hag, leaking Southgate as the main choice as successor (though sadly out of reach currently) is a very clever way to unite the fans behind Erik. 
He was ahead?
It does seem very possible that the defensive problems this season will repeat. We just have too many injury prone or slow defenders.
He guessed few things right at the time of takeover I believe .
Great discussion mate. Let's do it again sometime.
A season of being held hostage to crap, failing football under ETH, with the spectre of knowing that however bad it gets, it'll get worse because of their favoured replacement.
And it doesnt matter how unpopular Southgate is, when he gets his foot in it'll be almost impossible to remove him with Brailsford and Ashworth staking their reputations on him succeeding.
And it doesnt matter how unpopular Southgate is, when he gets his foot in it'll be almost impossible to remove him with Brailsford and Ashworth staking their reputations on him succeeding.
Oh you've decided it's Southgate have you? Good stuff.
Finishing 8th and failing to qualify for the CL certainly doesn't help with that.
It's not like you need more time to decide his future. I am pretty sure it's already set and decision is to sack Eric, just need the emotions to cool down a bit, something else to take the first page space.
Just after the game 80% of people wanted him to stay, does one game really change people's mind so much? No, it's just the euphoria of winning the cup. He'll be gone soon.
Just after the game 80% of people wanted him to stay, does one game really change people's mind so much? No, it's just the euphoria of winning the cup. He'll be gone soon.
I think if we keep him we end up in tbe same position this time next year or even with a Caretaker for the 2nd half of the season.
Sir Jim has always said he wants to take this club back to the top and I cant believe for one second that he looks at what Erik has done over the last couple of seasons and sees a manager thats going to do that.
This is supposed to be a fresh start for our club in a new era with a new stucture in place and I feel we need a new manager and backroom staff as well if we are to move forward although I would maybe keep Steve McLaren in an advisory role as he knows the club inside out.
I can't argue with that.
This is overly harsh. We had good spells last year despite multiple problems. We still haven't come close to having a cohesive squad though, and I think he's shown just about enough to warrant having that opportunity. And, given that the style of football he wants to play and type of players he seems to favour would likely fit in with many of the so called modern managers, it makes sense to me to see the job through for once.
If Ineos have no intention of radically changing the squad this year then there's little point keeping ETH. Get a Mourinho in and we'll just muddle our way to whatever wins we can. Honestly, I could live with that. But I doubt Ratcliffe et al are coming here to do that.
If we dont sack Ten Hag now I'm almost certain he will be our next manager yeh. Not like he's going to get any offers from any other big club in the mean time.
We have the option of upgrading Hag to Poch or Tuchel now for free (less his comp) and possibly aren't taking it. So we also wont take it if he's sacked mid season.
You can pretend you dont see it coming if you like but it's pretty damn obvious this is the route we'll be going if he's not sacked now.
If the new leadership has really done a 180 based on one cup game and overly emotional and stupid fanbase, then this club will continue to be down the toilet.
You'd think we'd learn the lesson from Ole fiasco, first giving him a permanent job despite a disastrous end to the season. And, then giving him a new 3 year contract making him Top 5 paid manager in the world after losing a European Final with the most cowardly tactics, only to sack him 5 months down the line and set us back even further. Absolutely infuriating this club.
You'd think we'd learn the lesson from Ole fiasco, first giving him a permanent job despite a disastrous end to the season. And, then giving him a new 3 year contract making him Top 5 paid manager in the world after losing a European Final with the most cowardly tactics, only to sack him 5 months down the line and set us back even further. Absolutely infuriating this club.
I think there's probably more logic to Southgate next summer or during next season than after the Euros. I do find it crazy if Ineos believe there aren't any capable replacements now but then decide to appoint Southgate further down the line. Regardless, I won't be taking any Southgate links with any sort of seriousness.
I somewhat agree and what is the parameter to assess his success next season.
If INEOS (which I disagree with) let Erik manage the last season with his contract still lapsing, by November would anything minimal of being top four allow him to retain his job?
I wouldnt be so sure about him not getting any offers afterall relegating Burnley gets you the Bayern job these days.
Some mental gymnastics here too - so where do Poch and Tuchel go this summer in this scenario?
Fair , will heed your advice.
Wasn't making it up buy guess my guys could have been exaggerating getting excited. I'll keep it to myself from now on. Cheers!
I think it's your wording that made it look bad. You seemed certain in conviction.
All you did was move the goalposts and applied semantics cause you didn’t understand what a balanced viewpoint was or didn’t want to concede you were wrong.
