Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Still can't get my head around his self sabotaging midfield set up that he finally discarded against Arsenal.

I keep saying it, because it continues to be astounding that he continued with it for so long, if he is sacked he did it to himself.

Bizarre spell at Utd if this is how it ends.
 
GiveItToGi...nowait said:
Would you prefer to come fourth and no trophy?

I ask because we’ve qualified for europa, essentially making Chelsea and Newcastle finishing above is pointless and won silverware.

I think the knack of winning trophies is important for a manager, there aren’t many managers capable of it available.
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If he got us Champions League, there wouldn't even be a discussion in this thread considering the injuries. But the reality is we finished 8th with a negative goal difference and showed no progress on the pitch.
 
Malone_Post said:
That press conference was an utter disgrace. The guy has just won the cup, how about letting him enjoy it for a day? As much as I’ve been ETH out, he didn’t deserve that. Like a pack of hyenas waiting to pounce. A complete copy & paste job of the treatment LVG got after his cup win.

Football journalists really are utter scum.
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I think only 2 questions were related to the match, a few journos just wanted to put their narrative out rather than ask a question. Pretty disrespectful, especially whoever asked the last question. I wish ETH would give it back sometime, but can’t blame him for trying to avoid confrontation!
 
Ace of Spades said:
Cool, but still shit. The point of management is not to shit the league and end up 8th. All that pedigree and experience means feck all. It has not helped ETH in the league. Alonso, Arteta, Pep, Zidane did well with none of that. McKenna has plenty of talent, and you have no clue how he will do here. Also, he knows us better than even ETH, so I think he knows plenty about the challenge.
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Arteta did it twice. In a row.
 
"Why did this require a seperate thread and a seperate poll?" @golden_blunder

Probably didn't, but what would make sense is a poll on ETH or Tuchel, given that there's strong rumours suggesting he's getting the job.
 
Roario said:
INEOS will be conducting a review of the season. They will evaluate Ten Hag in the same manner as they do the other candidates for the job.

They might have a slight bias towards Ten Hag due to financial considerations, but I don't believe that will significantly influence their decision.

They have done their due diligence by interviewing many potential managers, likely more than what has been reported in the media.

So the real questions are: What style do we want to play? Who fits that style of play the best? Is Mr X an upgrade over Ten Hag?

Among the reported names linked to us, I can't see a clear candidate who fits.
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It's great to have Sir Jim as an incognito member of the forum, welcome
 
If you thought this thread couldn't possibly see any more debunked arguments comparing ETH to Arteta's start at Arsenal, you were wrong.
 
Zumbi said:
Depends where your priorities lie as a fan.

Any team can have a good cup run with a bit of luck. By far the most important barometer of progress for me is showing you can perform week in, week out in the league. Finishing bottom of our CL group and then finishing mid table with a negative goal difference is just not good enough despite the cup win IMHO.
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It’s been a tough season and some of the results have been painful so I get where you’re (ETH out) coming from, but I have to disagree, it’s all about winning trophies.

FA cup wins don’t fall out of the sky, we had luck against Coventry but we also had an unbelievable result against the scousers and we beat the best team of bastards in the country today.

ETH has made mistakes, we’ve had one of the worst injury plagues I can remember, a protracted takeover saga and some of the worst off field issues I can remember (that have gone public).

The man has won two finals out of three in two seasons, no doubt the recruitment has been hit and miss (by a mile) but I think we have a better team in place. Give the club some stability and the players time to grow into a team.

Anyway, I understand if they get rid but I think it would be a mistake.
 
GiveItToGi...nowait said:
Would you prefer to come fourth and no trophy?

I ask because we’ve qualified for europa, essentially making Chelsea and Newcastle finishing above is pointless and won silverware.

I think the knack of winning trophies is important for a manager, there aren’t many managers capable of it available.
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A fourth place finish with some decent football would have been far more meaningful in terms of indicating the direction we're going. This "knack" of winning trophies doesn't mean much if it's not the league or the CL. Would you be happy if we have the same season next year? A cup win is better than top 4 but only in isolation.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Arteta : Didn’t he finish 8th?

Pep: Managed Barcelona in their pomp. And then one of the best Bayern team. Finished 4th in first season before spending feck you money. Had way better support structure.

