true. But in some games it seemed like he is tactically not able to change the game. Maybe because of a small squad due ti injuries?
looking at who we are being linked with to replace him, i’d rather he stays to be frank
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true. But in some games it seemed like he is tactically not able to change the game. Maybe because of a small squad due ti injuries?
looking at who we are being linked with to replace him, i’d rather he stays to be frank
Just to correct the tweet, it says Mainoo had Agüero applauding him, but he was applauding the team. He first lauded the pass from Rashford, and then said “I have to applaud the goal from United. In truth that goal from United is very impressive”.
Semantics, I know.
Either way, fair play to him.
I thought exactly the same. Everything is about getting a reaction for clicks, no journalistic integrity at all.
Of course he should stay. 2 titles in 2 two seasons, with a strangely eroded squad with a injuries.
He should go back to Eredivisie that is more his speed.
Well yes and no. We dont have CL next season so that is a huge minus
Yep it is unfortunately, I agree
I still think that he should go based on the overall season but its really difficult to sack him now.
I always felt sacking LvG after his cup win was well out of order, and I would feel the same if ETH has to go.
Let's see what happens.
I always felt sacking LvG after his cup win was well out of order, and I would feel the same if ETH has to go.
Let's see what happens.
He's understandably pissed off with the press constantly questioning his ability. Fair comment from him.
UK/English media for you, the biggest pack of pricks you'll find. United gig is all for clicks and attention seeking for those louts.
I'm for keeping Ten Hag not because he's earned it with winning two trophies but the possible replacements Southgate, Poch and the former Brighton manager would be down grades and be eaten up by the media within one season.
Why are you so bitter that you are making such comments after today's amazing win?
**** the football press honestly.
Yesterday and today. Just a bunch of snidey cnuts roosting on someone else's misfortune.
Yesterday and today. Just a bunch of snidey cnuts roosting on someone else's misfortune.
We’re nowhere near being anything near winning that trophy anytime soon. We got a shot with the Europa. Let’s be totally honest.
I know there’s a lot of disagreement in here over should he stay or should he go….but I think, regardless of your position, everyone here is taking their position not based on some weird tribalism, but on their belief about what is best for the club.
I respect anyone that feels strongly about him being given more time. If he is given more time, then I will only be supporting him and hoping he succeeds. Because that is what is best for the club. I would take no joy in being proven right that he should go. So I hope if he stays, all those - myself included - that strongly believe he has to go, will be supportive and give him another chance. And likewise, if he does go, I hope all those that wanted him to stay won’t hold it against the new manager. We are always better off if we are United.
Obviously, I’ve articulated on here - many times - not only that he should go, but also why, and I’ve never received a convincing counter argument from anyone. Normally just an emotional, and occasionally vitriolic one. This rift is only exacerbated by the victory today, which has given increased fervour to his supporters, and led to a number of knee-jerk and emotional u-turns. Which is about the worst basis to make any intelligent decision. So I am glad that the decision will be made by people who have a lot more knowledge and expertise about what goes on behind the scenes, than any of us. And hopefully, like most decisions we’ve seen from SJR and co to date, it’ll be a decision taken in the cold light of day, absorbing all the facts, variables, and data. Whichever way it goes, there will be those in opposition to it, feeling disaffected and pissed off. But I hope we’ll be able to put that behind us as a collective, and provide great support to the team. Wishful thinking, I know.
In all likelihood, I think the decision to move him on has already been taken, and over the coming days it’ll be made official. I hope, given the historically bad season and shocking performance levels, that is the case, and we can look forward to better times ahead. With all that said, whichever side of the divide you sit on, I think we can all agree that the way the media treated Ten Hag today was absolutely disgusting. I understanding a simple one time question being asked “is today your last game for United?”? But it should’ve been asked once, and when answered, it doesn’t need to be asked again. Instead they just battered him with the same question, over and over again, wrapped up in slightly different words. Barely a question was asked about the game, tactics, selections, or the emotions he lived through the 97 minutes. What did he tell them at half time etc etc.
