Have faith, have some patience. Two trophies in two seasons is a good achievement. Keep him for his strengths and cover his weaknesses (recruitment).
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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We’re a cup team at the moment. Building experience of winning trophies is one of the few good things going for us right now.
To me it is not that huge,when considering the huge money being poured in the team. Semis and finals show that we were not that far off, so it is not nothing. We are not some championship club achieving the impossible. We have been a good cup team before ETH, and still are. It is not a huge achievement for me, especially when we have nothing else to fight for.
ITV interview with ETH was excellent: fair, respectful and asked the key question at the end. Gary and Alan have and will always be bitter when it comes to United. ETH has outperformed Klopp over his two seasons yet is likely sacked shows the difference between the two clubs and expectations.
Nope. Conference League Qualifiers.
I like the idea of McKenna and think he'll be a great manager in the future, but I think ten Hag deserves another chance.
Those of us old enough to remember 89/90 should understand why.
It takes time to right a ship that was as wrong as United has been.
Has he made great signings, on the whole no, but SAFs signings were hardly stellar while he was trying to fix the team in the 80's, some of them came good, but it didn't look that way in 1990.
Has he made mistakes this season, of course, but he's been dealing with an injury crisis and a severe decline in last seasons most important player. When he has had his most important players available, like today, we've looked like a proper football team capable of challenging the best.
Could we have finished 4th if he'd been more pragmatic, possibly, but hindsight is 20/20.
Every manager has poor seasons and makes bad decisions. Look at Klopp's last season at Dortmund, his first season at Liverpool, last season when they nearly missed the CL. Look at Guardiola's first season at City. Look at Arteta's second season at Arsenal.
If the reports in the Guardian are to be believed then it is a moot point, but what cannot be denied is some United 'fans' need to learn some patience and take a long term view. Chopping and changing the manger because of one bad season isn't the best strategy for creating a successful football club, it is one of the reasons for the state we are in.
Those of us old enough to remember 89/90 should understand why.
It takes time to right a ship that was as wrong as United has been.
Has he made great signings, on the whole no, but SAFs signings were hardly stellar while he was trying to fix the team in the 80's, some of them came good, but it didn't look that way in 1990.
Has he made mistakes this season, of course, but he's been dealing with an injury crisis and a severe decline in last seasons most important player. When he has had his most important players available, like today, we've looked like a proper football team capable of challenging the best.
Could we have finished 4th if he'd been more pragmatic, possibly, but hindsight is 20/20.
Every manager has poor seasons and makes bad decisions. Look at Klopp's last season at Dortmund, his first season at Liverpool, last season when they nearly missed the CL. Look at Guardiola's first season at City. Look at Arteta's second season at Arsenal.
If the reports in the Guardian are to be believed then it is a moot point, but what cannot be denied is some United 'fans' need to learn some patience and take a long term view. Chopping and changing the manger because of one bad season isn't the best strategy for creating a successful football club, it is one of the reasons for the state we are in.
Is he being sacked or killed?
his arm-waving tells a story.
I want all ETH in posters to come forward and apologise.
If this had been the sort of performance we were seeing even semi-regularly through the season. If these players had looked arsed even 50% as much as they were today. If there had been a hint of this during the season then I'd probably be looking to keep him even if we still ended up where we did.
One way to look at it is that the leak got out about EtH going and the players did it for him!..
... Another way to look at it is that the players have been bumming around all season because they want him out, and once they heard that he's gone they decided to put in a shift.
Does that mean he's bad, or does that mean that enough of the players have been trying to get rid of him that it's looked that way?
Either way, I think that some of these players need to be moved on as quickly as possible, even if we can't sell, send them on loan or something for the good of the squad.
One way to look at it is that the leak got out about EtH going and the players did it for him!..
... Another way to look at it is that the players have been bumming around all season because they want him out, and once they heard that he's gone they decided to put in a shift.
Does that mean he's bad, or does that mean that enough of the players have been trying to get rid of him that it's looked that way?
Either way, I think that some of these players need to be moved on as quickly as possible, even if we can't sell, send them on loan or something for the good of the squad.
