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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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What are his strengths? He's just not as good as people thought. We shouldn't have even been in the final after getting pushed to the limit by Coventry. I'm glad we win it obviously, but let's be real about it.
I feel like the last few matches the penny may have dropped too late. You need to be compact in the middle. Injuries don’t excuse that. Amrabat has been available most of the season and could have been shoring the middle up. He may not be the best passer and as slow as a ship turning but he’s a warrior. I feel we may have won or drawn a few of those 19 we lost if he has played a double pivot with him
He’d still have a job if he’d set us up properly all season. Actually doing your job in a cup final doesn’t buy you 50 more games unfortunately. Thanks, it’s been emotional, good luck in the future
It seems he wasn’t answering questions regardless of the topic
Bingo
Yep exactly this, I was saying earlier in the thread that we only finished 8 points behind Villa in the end, a few more compact performances and not being so open and we easily would've got an extra 9 points.
Genuine question.
Lets say we improve in a few areas over the summer and set up the way that he have done in the last 3 games, what do you think would happen?
I'm pretty certain we would push very hard for top four at the minimum.
One thing you can say for Amrabat, Mainoo is at his best playing next to him. Unlike Casemiro who just makes everyone around him look worse.
Fantastic result and greatly improves the overall look of his tenure here, much much bigger than the League Cup last year which was of fairly limited importance.
He literally stopped and turned around.
May as well have asked him what he's having for his tea.
Seeing Martinez and Varanne today vindicated him a bit for me. We have missed them immensely. No doubt we would have been much better off with them.
I think your last paragraph is something a lot of people haven't really realized. We have a good foundation to build upon, if you take a look at our teenagers and some of the early-to-mid-20s players: Mainoo, Garnacho, Kambwala, Hojlund, Amad, Malacia, Dalot, Mount, Martínez, and then I'd add Rashford, Shaw and Onana as more senior players but with still several years left in them. A few players could make a comeback under a new coach too, IMO, like Maguire for example. And then I haven't even mentioned the biggest prospects in the academy like Amass or Lacey, for example, but that isn't down to ETH.
If we ditch the Glazers' "maximum of 3 significant arrivals per season" limitation of the transfer policy, and sign at least 4, but ideally 5 or 6 players this summer, who can contribute from day 1, I think we have a really exciting young core to build on.
Edit: Whether that's with or without ETH, I'm not sure. Just hope we make the right appointment if we part ways with the current manager.
It’s not that he finally got it, it’s that he realised he’s losing his job and he has to show potential employers that he can actually set a team up to win games instead of working towards a system that his players can’t play.
It would appear that he spent the entire season trying to coach the players into playing a certain way, which they can’t, so he’s intentionally or unintentionally thrown them under the bus in the process.
He should have just tried to get the best out of them and tweak the system as new players are made available to him. You have to win games first and foremost as the manager of Manchester United.
Well said, as someone who lost faith in him and still think he should be gone / at least be on his last chance, I absolutely give credit to him for dealing with all these off field issues well and bringing through some fantastic youngsters to the fold. He will leave this club (if he does) better off than most other managers did - at least the next guy will have something to build on.
Bad performances aside, I give him respect where it’s due - and I do wish that this sacking situation would’ve been dealt with in a classier manner, just not what I’d like to see from the club. Hope whoever leaked that story gets found out and sacked on Monday morning.
Erik’s a class guy when you see the relationship he has with his players, so as a fan I can only wish him the best regardless of what the execs decide.
We def need 5 or 6.
Evans, lindelof or Maguire, varane, Eriksen, casemiro, amrabat, martial . That's atleast 7 we are losing. Probably even more
His non answer is all the answer you need.
To be fair if you don't buy into his project, today proves nothing since he played a completely different way.
Nobody, it's the classic "anyone who wants the manager gone isn't a real fan" rhetoric that we've been hearing from the usual suspects all season
That's the million dollar question. And why did he throw away a season and earn himself the sack to do do?
Wtf is that.
Maybe the penny finally dropped for him. Who knows if we'll find out.
So you are putting it all on one game vs a whole season?
Genuine answer, I’d have absolutely no issues with him getting another season if he dropped this shit system he’s been pushing on us for 45 games.
I believe he decided to play a certain way this season (his way) in hopes to coach the players into how he wants them to play. The issue is we’ve had injuries and they simply can’t do it, although I’m not sure anyone can at this level.
When you play a system that highlights the weaknesses of the players you currently manage, you’re essentially feeding them to the wolves every week. Rightly or wrongly, lads like Maguire will feel they’ve earned their United move and now it’s being stolen from them by a manager who’s decided he can’t play in defence because he’s not left footed. Boom, there goes all mutual respect.
I’d have way more patience with the manager if we’d absolutely stunk the place out all season but won most of our games. We’d also have achieved top 4 with ease and that’s always a platform to build upon and bring better players in.
It’s unfortunate but it is what it is now.
ETH post-match press conference will be live on Sky Sports News soon for anyone that wants to watch. Not turned up yet (may be currently being sacked 
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)Yeah, the performances admittedly fell off a cliff after the EFL cup final. However, we weren't that great under Mourinho either. You can mention the 81 point season, or the 3 cups, but we were all there, we weren't good and the environment was always close to becoming toxic. And with context provided, it becomes clear that those 3 trophies and the 81 point season aren't all that special either. Ole finished on 74 points when we had nothing to play for after matchweek 34. ETH finished on 75 points without a striker. We lost the EL because of De Gea and a Maguire injury. It just doesn't make sense to me that people would have completely different opinions on Mourinho and Solskjaer, for example, if you change literally just 1 moment in each United stints. If Guidetti buries the chance in the semi-finals, Mourinho doesn't win the Europa League. If De Gea doesn't have a horrific penalty shootout performance, Ole wins the Europa League. Judging a 2 and 3 year stint respectively based off of two moments that could've gone either way is just incredibly flawed logic, especially that both things were out of their hands.
Fair enough. I don't disagree. Just seems to me like he has figured out where we are going wrong (finally) in the last few weeks.
They were both fantastic, but, as @golden_blunder says above, it's more about how he finally adjusted the midfield. Martinez and Varane would have struggled had we continued with that one man alone on an island approach, too. The fact that we looked better in every game since playing Amrabat with Mainoo regardless of our CB pairing this past month or so just shows how much of a problem that tactic was.
I agree to an extent. I think it's a combination of both.
It makes it worse.
Not sure all 3 CBs leave, to be honest. Not sure Eriksen leaves either. We also don't necessarily have to replace everyone. 7 "significant" arrivals is rather unlikely in my opinion, although Chelsea have showed us it's not impossible. Might not be sensible, though. We'll see.
What do you do for a living? Assuming it's not managing a football club at the highest level, clearly you should switch jobs mate (unless you earn more money doing what you do now).
Evans coming in and performed just as well, the only thing vindicated is that he has been making pathetic excuses for shit performance and results. As has been shown that by not leaving the midfield open we actually can be decent.
There is two possible scenarios
He was working towards his system in the long term but got told he’s being fired so he changed to making it about results.
Or
He got told he’s safe but results need to be better and we’ll work longer term on being a more forward-thinking team.
I could see both being true tbh. I also think the last couple of games were in part just preparing for today.
Disagree respectfully. Rapha and Licha did so much good work in the first 70 minutes that it's difficult to imagine us doing that well without them. The better midfield structure helped though granted.
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