Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Or maybe people can see the issues he had, the circumstances that he walked into and the how bad our management structure has been? Before ETH was signed, we had gone 6 years without any trophy. And people who point out league positions, should see the actual points earned in each season in last 10 years.
Negative goal difference is a concern, but can be attributed to the squad he had in his disposal for the entirety of the season. You know what, people can do objective analysis of the situation.
Ah fair enough
Obviously if there was a Klopp v2 out there we'd all volunteer to drive EtH to the airport. And that would apply even if EtH finished 4th this season AND won a cup against City. He's not irreplaceable.
If Zebri is the replacement then INEOS are taking a big risk.
Sami Mokbel writing in a throw-away comment that "Man Utd are set to part with Ten Hag" in an article about Chelsea titled "Chelsea move towards appointing Leicester boss Enzo Maresca as their new manager as talks accelerate, with sources saying Italian is new leading candidate, after one rival for the job got call to tell him he 'hasn't made it". Is in no way the same as Sami Mokbel writing a breaking news piece about how Ten Hag will definitely get sacked - which is what the Aggregator claimed.
The new management structure did exactly that and, prior to the final at least, decided to sack him.
Do you not accept the objective analysis of our new expert management structure?
Both the Bayern and Ajax jobs have already been filled
It was quoted verbatim, Mokbel knew exactly what he was doing.
They relayed what he said. The phrasing was the problem, not the aggregator.
Mokbel wrote a piece about Chelsea, and somehow that becomes a "breaking news" story about Ten Hag? Nonsense.
I'm going to have to change then.
Watching those scenes at the end of the game on Saturday it's tempting to give him another season but you have to take the emotion out of it. And this season overall simply hasn't been good enough, not just results but the performances and inability/reluctance to change anything until the last couple of games.
It's also noticeable that you have Onana before the final, Dalot after, both saying that injuries aren't an excuse. Meanwhile, he is yet again doing exactly that with the quote "when you don't have players available, you cannot win." It's such a negative attitude to have and if he's giving those kind of messages to the players it's no wonder they're playing so badly.
It's also noticeable that you have Onana before the final, Dalot after, both saying that injuries aren't an excuse. Meanwhile, he is yet again doing exactly that with the quote "when you don't have players available, you cannot win." It's such a negative attitude to have and if he's giving those kind of messages to the players it's no wonder they're playing so badly.
He's clearly got a lot of positives as a coach and had to put up with an awful lot of shite with the take over/Ronaldo/Greenwood/Sancho/injuries and the other thousand things he has. But in reality, I think the signs were there last season if you really took a step back. That 7-0 hurt. I dont think he's ever truly recovered from that. Like Van Gaal vs Leicester where we went from having a good first half where he looked favourites, to an absolute collapse.
The cup final was a world class performance, but it was only the other week we lost 5-0 to Crystal Palace. This season has been a calamity. And he's going to be lucky to survive it.
The cup final was a world class performance, but it was only the other week we lost 5-0 to Crystal Palace. This season has been a calamity. And he's going to be lucky to survive it.
Or maybe a professional writer should just have a better understanding of words, dunno.
And then you are bringing in a new manager with no pre season to work the players, and recruiting from a much reduced pool of coaches.
He chose to include that specific piece of information. Not the aggregators fault that he worded it poorly.
Nor sure it will be communicated tonight FYI
Just know he's gone , decision made.
Just know he's gone , decision made.
Backtracking now
Two wrongs do not make a right. The aggregator purposefully took a tiny piece of a larger article that was completely unrelated to the narrative they were pushing and made it look like it was a huge story.
For sure I wouldn't advise it, that's why I still think we should go for a new manager now.
But off the back of this season if he does stay he can't automatically be given another full year if things don't drastically improve
“Negative goal difference is a concern” is the understatement of the year
They are taking a big risk in most scenario including if they decide to keep ETH. The only thing that matter is whether they strongly believe in their decision and if that decision is based on logic.
I think they ideally will want the key people to have a long term plan (Berrada, Ashworth). Ten Hag might even still be that long term plan, despite what rumours thinks. If Ashworth/Berrada (none of them in the job yet) wants to have a due process before going for a new long term plan, it will be an intermediary plan for the upcoming season. It will depend on who are available and who is likely to hit the ground running, without disturbing the current aspects of the club that are in tune with the long term ideas.
If they would sack Ten Hag and hire Mourinho (they’re not going to), that would be to sabotage the long term plan for an intermediary one.
IMO, Ten Hag looks like the best intermediary plan. The other available options seem like not a good fit for a long term plan (Tuchel), not ready at the intermediary level (McKenna) or neither (Frank, Southgate, et al).
Yeah this ain’t the Glazers, they’ve already reviewed everything. And refusing to come out and say he’s staying means he’s gone
Yeah that won’t happen.
Had the same goals scored and goals against as Crystal Palace this year, who sacked their manager in February.
Quite easy to convice someone that you are a winner if you win something in both of your seasons.
You don’t choose to keep a manager with a view of sacking him 2-3 months later, it just disrupts the team even further and doesn’t give him the right situation to work in anyway. If you keep him it’s because you genuinely believe he’s the man to take you forward.
If we keep him we have to give him a new contract and ensure him of long term job security.
That seems to be the way the winds are blowing now anyway, so it won’t be a great surprise to people.
No no you don’t get it it’s impossible to improve upon what Ten Hag did this year. He had Kai Rooney up top it’s not his fault we had 500 injured players.
Keeping ETH is a risk too. Unproven at the biggest stage McKenna is a big risk too. Volatile manager Tuchel who finished third with Bayern is a big risk too. Southgate is a big risk too.
Imagine how different this conversation would be if Gvardiol had not gifted us the first goal and Alvarez had converted on his glorious chances.
In a way they are all low risk too if you don’t decide to persist with them needlessly for too long when things go south and don’t hand them over too much authority on transfers/squad building. Clubs are under no obligation to stick with managers that are not working out.
I have no other option do I? And its not yet finalised so lets see.
But we can have different opinions. Mentioning that we have been gaslighted is not constructive
I'm sure you're right. Just hope the club announce it this week. There is nothing to gain by delaying it.
Ten Hag did say Anthony was "unplayable".He is the expert so he sees something in this dud that no one else can. Anthony is the one topic to avoid when defending Ten Hag .It was an unnecessary and criminal waste of money. And no,it was not on Murtough -it was on him.
I'm sure he said quite a lot but what could he do about it? But of course they did not sit deep all the time - it's silly to polarise this into absurd parodies. What actually happened was they tended to sit too deep during defensive phases which left midfield too empty as the attackers were too far up field to help. This prevented a high press from functioning efficiently. During attacks they did often push up but then got caught on the break too easily by quick attackers. Over the course of the game these marginal errors turned into goals and then collapses.
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