The whole affair was really unsavoury, and hugely disrespectful to Ten Hag, who deserved better. I thought he handled himself well, and with grace. If the man is losing his job at United, a job that is probably his dream post, it must be really painful for him. But the press treated him like he was a piece of meat, and that disgusted me. I’m not sure exactly when it was that we lost our humanity in this country, but it was a long, long time ago. Fair play to Erik, who came out with his dignity intact.
My pity and empathy for the press conferences aside, as delighted as I am with the win, I am even more excited at the prospect of us moving forwards with fresh leadership and fresh ideas. This season has been a complete disgrace, and one “backs against the wall performance” does nothing to assuage that fact. As Mark Ogden said, it’s a nice trophy to cheer, but this was a real underdog/minnows type performance, that really shouldn’t be the hallmark of a club of United’d standing. It’s a nice little win, but the tactics aren’t repeatable in 99% of games, so it doesn’t really tell us much of anything about how we might play under ETH next season. What we do know is that during the season, we had no discernible game plan at all. No organisation, and lost a record amount of games. Even with massive injuries, there’s really no excuse for playing no midfield; which is what he’s done for nearly all the season.
Congrats to all my fellow brothers and sisters in arms. A rare moment for us all to celebrate after a bleak 12 months. Hopefully there will be many more to come, and we can finally begin on the long road to get this club back to the top.
I respect anyone that feels strongly about him being given more time. If he is given more time, then I will only be supporting him and hoping he succeeds. Because that is what is best for the club. I would take no joy in being proven right that he should go. So I hope if he stays, all those - myself included - that strongly believe he has to go, will be supportive and give him another chance. And likewise, if he does go, I hope all those that wanted him to stay won’t hold it against the new manager. We are always better off if we are United.
Obviously, I’ve articulated on here - many times - not only that he should go, but also why, and I’ve never received a convincing counter argument from anyone. Normally just an emotional, and occasionally vitriolic one. This rift is only exacerbated by the victory today, which has given increased fervour to his supporters, and led to a number of knee-jerk and emotional u-turns. Which is about the worst basis to make any intelligent decision. So I am glad that the decision will be made by people who have a lot more knowledge and expertise about what goes on behind the scenes, than any of us. And hopefully, like most decisions we’ve seen from SJR and co to date, it’ll be a decision taken in the cold light of day, absorbing all the facts, variables, and data. Whichever way it goes, there will be those in opposition to it, feeling disaffected and pissed off. But I hope we’ll be able to put that behind us as a collective, and provide great support to the team. Wishful thinking, I know.
In all likelihood, I think the decision to move him on has already been taken, and over the coming days it’ll be made official. I hope, given the historically bad season and shocking performance levels, that is the case, and we can look forward to better times ahead. With all that said, whichever side of the divide you sit on, I think we can all agree that the way the media treated Ten Hag today was absolutely disgusting. I understanding a simple one time question being asked “is today your last game for United?”? But it should’ve been asked once, and when answered, it doesn’t need to be asked again. Instead they just battered him with the same question, over and over again, wrapped up in slightly different words. Barely a question was asked about the game, tactics, selections, or the emotions he lived through the 97 minutes. What did he tell them at half time etc etc.
The whole affair was really unsavoury, and hugely disrespectful to Ten Hag, who deserved better. I thought he handled himself well, and with grace. If the man is losing his job at United, a job that is probably his dream post, it must be really painful for him. But the press treated him like he was a piece of meat, and that disgusted me. I’m not sure exactly when it was that we lost our humanity in this country, but it was a long, long time ago. Fair play to Erik, who came out with his dignity intact.