We didn't achieve the impossible of course. I wouldn't say that we need to replace if we had. But at the end of the day, the player's step on to the pitch to win trophies. We had won none for four years and now have 2 in 2. That is what the history books will say so for that, it's a big thank you to ETH even if he wasn't good enough.
Oh no, DSG off the caf feels sorry for me, whatever will I do....
Comparisons with SAF have started.
Loving it. Loving it that he gave every pessimist something to think about. Loving it that he point the middle finger to all those experts and journalist who were just there to throw everything negative at him.
Whatever happens now in his staying or going he won a trophy and gave us something to be happy for.
Whatever happens now in his staying or going he won a trophy and gave us something to be happy for.
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Lovely moment to have given the amount of faith he’s placed in both.
Both instrumental to this cup win.
I'm not an ETH inner at all actually, and haven't been for months, but thanks for playing.
Exactly this. He's shown a superb tactical ability this last few games yet oversaw months of having huge gaps in the middle.
That's why as harsh as it sounds to change manager after a cup win, coming 8th is just scandalous.
In the ITV interview when asked if he'll be here next season he actually says 'I have no doubt, but it's not up to me'
Great post, and I agree.
Sorry but no. I'm ETH in but he played on the counter today. I'd rather sack him than do that again
Let them know Erik!
Good post as always mate. Did you make it to the final?
2 trophies in two seasons is not to be scoffed at no matter how terrible was the league campaign. Only the second manager in the last eleven years to win multiple cups at the club.
It's his day today.
We come back the pedantic discussions and bickering after a couple of days. Hope the decision makers look at this holistically. At the end of the day it's their job to get the club where it belongs. We can only have meaningless discussions with no real effect on things.
It's his day today.
We come back the pedantic discussions and bickering after a couple of days. Hope the decision makers look at this holistically. At the end of the day it's their job to get the club where it belongs. We can only have meaningless discussions with no real effect on things.
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Agree with this 100%
People used it as a stick to beat Ole with. They use the lack of trophies as criticism of managers in line for the job.
The fact is he’s made three finals and won two and that’s good work. Regardless of league form he’s also beaten good sides to win those cups.
He's figured out, with basically three weeks of the entire season left, that playing without bodies in midfield is suicidal in the EPL.
The Palace game in which the penny finally dropped, and Amrabat doing a good job defensively helping out an overtasked defence, has probably given him another season.
I just don't get why it took him so long to figure out what was blatantly obvious to everyone else, whether it is sheer stubborness or deluded optimism. You have to have someone in midfield who is capable of screening the defence and doubling up on wingers. You have to have someone in the midfield capable of competing in duels. We've put out midfields that have barely put pressure on the ball and who have had no defensive positional awareness. Thinking particularly of the Forest game in which McTom was subbed on to play DM.
The Palace game in which the penny finally dropped, and Amrabat doing a good job defensively helping out an overtasked defence, has probably given him another season.
I just don't get why it took him so long to figure out what was blatantly obvious to everyone else, whether it is sheer stubborness or deluded optimism. You have to have someone in midfield who is capable of screening the defence and doubling up on wingers. You have to have someone in the midfield capable of competing in duels. We've put out midfields that have barely put pressure on the ball and who have had no defensive positional awareness. Thinking particularly of the Forest game in which McTom was subbed on to play DM.
Only Jose and ETH won two trophies right?
Is it possible that he has learned his lesson based on the last 3 games?
I like how he snuck in "managers" in there. And then he talks about 2 bad performances.
That's a load of shit. Every fan in here is thrilled that we won, whether or not we believe ETH is the man to take us forward.
excellent post
I feel like this will need an update soon.
Yep. Figured it out far too late. Look how compact we’ve been since that Palace shitshow. Clearly the tactics at play.
We weren't even that great last season 22/23. Go to the end of season thread and you'll see almost everybody saying they want to see a clear style of play and an improvement on our football.
anyone whose first inclination was to come into this thread - pro or con - is a disgrace tbh
Regardless of which side of the fence you’re on, let’s save the talk on his achievements/underperformance for another day. It’s Ten Hag’s day today. Congratulations on another cup win.
Yep completely agree
Im not sure how you can speak for all the people on here but it's evident to me that there's some who are not happy.
I feel like this will need an update soon.
Let me guess.. Sancho will be in the picture instead of Mike Smalling?
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