Yep fully agree. This is the crux of the matter and there will be lots of debate behind the scenes by INEOS on it.
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And that’s exactly how the narrative would go in this hypothetical.
But people are scared to admit that for some reason?
Like Ten Hag could start next season without any injuries and with on paper the best possible signings at CB, CDM, LB and ST and we could be awful and then I’d be like “I think Ten Hag needs replacing” and I’m sure a few on here would give me pelters for it.
But equally the above could happen and we could start looking better and I could say something positive in this thread and be told “You just got lucky” or whatever.
And no one knows which will happen.
So we may aswell relax and just see what happens in the summer.
It’s not easy for someone else to check, they’d have to look through hundreds of names for yours I think. As for your own vote, what ever you chose is bolded.
I only asked as I genuinely wondered what you’d prefer to happen. But then in the space of 2 minutes you answered one poster saying if ineos keep him they must be insane like you(meaning you’d keep him?) and then answered me saying you’d prefer Tuchel.
We have an insider who claims to know INEOS will appoint Potter or Southgate next season. That would be a weird choice if you are trying to get the best people in.
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@soapythecat is there anyone you think is part of the cult? And could you quote a post so we can see what and why you believe they are? I’d like to see what this viewpoint is exactly related to Ten Hag.
Have you ever visited Salem too?
If Schmeichel didn't save Bergkamp's pen, if Cole didn't get the winner vs Tottenham and if Sheringham didn't equalise in the final, 99 would have been trophyless. Both what you wrote and I wrote: complete waste of time.
If there are some who are ETH ins, I don't think there is a need to belittle them. The main goal as a fanbase is that we want serious improvement
Talks about tone and quality of the thread, then asks him to tag and call out other posters to shame them.
If you want to generate quality discussion, do it yourself and lead by example. Don't encourage a pile on, you're making things worse.
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To be fair Ole took us to 2nd place and did a good job restoring good vibes to the club.
I think the signing of Ronaldo killed him because he had some capable coaches.
Yeah, but I'm asking if it's that simple for people to check why is he asking me
It's a hard one. We've had a terrible season but we've also had to deal with the distraction of a looming takeover all season and have been plagued with injuries. Coupled with the fact that the managerial options at the moment don't seem to be too hot and I think Ineos will decide he will get another season.
Why do both sides have to call each other names a d point score? We all want what’s best for Unitedthe ten hag out camp are literally like the football equivalent of Trump folk.
They literally just make shit up it's actually brilliant.
Ah fair enough.
No, I'm saying that there are different opinions about ten hag but the problem with the conversational terrorists (mainly on the side wanting him out) is that you are insane for thinking anything outside of a sack at seasons end. My question is whether INEOS would hypothetically be crazy if they didn't do that, thats all.
Maybe there's only so many times you can tolerate people making things up about your own posts and calling you names before you draw your own parallels?
Indeed but they have Chelsea away and they need 2 wins. I think they'll just 4-0s as a consolation prize, since 8th or 9th makes no difference.
I dunno, I'm just telling you how easy it is for you to check that's all. Certainly easier than another poster reading through a load of names to see if yours is there.
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100% and I don’t think anyone is confidently in. I wouldn’t even say I’m in. Hopefully my reply to crossy shows that I’m actually very much I don’t care who it is but let’s be clever about it.
Every single post targeted at me I respond to with care an attention unless I’m treated with disdain or disrespect and it’s not worth my time.
If this poster believes there is a cult, then they are far better off highlighting the reasons why by quoting the post and dealing with it directly or by attempting to highlight cult like posters so that we can all understand this imaginary cult.
I think it’s incredibly rich suggesting I don’t try to encourage the quality discussion given what I put up with in this thread and the depth and detail I put into my replies on the whole.
It’s consistently of a far higher standard than that of those suggesting there is a cult.
Do you not also see the irony in choosing this post to wuote and discuss rather than my one about what I’d like to see next year?
Chelsea is at home.
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Can we just ban “cult”.
Its never once been used in a progressive way to discuss in this thread.
