Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Valencia Shin Crosses said:
If we keep him and then I'm watching us get battered in transition yet again in August while Kobbie is playing next to the striker and our DM is on an island I might puke
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Yes, we'll all be disappointed and it will either improve quickly or the manager will get the boot.

Winrar said:
But... it's a new season where our players haven't had the opportunity to play together competitively for 5 matches! Or something.
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Grow up.
 
Marwood said:
He definitely did. Simply playing an extra midfielder for a start tightens things up in there.

Plus a player in Amrabat who'll actually stick to being a 6. Which we haven't had all season.

We were noticeably closer together in midfield, much less space for the opposition to play in.
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Oh the midfield was more solid. But I think that came from the reduced space between the back and front lines. Not through midfield changes themselves.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
If we keep him and then I'm watching us get battered in transition yet again in August while Kobbie is playing next to the striker and our DM is on an island I might puke
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If that happens, its truly unforgivable. We'll see what they do. I'd back it on the basis of trusting the process and the structure. However, none of our fans would have any right to blame the structure or transfers. I'm really tired of this pro-manager stance the club consistently takes. This is what has created the fanbase we have that blames everyone but the manager. INEOS need to understand that if results don't go our way next season, fans who asked for him to stay, will be the same ones blaming them for either not backing him/ not giving him a new contract or continuing with him. Ten Haag will still be a sympathetic figure to some here regardless of how he actually performs.
 
Salford_Red83 said:
Unbelievable if true.

Standards are truly in the toilet.
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It's possible ten Hags training methods are causing all the injuries in the first place.

Also, how the hell are bottom third clubs able to play more cohesive football than us. A few injuries doesn't cut it as every member of the squad should be in tune to the managers tactics by now regardless of starting 11. His tactics and coaching just aren't good enough.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
You spoke for yourself actually, thousands of times in this own thread. Not hard to get a grasp on your stance in the matter
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I was always going to blame structure and players even if we finished 15th?

Yeah keep up with the exaggeration, you'll get a job in the theatre at this rate.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Oh the midfield was more solid. But I think that came from the reduced space between the back and front lines. Not through midfield changes themselves.
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You don't think having four midfielders on the pitch as opposed to three made a difference?
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
In that case what gives you pause from willing to blame him due to injuries this year? Because the situation is similar to the one I provided: We were without our first choice LB and CB for a majority of the year, intersparsed with various injuries throughout the squad but in total probably 3/4's were mostly available for much of the year yet we were horrendous as a team. It wasn't just Evans making individual errors in games we were performing well in, or the occasional Lindelof/Maguire bluder fecking over what was a good performance (which is what you'd assume when having to play 3rd-5th choice players and trying to get results). As a team we were consistently ran through while being mostly toothless on the attacking end of the pitch. If the same thing occurs next season I don't see how the situation would be any different to this year apart from the blind hope right now that Ten Hag magically fixes all of his issues over the summer while we bring in another batch of fresh faces?

Just seems like a plan based on blind hope as opposed to evidence of what we've been given with him thus far and I'm trying to understand the other side of it.
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You quoted me above but clearly did not read my post. I'm not going to re-type it all out for you when it's all there. I chose my words carefully.
 
tjb said:
If that happens, its truly unforgivable. We'll see what they do. I'd back it on the basis of trusting the process and the structure. However, none of our fans would have any right to blame the structure or transfers. I'm really tired of this pro-manager stance the club consistently takes. This is what has created the fanbase we have that blames everyone but the manager. INEOS need to understand that if results don't go our way next season, fans who asked for him to stay, will be the same ones blaming them for either not backing him/ not giving him a new contract or continuing with him. Ten Haag will still be a sympathetic figure to some here regardless of how he actually performs.
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I just yearn for the day the club shows some ruthlessness. Fans obviously never will because we might be the softest in the world on players/managers apart from Liverpool, but the club itself needs to be.
 
I'll wait for an official announcement. But sticking with him pretty much guarantees in my mind that we're going to end up with Southgate in December. Great.
 
Flying high said:
*Sigh*

Nobody is saying that, and it's miles away from what actually happened.

Mainoo out for the first half of the season. Mount out for all of it. Casemiro injured at times, Varane for long spells. Maguire, Malacia, Amrabat, Lindelof, Hojlund, Eriksen, Evans, AWB etc etc.

BUT, even that isn't the full story. We start to make a decent go of it with Maguire in defence(for example), then he gets injured. Evans is doing well, then he gets injured before anyone else comes back, so it's Casemiro of all people. He was predictably bad and took a few games to get to some kind of standard. The point I'm making is that instead of options and rotation, the manager has been forced to pick those who've been available all season. It's been like this for defence and midfield for nearly the whole year. I can't remember anything like it in terms of bad luck.

In attack he's had a few options and, to be honest, could probably have done a better job with selection and rotation. But we're really not blessed in those areas. Most of our forwards are young, so playing in front of an ever-changing back and middle has just exacerbated our problems. Then there's the mismatch of styles in the squad. Does anybody think this manager wants to start McTominay for 30+ games a season? Of course not. He's done as well as could be expected and he always gives his all, but he's never a possesion player. Nor is AWB. Neither are Rashford and Garnacho for that matter. From his own mouth, the manager tried to stick to his style through the problems. This may well have been a mistake, it might(though it looks a long shot right now) turn out to be helpful if he stays and gets more appropriate players to fill the gaps, in terms of giving those that did play this year more experience of what ETH is trying to achieve long term. He could, of course, have employed a more pragmatic approach, as he's done in the tougher games with some reasonable success. But that sort of short-termism was, in thoery, what we were trying to move away from. So I can't really fault him for that when he's been told to build for the future.