Zidane: Had a pretty decent Real Madrid.

We are nowhere close to any of the team, so comparisons is bit pointless. League performance was bad but we dont have great squad and our first team players were injured most of the season.

Fa cup victory does paper over the cracks but one season with proper management is what ETH has deserved after pulling out this victory. Jose and LVG are pretty good manager and they struggled with our management structure.

Also none of the manager mentioned is an upgrade over ETH.
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Arteta never went backwards. Pep also made them in to one of the greatest teams, and Zidane achieved things no one else did. You also left out Alonso who took Leverkusen on a great achievement.

ETH deserves the sack, not a new season. The management is not there to cater to ETH, it is to help the club, and a one off win does not change anything or take away his failure.

Tuchel and Xavi is an upgrade on ETH, I would take McKenna easily over ETH.
 
GiveItToGi...nowait said:
Would you prefer to come fourth and no trophy?

I ask because we’ve qualified for europa, essentially making Chelsea and Newcastle finishing above is pointless and won silverware.

I think the knack of winning trophies is important for a manager, there aren’t many managers capable of it available.
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So if we came 15th and won the FA Cup it’s fine because it makes the teams finishing above us pointless because we still make Europe?

You see how that sounds?

A managers performance review should always be HEAVILY weighted on his performances in the league. Its a 38 game sample size against teams of varying qualities, skills, tactics and games are played both home and away.

As opposed to 5 isolated games in a season, 3 of which were against teams at least a division below us, 2 of them went to added time and one of those went to penalties.

These margins are too fine for it to be used as a basis for a manager to keep his job.
 
Ace of Spades said:
Cool, but still shit. The point of management is not to shit the league and end up 8th. All that pedigree and experience means feck all. It has not helped ETH in the league. Alonso, Arteta, Pep, Zidane did well with none of that. McKenna has plenty of talent, and you have no clue how he will do here. Also, he knows us better than even ETH, so I think he knows plenty about the challenge.
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Arteta has no business along the other names mentioned. Alonso too. Arteta finished 8th - twice. He still has one only single FA cup to his name in many years.

Xabi did well this season but he's not a name that is related to us and EtH also had pretty good seasons at Ajax which doesn't mean sure immediate success in PL.

McKenna is a wildcard but IMO not ready yet.
 
Danny_ said:
Not many teams can beat City in the cup though.
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But again, a one off performance in a cup final is not a barometer of progress in the same way a good league campaign is. Beating city in one important cup game does not signal significant progress to me when we feel further away than ever from them when it comes to the league.

14 league losses and a negative goal difference is damning, injuries or not. And it feels even worse if you actually look at the quality of the performances and not just the stats. So many of our wins and draws felt like robberies. We have consistently failed to look like the better coached team against any of our opponents this season, and a cup win does not negate that reality.
 
Ace of Spades said:
Arteta never went backwards. Pep also made them in to one of the greatest teams, and Zidane achieved things no one else did. You also left out Alonso who took Leverkusen on a great achievement.

ETH deserves the sack, not a new season. The management is not there to cater to ETH, it is to help the club, and a one off win does not change anything or take away his failure.

Tuchel and Xavi is an upgrade on ETH, I would take McKenna easily over ETH.
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. All these have been good, but United managers have struggled. The organisation has been shit.

Dont forget, ETH was one of the in demand coach 2 years back. Took over an awful United team riddled with issues and then faced Ronaldo problem which was not that easy to overcome.

Mcknenna was part of United coaching team who also struggled.

Only common denominator is bad organisation. One season with proper structure is what ETH deserves after pulling off 2 cup success in 2 years.


As per the new report, we will analyse all aspects objectively and come to a decision. Let’s see what happens but none of the manager which are available are any major upgrade.
 
He has had an absolute howler of a season. That cannot be revised away. It was the worst season since Ferguson for me, in the league and the CL. We did well in this cup to be fair, and especially today of course. But that is 5pc of the season.
 
AndOr Hererra said:
So if we came 15th and won the FA Cup it’s fine because it makes the teams finishing above us pointless because we still make Europe?

You see how that sounds?

A managers performance review should always be HEAVILY weighted on his performances in the league. Its a 38 game sample size against teams of varying qualities, skills, tactics and games are played both home and away.

