Oh no. We must sack him quickly then.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Sure I don’t disagree if the discussion was about a team that was competing at the top and finally broke through and won a trophy. We aren’t.
Guess it’s best to wait until we have official confirmation from the club before we lose our shit either way.
Much like in your initial post where you asserted people want title challenges - which is not reflective of what’s happening in this thread - I don’t think anyone’s ignoring third place finish and the cup wins.
Realistically, the league cup is a minor trophy that hardly anyone cares about. I don’t dismiss it wholesale but I don’t think inflating its importance is conducive of anything productive. Third place and with the monetary and time investment you’d expect progression in our football, yet we have some of the worst metrics in the league in a substantial amount of markers - unfortunately, they can’t all be explained away with “injuries”. The FA cup is a good trophy but came in one of our worst, if not the worst prem showing we’ve ever had, as well as embarrassing CL run. Cup competitions are also hardly reflective of where you are as a team - United is not the first nor will it be the last poor team to win one.
Judging most recent season, I think it would be fair to say we’ve regressed. Massively. And judging as overall balance - it’s been underwhelming and performances poor, and not because people are expecting nor demanding title challenges right now.
You mean you don’t want us to play chaos coin flip ball and rely on strictly finishing luck to win games?
Says it all
I do, because simply put the squad itself was worse than the previous year. I didn’t have high hopes for this season and the fact we have got a cup has exceeded my expectations for the season.
This squad needed gutting it still does but hopefully with some good recruitment and better luck with injuries we should be challenging for a top 4 position next season.
I’ve seen enough to think that there is hope If he stays and there is the whole thing of that there isn’t really any one better for me. Not any sure thing anyway.
De Zerbi and Tuchel both seem to know something everyone else doesn't, based on the decisions they've taken.
I wish I could trust the process. Just a shame I still don't know what that Friggin process is.
I'd be shocked if it was De Zerbi, but stranger things have happened. Tuchel seems to be the most logical of choices given his winning percentage in multiple leagues (not to mention the CL).
It’s so weird becuase he’s essentially been the exact opposite manager as I thought he’d be. We need someone to come in and coach is on how to control games, pass through central areas effectively etc whereas ETH was trying to turn into some quick transition team but also failing to get us firing at either end of the pitch.
Was Tuchel good for Chelsea in the PL though ? I recall he improved them straight away but they were consistently terrible in attack, eventually the wheels came off and he doesn’t seem to have left them any legacy in terms of style of play.
It's pretty evident now that we're just talking past one another and this discussion has gone as far as it can possibly go
Because instead of just saying ‘fair’ when you were proven wrong, you doubled down. Good day.
Yeah they were a solid team under him but the attack was a joke, which I think is where the friction came from in the first place because he clashed with the new board over signings.
However they always created chances pretty well it was just Werner or Lukaku on the end of many of them. Through the first 2/3’s of the pitch they were elite though.
I was out in Manchester for the final, everyone I spoke to was behind him. It's only the posters on here that want him gone.
I don't think he's any intention of going down that route. The last 2 seasons don't point towards that anyway.
He's not building then if things are getting worst.
People are looking at this from the wrong frame.
People are asking themselves "is Ten Hag as bad a manager as it appears based on this season?" And the answer is of course no, he can't be this bad, so "it can't be his fault."
What they really should be asking themselves is this. Is the manager who will eventually take United back to the league title, going to make the team far worse after his first 2 years at the club?
The timeline of our next great manager doesn't involve them turning us into a team that is lower half standard after 2 years. And then somehow igniting some meteoric rise to the league title thereafter. Logically, rationally, it just doesn't make any sense. Great managers gradually improve the team and playing style.
Making us worse than Ole/Rangnick era after 2 full years is not what a league winning manager would do.
No, it really isn't.
There's no such thing in footbal.
I’d rather keep ETH so
If Utd had lost on Saturday I don't see a single compelling reason for keeping Ten Hag based on what we saw over this whole season.
The stunning level of incompetence in how the team was set up was not down to injuries, it was there before they started, the injuries are a shield.
The stunning level of incompetence in how the team was set up was not down to injuries, it was there before they started, the injuries are a shield.
He was only there a year and a half and got them 3rd in his only full season (going on a long unbeaten run in the latter half of the 20/21 season). I think the biggest drawback to Tuchel is his volatility in terms of publicly expressing frustration over transfers, which played a big part in why Boehly let him go.
Are you sure those people wernt City fans?
If INEOS are making their decision based on one game then we have bigger issues going forward than the manager.
Okay I'm clearly lying. I'm from Manchester and pretty everybody I have spoke to want him to stay.
Fans, plural
On the contrary I think there is far too much nuanced debate in this thread.
I happen to agree with you. Definitely quite a few posters on this site pretending to be Utd fans.
And I know people who don't post here and want him gone. Now what?
I'm from Manchester and know people who want him sacked, you don't speak for the whole local fanbase. And neither do those people.
I never said I did. The majority of people I've spoken in real life want him to stay, but it's completely the opposite way round on this forum. That's all I'm saying.
I don’t think he’s going anywhere. I think we’re sticking with ETH for next season and if that’s the decision that’s made I’ll back it. We’ll be stronger next season with the signings and outgoings.
Don’t forget the 2-0 away at Newcastle last season where they easily should’ve scored 4 or the 1-1 draw away at Brentford this season where we also should’ve conceded a minimum of 4.
We’ve had our asses handed to us in games post SAF but no manager has received as many spankings as EtH has for us. When he gets it wrong it goes horrendously bad and it’s not a rare occurrence.
It's almost like the poll being tight is pretty reflective of the wider fanbase. Who knew!
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