There's no getting away from the fact that it's been awful on the pitch, like I said a few posts up, I can totally understand the frustrations. For me though, the manager deserves some leeway and understanding for everything that's gone wrong this year. At the very least though, I'd hope that fans who've seen it all unfold this year would acknowledge these issues and not try to downplay them to justify wanting a new manager.
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So the manager persisted playing his own way almost throughout the season, leading to awful football and an unprecedented shots against. The defence / mitigation is that he didn’t have the players available on the pitch to make his style successful. On the other hand, the only time he has been successful this season as well as last season is when we have resorted to playing pragmatic football. Even in early part of last season, when he tried to play more open, we got thrashed by Brighton & Brentford.

What gives you the confidence that his preferred ‘style’ is going to get us any better results next season, even if he was to get his players back? Seems we are leaving a lot on hope that the right players will make his style successful when we have seen absolutely no evidence that supports that over the last 2 seasons.
 
Like I’ve said previously. ETH is staying for next season. Doesn’t take this long to review someone when theirs other managers waiting in the wings for this job. If they didn’t want him he’d be gone by now. He’d have been gone if we lost the FA cup. The fact we won it as give them a reason to keep him. So for a lot of people saying the decisions already been made… I think your wrong on this one.
 
I'd just wait now my mate who's close to it flip flopping so inclined to think he doesn't know himself but since it's a thing now thought I'd let you know.
 
Marwood said:
You don't think having four midfielders on the pitch as opposed to three made a difference?
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Of course. But Bruno played as high as Hojland does for the most part. And McTominay played as high as Bruno normally does.

It wasn’t that major.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I just yearn for the day the club shows some ruthlessness. Fans obviously never will because we might be the softest in the world on players/managers apart from Liverpool, but the club itself needs to be.
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It's literally Liverpool in the 90s/2000s. Next year will be our year. Long term rebuilds. The only difference is that we're much bigger than Liverpool were at the time, and due to our commercial standing, we've been able to remain financially competitive and have kept our strong fanbase. But how much longer can we sustain that> We can' t afford to keep wasting seasons. If I were a top player playing for United over the last decade, I'd be really upset at the lack of actual ambition and ruthlessness. Playing in Ten Haag's side this season made some our players look way worse than they actually are.
 
DJ_21 said:
Like I’ve said previously. ETH is staying for next season. Doesn’t take this long to review someone when theirs other managers waiting in the wings for this job. If they didn’t want him he’d be gone by now. He’d have been gone if we lost the FA cup. The fact we won it as give them a reason to keep him. So for a lot of people saying the decisions already been made… I think your wrong on this one.
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So we are just going to waste another season and fall further behind our rivals while throwing more money away, the only people Erik staying is good news for is rival fans.
 
Sarni said:
If the squad has a very fragile mentality, how did they win the cup while beating two very good teams?

So basically, the squad are a bunch of hopeless losers but the manager has incredible winning mentality. It’s once again we win because of manager, we lose because of players.
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Sigh.
A cup is so much easier to win than a league. We can beat anyone on our day, but as you have seen our day hasn’t been every league match day.
We’ve crumbled so many times this past season, it’s either mentality or we’re just shite. I never said ten hag was the sole reason we won, but equally he isn’t the sole reason for our loses either.
 
Eh, it is what it is. We go again in 25/26. I have no faith in United being a serious team next season if he's staying so just going to follow the development of the youngsters and players I like.

This season Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund made it bearable for me to watch United. Hopefully they can replicate it and it would be nice to see Amad get chances too.
 
RedSky said:
I'll wait for an official announcement. But sticking with him pretty much guarantees in my mind that we're going to end up with Southgate in December. Great.
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Not that I believe any ITK about it but yeh, if they're u-turning now it'll partly be fear of fan sentiment and partly because their favourite is available mid season.

Both sides of that decision would show Ineos as incompetent clowns and that the club is doomed.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Sigh.
A cup is so much easier to win than a league. We can beat anyone on our day, but as you have seen our day hasn’t been every league match day.
We’ve crumbled so many times this past season, it’s either mentality or we’re just shite. I never said ten hag was the sole reason we won, but equally he isn’t the sole reason for our loses either.
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So doesn't that logic go for the manager as well????
If its easier to win a cup, then why are we even debating this?
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Of course. But Bruno played as high as Hojland does for the most part. And McTominay played as high as Bruno normally does.

It wasn’t that major.
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See I thought it was quite different.

Bruno wasn't wrestling with CB's like Hojlund does. He dropped off.

I mean that's the whole point of dropping a CF for another midfielder.

Think of all the bang average teams who've played through our midfield so easily. How many times the midfielders have found themselves wrong side of the ball.

That simply didn't happen against City. We were so compact in the middle they ended up going constantly wide.

You don't achieve that by just changing your CB's.

We both increased the number of midfielders and had all four much closer together. With one parked right in front of the back 4.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
So we are just going to waste another season and fall further behind our rivals while throwing more money away, the only people Erik staying is good news for is rival fans.
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I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just saying what I think. In my opinion if he’s not sacked by the end of this week then he’s here next year.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Sigh.
A cup is so much easier to win than a league. We can beat anyone on our day, but as you have seen our day hasn’t been every league match day.
We’ve crumbled so many times this past season, it’s either mentality or we’re just shite. I never said ten hag was the sole reason we won, but equally he isn’t the sole reason for our loses either.
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Agreed. I mean we almost went out to Coventry City. The difference in our players attitude in those two games is night and day. The players turned up against City, one of the very few times they have since the League Cup win. Whether that was due to Ten Hag or simply the players themselves rising to the challenge is the actual debate.

Does an FA Cup win warrant the erasure of 50 odd PL games? It really shouldn't.
 
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