Stick with Ten Hag, sack him by Christmas, hire Southgate.
Simple as.
Simple as.
I don’t think it’s just the euphoria of winning the cup. It’s also the performance. If we won on penalties after a dogged 0-0 I don’t think momentum swings this much in his favor. So many pundits have asked “where has this United been?”. Although, to be fair, many have also pointed out that the game plan was tailored and not a blueprint.
Doesnt really matter does it? They've already been passed up by Ineos when free and available (in this scenario). Same with De Zerbi too.
Get the sense Ineos care a lot about paying as little compensation for any hirings and firings as possible.
Bloody hell, this thread is full of people who have developed PTSD from our repeated setbacks this season, and who are rationalizing their fear of being hurt again by brandishing some dubious principle of realism against those they deem to be either hopeless romantics or deluded fools
Things will be alright lads...eventually
Things will be alright lads...eventually
Of course it matters. Southgate tuchel Poch de Zerbi and Frank are all passed up on if we decide to keep Ten hag.
Now in your hypothetical scenario, we have kept ten hag, and it's gone tits up by Christmas, and we get Southgate.
My question is what has suddenly happened to all the other coaches?
When you've got Pep singing your praises to clubs, it really doesn't matter apparently
He's had enough of a chance and winning the FA Cup doesn't change that for me.
This season alone there's been...
4 - 0 v Palace
1 - 1 v Burnley
3 (4) - 3 (2) v Coventry - after winning 3 - 0 at half time and not losing in the final minutes by the virtue of VAR.
2 - 2 v Bournemouth
4 - 3 v Chelsea (after winning in the 90th minute only to end up losing)
1 - 1 v Brentford (scoring in the 90+ minutes only to immediately concede)
1 - 2 v Fulham
0 - 3 v Bournemouth
0 - 1 v Crystal Palace
1 - 3 v Brighton
The absolute disastrous Champions League campaign.
Being dumped out of the League Cup 0 - 3 at home to Newcastle.
Struggling to beat Newport in the FA Cup.
These results alone should have seen him go months ago.
But there's still...
9 games lost at Old Trafford.
14 PL games lost this season.
19 games lost in all competitions.
85 goals conceded in all competitions.
58 goals conceded in the PL.
57 goals scored in the PL.
Negative goal difference.
Lowest ever position finish in the PL.
Highest number of shots faced in a PL season.
Bottom of our CL group.
You can't chalk all of this up to "injuries". The buck must stop with him.
That's just THIS SEASON too! We've also been on a downward trajectory since just before the League Cup final too, and only just scraped top 3.
It is not suddenly going to improve next season.
This season alone there's been...
4 - 0 v Palace
1 - 1 v Burnley
3 (4) - 3 (2) v Coventry - after winning 3 - 0 at half time and not losing in the final minutes by the virtue of VAR.
2 - 2 v Bournemouth
4 - 3 v Chelsea (after winning in the 90th minute only to end up losing)
1 - 1 v Brentford (scoring in the 90+ minutes only to immediately concede)
1 - 2 v Fulham
0 - 3 v Bournemouth
0 - 1 v Crystal Palace
1 - 3 v Brighton
The absolute disastrous Champions League campaign.
Being dumped out of the League Cup 0 - 3 at home to Newcastle.
Struggling to beat Newport in the FA Cup.
These results alone should have seen him go months ago.
But there's still...
9 games lost at Old Trafford.
14 PL games lost this season.
19 games lost in all competitions.
85 goals conceded in all competitions.
58 goals conceded in the PL.
57 goals scored in the PL.
Negative goal difference.
Lowest ever position finish in the PL.
Highest number of shots faced in a PL season.
Bottom of our CL group.
You can't chalk all of this up to "injuries". The buck must stop with him.
That's just THIS SEASON too! We've also been on a downward trajectory since just before the League Cup final too, and only just scraped top 3.
It is not suddenly going to improve next season.
Please NO
This is where we're headed isn't it...
Stop fear-mongering. It's tiresome
When you've got Pep singing your praises to clubs, it really doesn't matter apparently
I just assumed Bayerns Chairman must have been a Blackburn fan
This is how everyone plays against Pep’s City side. Might be misremembering but I feel like even that brilliant 99-point Liverpool side picked its moments to go forward albeit with more quality and consistency.
But to your broader point, maybe he’s stumbled onto sacrificing Hojlund for an extra body in midfield and playing Bruno in the false 9 like he did with Sancho in preseason. I don’t think we’d sacrifice much in those games in which we’re meant to be on the front foot.
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