Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Another possibility - they may well interview possible candidates and come up with a conclusion that they don't fit the job leaving them sticking by EtH until next year. Judging by the what's available, it could be well be.
But when ETH is fecking up royally in October you know they'll be back in this thread ranting about how we cant judge him until we've had a full summer under Ashworth.
So the "these players" argument is still a thing. Cup win = Ten Hag's masterclass. Horrible PL and CL campaigns = these players.
Oh feck off
Haha he qualified for Europe so they have to pay him off more. You couldn't make it up.
People where I'm from speak multiple languages.
What a mess already. INEOS don't fill me with confidence with such poor decision making.
It's true, I believe there was a 25% reduction in wages.
May as well still have Woodward in charge if you think the owners should make a decision based on the letter written by a sentimental fan. It's all getting a bit silly now.
Speaking of which have you done your homework?
I think the wind has turned a bit since the poll on this site. After the final, a poll on Strettynews shows that 90% want him to stay.
It’s absolutely mind blowing. Change their minds more often than @rimaldo changes his jocks. Though that’s probably saying something
Nah, that's CL. That still happens.
This squad is largely Ten Hag's.
What’s the evidence that INEOS is feeling the pressure? The market moves. If you haven’t committed to the manager staying or going, you have to interview McKenna before his exploding offer (I completely made this up to emphasize the point that the market is moving) vanishes. And you also have to talk to Tuchel and Poch, who are inevitably telling you that they’re not going to sit around waiting for your end of season review (made up again). The media gets wind of that, crafts its narrative, and now you sit down to do your review and apparently are shitting your pants because of fan pressure. The market moves!
if you were as educated as me then you’d know that they start to clean themselves after you’ve pumped 20 loads into ‘em.
Everyone's just fecking guessing.
First it's after FA Cup, now after end of season review, then now no one even knows when this 'review' will take place.
Shoot 100 arrows and 1 will land on the target. Give me a break.
was that for champions league absence, or are they getting full pay in Europa?
This is their trial period and they're capitulating badly. Bowing to fan pressure isn't a sign of strong leadership surely even Ten Hag inners can see this?
Fair enough, wasn't sure if it was just European football.
Sacking is bad, we're better than that!
Also, sack all the players, the medical staff, the assistant coaches, and the tea lady!
It's honestly mental. The fans criticised Woodward for his decision making, but I think each and every one of them would have made such stupid, kneejerk decisions. This poll alone was at 80% for the sack at the end of the PL season, and look at the swing after one game! If we'd have played like City and felt like we finally had a breakthrough/glimpse of the potential, I'd sightly understand. But when we played textbook Oleball, something we've established isn't sustainable, then what does it matter?
I feel like I'm in an alternative reality when it comes to ETH, because all of the criticism laid at LVG (ineffective attack), Jose (falls out with players, deluded comments, gets results with negative football and can't go toe to toe with the big teams and plays like the underdog) & Oles (relies on individual moment, Oleball tactics, poor signings, no control over games) door are things he's managed also. Yet the fans want more, and can't really give a good reason why he's the right man in the long term. The only reason is he's won two cups - one of which was a piss easy run of home games, the other was marred by dismal displays against two lower league teams, one of which we scraped by with the skin of our teeth. He's been absolutely nowhere near in the trophies that matter, and has never delivered them in a relevant league either, so where does this faith come from? Where were these people, that are now desperate to keep him, throughout the rest of the season? There's one or two (I won't name them) who stuck by him for a while, but then turned and said that he should probably go, that are now firmly back behind him. One game, and they're suddenly changing their minds again. If it's true that Ineos are being swayed by this game then we're going nowhere.
I can live with that. My issue is with "The manager hasn't had a structure to support him" but also "The structure needs to follow open letters and popular votes."
Dear INEOS
Congratulations, only in the door and you’ve already won the FA cup! Unfortunately you’ve already inherited your first big decision, ‘sack or back’ Erik Ten Hag?
You may receive advice, pleas and begging letters from fans, ex staff and media but ignore them. You put together a team of experts for this very reason - so that you can logically think about your decision, without emotion and driven by data (which hopefully encapsulates more than FA cup final day).
Make your decision, explain it to us and we will back you whatever may come.