My pity and empathy for the press conferences aside, as delighted as I am with the win, I am even more excited at the prospect of us moving forwards with fresh leadership and fresh ideas. This season has been a complete disgrace, and one “backs against the wall performance” does nothing to assuage that fact. As Mark Ogden said, it’s a nice trophy to cheer, but this was a real underdog/minnows type performance, that really shouldn’t be the hallmark of a club of United’d standing. It’s a nice little win, but the tactics aren’t repeatable in 99% of games, so it doesn’t really tell us much of anything about how we might play under ETH next season. What we do know is that during the season, we had no discernible game plan at all. No organisation, and lost a record amount of games. Even with massive injuries, there’s really no excuse for playing no midfield; which is what he’s done for nearly all the season.
Congrats to all my fellow brothers and sisters in arms. A rare moment for us all to celebrate after a bleak 12 months. Hopefully there will be many more to come, and we can finally begin on the long road to get this club back to the top.
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Wow so much crap in one post, well done. I'm not ETH in as I've said before, but no he clearly hasn't lost the dressing room, one look at the way the players were with him at the final whistle will tell you that. And no, absolutely do not want Sancho back thanks.
If we were looking for a manager, we'd be considering Ten Hag. Just like we did when we made him our manager. It was right then and it's right now.
He's the guy.
He's the guy.
To play in the CL is a must, not just for mobey. Most teams have no chance but it is key
Well he could have read the room a bit better, as refusing to talk to Bayern is a big call if he wants the chance to go to another big club anytime soon.
I have to say, I think if I was Ten Hag and I got sacked for McKenna after winning an FA cup, I'd be pretty raging. I could totally get the reasoning for Tuchel and even De Zerbi if I was him (he would still feel hard done by I imagine), but I'd feel fecking pissed after that to be replaced by a complete novice.
Ineos rats
oh deary me, is someone still a little bitter that Qatar didn't take over??When does it get announced ?
If it doesn't journalism's credibility has hit a new low.
If it doesn't journalism's credibility has hit a new low.
He is being sacked because we have been abysmal, not because of McKenna. Who we hire after him is none of his business, and the only thing he should be raging at is his own incompetence.
The profile at CB needs (IMO) to have the technical ability on the ball to help progress the ball and also have pace and power out of possession to control or contain transitions against quick counter attacks. I think there's quite a few candidates who could be targeted and I think the CB market looks interesting. Players like Ousmane Diomande could potentially be a good pick up at RCB but won't be cheap. He's a young CB with big potential and imo would suit us as we're looking to develop the team. One of Branthwaite or Lukeba to be targeted for the LCB position would also be ideal because we're overly reliant on Martinez in that position. And without him and Shaw this season our build up capability has been severely weakened because the aforementioned players provide a very high technical level on the ball.
And I'm hoping we also sign a specialist #6 to occupy a deeper midfield position. Not alot of names come to mind in that position apart from Zubimendi or Alan Varela who is at Porto. Varela could possibly be worth taking a chance on if he has recovered from the injuries that kept disrupting his season. But I also wouldn't be against going the double pivot route where we look to partner Kobbie Mainoo with either Amadou Onana or Yousuf Fofana who will likely be available for a lower fee due to him being in the last year of his contract. Both players would provide the pace and power in midfield and give Mainoo the platform to be the controller in-possession.
I don't know if it's possible, but I would be very happy to see us sign Diomande (RCB), Branthwaite (LCB), Varela (#6), Amadou Onana (#6/#8). I'd even be happy to sign Yousuf Fofana instead of the Everton midfielder if Everton price us out of a move for their midfielder.
We likely won't be able to sign all the above players, but if we can get close to signing most of them whilst signing players in other areas of the pitch aswell, then I think we'll have had a very good transfer window. Alot will depend on how many players will be moved on and how much money we bank via saving on wages and the money made on out-going transfers.
I think if he was offered the chance he turned it down to focus on the job he has now, shows how professional he is.
If Bayern are serious then what’s an extra few days waiting for their man to be fired to join them.
https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1794464802502234589?t=qY8Tw5Nua2IRByTNl7dMgQ&s=09
I'm still not convinced he'll go.