It would help us discuss in the thread without getting fed up of it and having to consistently bite tongues which I think ends up causing unnecessary passive aggression in return.
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Ah probably not ITK then
I don't think it's even point scoring anymore, it's just a label. If we start banning labels then people will just resort to using Eth inners and outers again.
I don‘t think I have seen any posters here who‘d support Ten Hag no matter what. But quite a few who won‘t support him no matter what.
Oh, I see. Still likely to not win though.
I just thought it odd to call out what was a fairly innocuous post, that wasn't even aimed at anyone in particular. Is anyone actually offended by the term cultist? Originally it was used in jest, because some kept on arguing in favour of keeping him despite hilariously bad performances.
You literally wished Southgate on the club. Do I start quoting posts from a week back where it's clear you support the manager over the club?
I hope so.
I wish Southgate on those who aren‘t being supportive.
I’d rather inners and outers because that just refers to your opinion of whether he should go or not. Words like “cultist” are not helpful
They wouldn't be crazy. I just think it would make their takeover prove another false dawn. You just dont tend to see managers recover from this sort of death spiral. We’ve been abysmal now for about 15 months. Theres nothing cognitive going on in any aspect of our play on the pitch and he repetitively makes the same mistakes with tactics and team selection. Does an interview with Gary Neville saying theres basically no alternative to leaving us wide open in midfield and then sets out more of a low block today and we are still in the game to the final whistle albeit with little shots.
If we keep him this summer I hope we do well next season because if he isn't then the team isn't but i just cant see it. I don’t hope we continue to be awful just to be vindicated in my opinion that he isnt up to the job.
Even with a couple of injured players back and signings etc I just see more of the same coming and if we carry on like this we’ll end up sacking him come October and Ineos’s inaugral season ends up being like this year or the Ole/RR season and I dont think we can afford that.
It took 35 games, but he finally changed the defensive set up today. If he'd have done that earlier, we'd have a lot more points regardless of injuries.
I think he's stubborn beyond belief, but it seems like the penny has dropped. Let's see if that's enough to keep his job.
I think he's stubborn beyond belief, but it seems like the penny has dropped. Let's see if that's enough to keep his job.
He kind of admitted he wouldn't be able to win the league with the football we played with his second place finish season which was why he changed things things up. Ronaldo didn't help but it was part of the plan to take the club forward and it failed miserably. EtH has basically said the same thing recently that he could have got more points on the table had he been more conservative but it would be bad for the long term project. The last three managers have basically all had the same problem. How much you want to blame the managers or the fact that the recruitment and the player quality simply isn't good enough is up to the individual.
Fair enough. Always thought it was just a bit of fun but can see how some might take it seriously
For me though there is no long term ETH project. I would take this seasons result and placing if I could see what we were trying to do on the pitch and then say ‘ah yeah, he’s trying xyz but some of the players lack quality and will be replaced in coming transfer windows’.
what we are seeing is a team with no midfield, that cant defend, cant score, cant work openings with passing football. Cant really even string 10 passes together. He’s signed a fair few players so far with his finger prints on them and they have largely been garbage or pointless signings.
like what that we are doing on the pitch convinces you that we are in the midst of some sort of long term project?
To be fair there have been turnarounds like that. Arteta was doing quite poorly and it sounded like he‘d be sacked.
Louis van Gaal sacked himself after a very poor season at AZ Alkmaar. The players went to his house and begged him to continue. They won the league next season.
I‘m not convinced Ten Hag is the right man anymore, but I also think it is possible things start clicking and we start doing well.
I’m sure we are far enough down the road to have a proper opinion by now rather than a reactive game by game basis opinion.
Yes possible but i find it unlikely. For me what kills him is the fact it doesn't look like theres any sort of philosophy/style/methodology however we want to label it being coached into the team. We literally are diabolical at every single aspect of football atm.
We press, we try to play out the back, try to attack with speed and numbers. It is clear for all to see.
It is also clear to see we have young players who need time and older players who are struggling.
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