However one thing we all agree on, nobody wants Gareth Southgate as Manchester United manager!
Best of luck with your decision and achieving your summer targets. Looking forward to the new season.
Kind regards
Keir Starmer
4 times, actually. Do not exaggerate.
After agreeing to buy 27% of United shares instead of the speculated 100%, I began to doubt whether INEOS is the right ownership group to lead United back to its former glory days. Their questionable decision making process regarding Ten Hag future (whether to retain or dismiss him), only reinforce my concerns. Moreover, considering Ratcliffe's age of 71, it's likely that his children will assume leadership roles at United in just 3-4 years, mirroring the situation with the Glazers. It appears that Ratcliffe may not be the transformative owner capable of restoring United to its former greatness, but sadly a continuation of the Glazer era, “Glazers No. 2”. 
Yeah, seems they want this structure not to pass judgement on him, but to do his job for him and stop him making mistakes.
Football fans hijack online poll I think.
Ten Hag was an unknown bum when he signedYou want me to explain why someone with better pedigree gets afforded more time and leeway than a relatively unknown/bum/potentially chancer?
feck me you're a bad poster.
Please tell me you're joking?
we're fecking cooked, aren't we. I think I've given up hope it this is true.For the first time, thinking there's a good chance he stays. Will just have to laugh tbh.
If they have decided to sack him and looking for new candidates then they should announce the sacking and get it done with. This is not fair on ETH.
Season reviews tend to be fairly large in scope. Each department have their own review of how the season has gone, what challenges they have faced and what prioritisations and changes they need to do for next season - usually with data provided from analytics that also has to produce that data in a way that is easy to understand. The heads of all of the departments then meet to discuss how each of the departments have done, and review how the club as a whole has done with their targets, what they want to achieve next and what each department finds important. Each department have their own meetings, then the department heads have meetings to coalesce everything and try to see the larger picture. THEN it goes to the decision makers. It takes time.
The goal is to figure out what you did well, what you can do better, how you need to prepare for next season and what you need long term, so that decision makers can adjust budgets and implement changes. Often issues can overlap and serious problems in one department might be down to issues in a different department, or be down to how information is shared between them.
Injuries for instance can be down to coaching, poor visualisation of data, an inefficient reporting structure, leadership issues, staff issues, external disruptions, poor facilities, poor data gathering, poor cooperation between departments, individual errors, issues with nutrition, issues with recovery routines, issues with load management, bad sports science, over cautious practice, over-zealous practice, lack of squad depth, poor follow up of players - and more.
Most of that work will have been done already, but it is still a sizeable job to coalesce everything you have learned into an understandable and actionable plan. As I understood it from Ten Hag - the coaching staff and the First team had their meetings before the cup final.
TLDR: To answer your question; I assume they will be taking the information from all of the different departments through meetings with the various department heads (which they did with the first team last week), before finally bringing it to a series of meetings between Brailsford (standing in for Ashworth), Wilcox, Bell and Blanc (standing in for Berrada) to assess the strategy going forward. One of the elements of that list will be the managers position. I reckon they spend 3 days on those meetings alone.
Well that's just a complete misinterpretation of what he said. He said he won't play the Ajax style here because he doesn't have the players for it, and that style isn't in the Utd DNA. He didn't say he doesn't want to play progressive football.
Would you be happy if Utd played Ajax style football? Because the last person who tried to do so got hounded for the football being "dull" (LVG).
Same as Pep, people say they want Pep here but he would be crucified for playing City's style of boring, metronomic football here.
Send them to Rwanda. Or something..
The same style that he played at Ajax. Thats not what we have played this season.
I would go one step further. I'd argue that the Glazers (particularly Woodward) have failed over the last decade because they were constantly preoccupied with pleasing fans. The truth is that most of the managers we hired should have been fired considerably earlier than anticipated. If logic had prevailed, Ole would not have been employed in 2020, but fan and media pressure forced him to do so. When you consider how passive our fanbase is without discussing transfers, it's evident why we continued failing. We kept appointing duds, constantly attempting to keep the fans onside by consistently giving them what they want, until the fans discovered that the manager was a dud and were in support of his removal; rinse and repeat.
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