As opposed to 5 isolated games in a season, 3 of which were against teams at least a division below us, 2 of them went to added time and one of those went to penalties.

These margins are too fine for it to be used as a basis for a manager to keep his job.
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SAF had a few years of upper mid table finishes before the FA Cup win which was said.to save his job. It's about instilling a winning mentality in the club...
 
If Ineos decide to get rid, I'm not sure he could have too many complaints.

Thanks for the 4-3 against the scouse and today.
 
ManUArfa said:
SAF had a few years of upper mid table finishes before the FA Cup win which was said.to save his job. It's about instilling a winning mentality in the club...
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So.. you’re saying it IS fine to finish 15th and win the cup then?

Because the greatest manager in history did it 35 years ago, when the landscape of football was unrecognisable to what it is today.

Alright I guess
 
Enigma_87 said:
Arteta has no business along the other names mentioned. Alonso too. Arteta finished 8th - twice. He still has one only single FA cup to his name in many years.

Xabi did well this season but he's not a name that is related to us and EtH also had pretty good seasons at Ajax which doesn't mean sure immediate success in PL.

McKenna is a wildcard but IMO not ready yet.
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He does and so does Alonso to disprove that experience is some absolute quantity to judge the ability of a manger. Experienced managers have failed, inexperienced managers have succeeded. In the end, unless they are given the job we are just speculating.

I think McKenna is ready, or at least as ready as he will ever be.
 
I don't really think today could or should influence their decision making process. How can 90 minutes of football mean he is the right or wrong man for another whole season.

He deserves immense credit for today. On the day he had the right tactics, the right team, he got everything right.

Does it erase the whole season and his inability to compensate for the difficulties we had? No, it doesn't. But if he does go out then it's great for Ten Haags career because ultimately he can claim he scored 2 trophies in two seasons and hold onto that. His time hasn't been without success at all. If they do stick with him then he goes into another season on a high too so today was important, I just don't think it should score that highly when they make a decision (should probably already be made)
 


I'm amazed by the lack of class by those cnuts asking the questions. I know they are often daft, most of the time cnuty, but that was absolutely beyond what I expected. Thought he navigated that well.
 
Berbaclass said:
Sounds like they’ve had second thoughts about the sacking.
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It was strange for such a big story to come out the day before the cup final and no other major outlet to fully back it up, there was a lot of talk that he might go or that he's on the brink but nobody followed up the Guardian's article with the same level of certainty. He's still probably in big trouble and it feels like he likely will go but I'm not sure contacting other managers was evidence he was gone rather than them seeing what their options are if they do make a change.
 
To see Kyle Walker lose his head with Martinez today showed how well we played.

We outplayed them and they were rattled.
 
Eyepopper said:


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He clearly knows he's off or he wouldn't be talking so frankly. I wish him luck and think we should keep him, but he was the author of too many of his own misfortunes for comfort.
 
Ace of Spades said:
Winning the league with Ajax and having one good run in the CL. I am scoffing at it, the same way you are scoffing at McKenna even though many managers with no prior experience have gone on to win plenty off things. Alonso, Zidane, Pep did not have experience either, and they were great.



Cool, but still shit. The point of management is not to shit the league and end up 8th. All that pedigree and experience means feck all. It has not helped ETH in the league. Alonso, Arteta, Pep, Zidane did well with none of that. McKenna has plenty of talent, and you have no clue how he will do here. Also, he knows us better than even ETH, so I think he knows plenty about the challenge.
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Winning a cup is never shit. His league performance was rubbish this season, but he has still shown he can reach 3 finals in 2 seasons and won 2 cups. Neither do you because there is absolutely nothing but blind faith suggesting he could make the jump from Ipswich to managing one of the biggest clubs in the world. He was with United's first team one more year than Ten Hag has been here, he doesn't have any more unique insight to our challenges than Ten Hag does.
 
As I said if INEOS sack him now and appoint a replacement who starts the new season badly they will be ridiculed. Also if it is McKenna he will have added pressure having never managed in a top flight.

I think they will now let Ten Hag start the season and if he builds on this it is great, if it starts bad again with him then they can pull the plug and bring their own man in.
 
I felt quite emotional watching the team at 2-0 up. Fernandes was superb. Martinez and Varane were missed all season. Christ I love this club
 
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