There would have been grounds for sacking after that humiliating 7-0, he had his favoured back line playing that game too.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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All signs are pointing to De Zerbi and I highly doubt they'll part with Erik before securing someone's signature.
Di zerbi inspires no confidence in me at all, wish we continued with ten hag if he's the alternative.
If the reports are true I wish him well, from all the post SAF managers he had the highest highs and lowest oft lows with some absolutely ghastly records broken this season but two trophies and that barca tie were highlights.
Think he'll be the only manager that we've sacked will still be able to get a high profile job afterwards as well.
If the reports are true I wish him well, from all the post SAF managers he had the highest highs and lowest oft lows with some absolutely ghastly records broken this season but two trophies and that barca tie were highlights.
Think he'll be the only manager that we've sacked will still be able to get a high profile job afterwards as well.
No, all signs aren't pointing to De Zerbi. The press haven't a clue. Wait and see what happens.
These are all valid points, they all make sense and would usually be a strong argument for giving him another year. To me it is more than results, what we were seeing on the pitch week in, week out, for months on end was inexcusable, comically inept structure and set up, something that had no chance of working, to me it was effectively self sabotage. Now maybe that it too dramatic but I just found it unfathomable that he would persist with it for as long as he did, makes me dubious about his approach moving forward.
Even with all the changes INEOS have made my concern is ETH has lost the changing room.
You could argue they fought for every ball in the FA Cup final, but thats one game and a trophy was on the line. Over a season, they've thrown in the towel so many times. ETH's better than the majority of names we've been linked with, but when your players stop giving 100% every game, you have no choice but to change the manager. (or change 15+ players, which wont happen)
So who do you recon then?
Ah man I have no idea anymore. None of us do really even if we may think it. This makes me sad though, even if it’s correct.
We didn't just have a very poor season, we had a historically bad season by our stature. Humiliating defeats became standard. Injuries or not, there was no progress at all in terms of style, tactical setup, transfers, getting most out of what is available. A back-against-the-wall-win against City doesn't change that.
If we do sack him, i'd say it should be Mckenna to replace him. A risky young manager with massive upside, rather than a more known entity like a Poch or De Zerbi that will more than likely be safe hands at best.
I don't know. What I do know is that the press are saying McKenna one day. Southgate the next, then Poch, then Tuchel and now De Zerbi.
What that tells me, is that they haven't got a f*cking clue who it's going to be.
On a side note assuming the rumors are true, do we hold the record for most managers sacked after a fa cup win?
Agree re the timing and desperation, but the price? ETH should have stepped in because paying 80mil for a player worth at most 30mil, is only going to create further pressure when he inevitably does not live upto the price tag.
The Glazers enjoying spending money? You are the first to float that theory!!!
I never, for a second, suspected that they were not running for him. I truly hope he stays, even though, chances are looking slim of him staying. If we replace him for the likes of Frank, Southgate, De Zerbi... oh dear me.
I think you can push it to Xmas before you renew and see how he gets on. As part of the review being undertaken make it clear that if league performance doesn’t improve that will be the outcome.
Presumably ten Hag will be made to play the way the club wants, so hiring a replacement manager mid season if necessary to suit this philosophy should be straightforward enough. We will also have Ashworth in place by then hopefully.
So, anytime we want to win an FA Cup now do we need to just hire a Dutchman and tell him he’s gonna be sacked after?
Might be. Remember Chelsea sacking Conte after winning the league and FA Cup in two seasons, maybe they have done it before also. Real sacked Heynckes after winning the CL and who could forget Del Bosque's ending at the same place after winning the lot during a few years.
So all the defenders, Maguire, Lindelof, Evans, Varane, Kambwala and even Casemiro just decided amongst themselves to go against the managers instructions and sit deep? This carried on for 60+ games and Ten Hag never said anything about it?
How likely do you think that is mate be honest, who's really fooling themselves here.
So it extends beyond the defence now. The entire squad regardless of who plays just plays the same way, every game for months on end. Against the managers instructions, and ETH says nothing.
Come on mate, that's not remotely likely.
Agree to disagree. I expect 'Breexit' Ratcliffe to choose Southgate as the next Utd manager for his track record of leading what is arguably England's most promising generations of players, to "Zero" trophy.
Did you not watch the post final celebrations, these weren't players who didn't like him, he clearly has a good bond with a lot of guys there?
We know the players there have been rumoured issues with, Sancho (loan), Varane (leaving), Martial (leaving), Ronaldo (long gone), De Gea (gone), Case (hopefully leaving), Eriksen (didn't really fall out but gave an interview saying he wanted to play more). He's basically been going through the top earners like a dodgey curry and a few lagers, clearing the squad with the three exceptions in this high earner bracket being Mount (injured and his signing), Bruno (he publicly backs him at every opportunity + made him captain) and Rashford (gave him new deal, has kept him on side through some negative media/dropped).
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Well 2 things i would say about that: first, it was a different City team then - very good team still but not really the best in the world juggernaut they've become more recently. Second, were any of Ole's performances against City as good as the one yesterday regardless of scoreline? I don't remember many of the games personally but just looking at the formations in those games they look like park the bus tactics. Which is fine but also requires some luck to win, whereas I though United were the better team in that FA cup final.
One-off games are representative of what they are, no more no less. You need to be good at one-off games to win knockout competitions but they're far less determinative in league campaigns. I think Ten Hag has deficiencies in league competition but obviously he can get the tactics right for big knockout cup games.
what's that then, we're interviewing Frank and De Zerbi, admiring Southgate.. all over the shop
Agree to disagree. I feel the price is squarely on Arnold and Murtough, and their lack of negotiating talent.
As for the Glazers, who doesn’t love spending money that isn’t theirs?!
Fake news mostly. Not everything in black and white is true!
If EtH's own words:
"Then you don’t understand about managing a football team. When the players are not there, I can’t train them, I can’t coach them so they can’t perform and they can’t develop, and we will not get the results we want."
if what the dailymail have just said is true then the story will be running hot by everyone!
Erik to Ajax or Bayern then. Maybe a cheeky look in from Barca.
I dont know about that. McKenna, Poch and Tuchel would all have us playing more watchable football, scoring tons more goals and I doubt any would do worse than 8th.
But if they did somehow do worse, then sack them and try again. I'd rather keep rolling the dice.
coming from very legitimate sources
Sadly Ajax just hired Farioli from INEOS sister Nice. Would've loved to see Erik back at Ajax
My only worry it was a bit of a throwaway line in a story about Maresca to Chelsea.
Spoken by the same man who managed Antony and Kudus for 2 seasons and chose to sign the former and ignore the latter who cost half the fee.
Some how gas lighted the fanbase to think he is a winner after finishing 8th with a minus goal difference.
Ajax already appointed a new manager
Perhaps those Tuchel rumours are true then, or at least United have been in talks for a while. Would be tough on Tuchel if we've gone for McKenna late on after he rejected Bayern on a promise he's coming here.
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