I'm still not convinced he'll go.
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How is this not extremely short sighted? What if we won the Carabao cup instead, would you still think the same? Surely you have to weigh those "two trophies in two seasons". Domestic cups have basically no bearing on progress to take us to the next level. If ineos don't believe he's the guy to take us there, winning a cup is meaningless to them in the grand scheme of things. We shouldn't keep or sack managers based on how they do in cups. No big club would consider a domestic cup a big enough trophy to make such decision. From what we can see, thankfully ineos are not that stupid either.
I think he should start next season. Today's set up with first choice CBs shows some vindication for his argument that this was the catalyst of our defence.
I also think it is now completely unwise for INEOS to sack him now.
Ten Hag has earned good will with the fans. The new guy if he takes over could start the season horribly and then it all looks bad on them. Suddenly sacking a cup winning manager looks kneejerk.
I also think it is now completely unwise for INEOS to sack him now.
Ten Hag has earned good will with the fans. The new guy if he takes over could start the season horribly and then it all looks bad on them. Suddenly sacking a cup winning manager looks kneejerk.
Youre right, and they will be the ones at the same time calling the club classless and talk of how we acted like scumbags.
His talent ID is disastrous(Antony...), he's stubborn and not particularly charismatic(to say the least).
I'm sorry, but I still think he needs to go.
I'm sorry, but I still think he needs to go.
- Poch
- McKenna
- Southgate
- Potter
- Tuchel
- De Zerbi
These are the names that the press have fed us as being strongly linked as ETH’s successor and safe to say none of them give me much hope nor any major evidence whatsoever that they are the better fit.
- McKenna
- Southgate
- Potter
- Tuchel
- De Zerbi
These are the names that the press have fed us as being strongly linked as ETH’s successor and safe to say none of them give me much hope nor any major evidence whatsoever that they are the better fit.
Yes!
Well his incompetence managed to win us an FA cup. So I would expect if that's not good enough, to have some pedigree replacing me.
His incompetence had us finish in 8th, not McKenna and who says that McKenna does not have pedigree.
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Thanks for sharing.
I think the CBs as you suggest are easy enough to find with suitable profiles but I struggle with the midfielders as it always feels like having to compromise on something we need.
My view would be regardless of manager we could do with 2 new CBs and 2 midfielders DM/CM.
It looks like Ten Hag like Mainoo more for the controller and I’d imagine any incoming manager would see its easier and cheaper to mould him for that role rather than purchasing one.
Reality? He's not managed a Premier League game.
There are several compelling reasons why INEOS should keep Ten Hag for at least another year:
- The Carabao Cup and FA Cup victories highlight his potential to lead the team to further success within INEOS's new structure.
- Keeping Ten Hag would ensure continuity and stability in team building processes.
- Today’s game showed he can adapt his tactics to opponents and compete at the highest level when the full squad is available.
- His man-management skills have earned him respect from players.
- The integration of several young players into the first team indicates his commitment to nurturing talent from within the academy, aligning perfectly with United's tradition of promoting youth.
- Considering the lack of inspiring alternatives among potential replacements, keeping Ten Hag appears as the most prudent option for INEOS.
Neither did ETH.
We are all happy today, but lets be real - if we are looking for a new manager then the guy at 8th with a negative GD isn't going to get many looks.
Amazing win so happy for us as fans and the performance and beating city.
That said he's still gone.
Latest from Ornstien about the season review should be seen as buying themselves a week.
Ask yourselves if they've interviewed other managers just for a laugh. Winning the cup was always a possibility.
That said he's still gone.
Latest from Ornstien about the season review should be seen as buying themselves a week.
Ask yourselves if they've interviewed other managers just for a laugh. Winning the cup was always a possibility.
This CUP win does not erase the fact the we had -1 on goal difference on the Premier league season.
This win probably secured his job but it would be better to move on, though.
This win probably secured his job but it would be better to move on, though.
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