You're so desperate for credibility that you've resorted to changing your stance to "trusting whatever ineos does".
Just hiding behind Ineos.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Just hiding behind Ineos.
In this made up scenario, do they give him a new contract or just let him go into next year with one year left on his current deal?
Who who who
It's quite surprising just how our standards have fallen. I can't imagine another top club allowing a manager to embarrass the club over and over, setting new records in incompetence weekly, and just blindly sticking with him regardless.
Keeping EtH next season (and I think we will) would indicate that we do not have the ambition we once had, and that hoping for a few new faces to boost us into top 4 contention is all they really want.
His tactics and substitutions are baffling to pretty much everyone. His complete delusion just puts the cherry on the cake.
Keeping EtH next season (and I think we will) would indicate that we do not have the ambition we once had, and that hoping for a few new faces to boost us into top 4 contention is all they really want.
His tactics and substitutions are baffling to pretty much everyone. His complete delusion just puts the cherry on the cake.
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We adapted today.
Better recruitment alone would be a huge driver of future success. Imagine singing some physically and technically gifted players for CB, CDM, LB and ST for example. How lovely would it be to be able to say “Rasmus, you’re 20 and came to us injured, take your time, learn the system, the league and get stronger while our experienced ST supports.
Or Kobbie, we think you’re great but you’re 18/19 and we don’t want you to be fecked due to overplaying. So we’re happy to rest you while this competent and similar profiled players takes some of your minutes without a huge drop off.
Or Shaw, we know you can’t play 100% of the mins in the PL so here’s an understudy we think is good enough to still provide those overloads but is also happy to tuck inside from time to time.
Look at how many players City turned over to get to where they are today. Was that all Pep’s doing?
I'm not desperate for shit. If you read my post instead of quoting the opening sentence, you can see what the end goal was.
Just going into next season to prove himself. Nothing more.
I think it's unlikely personally, but just wanted to ask.
Have you placed a vote in this current poll?Do you really think I'm carefully placed on the fence? I'm one of the most staunch defenders of his, but even I see logic behind a sack.
I get idiots tagging me 24/7, I don't think I'm trying to do anything. I think he's still broadly a good coach but that's not enough. People want his career burried in posts
Re: no other qualified candidates available. When Mourinho was about to be sacked, was that a consideration? We ended up going for Ole but I’m lot sure there were many other elite/promising managers available
"If the Ineos hired professionals keep him, then I'm not bloody insane!"
Better today, didn’t throw the kitchen sink at it like we usually do. We should’ve played more conservatively than we have this season, considerably so.
I genuinely can't remember. I don't place value into polls because it's easy to forget tracking sentiment on a poll. I think I voted once and left it.
If INEOS did keep him, I guess they are insane with me, right?
United need 4 points from the last 2 games to avoid worst ever points total, +4 goals to avoid worst goal difference. Most losses ever in a PL season. And somehow the current points total flatters United. Honestly could be 5-6 points worse easily. Yet people will still make excuses for this clown show.
It’s easy enough, do you want him here next year or have you seen enough and want him fired?
Then I would see that as them wanting to get in the door, sit down and plan together as to who the next manager will be with the aim of replacing Ten Hag as soon as they identify the ideal candidate. I don't think that situation benefits Ten Hag and I don't think it would improve things within the playing squad knowing that the manager is running down his final year, we can't keep starting seasons badly, and for those reasons, along with the diabolical season we've just had, I think they'll fire him after the cup final. Clean break, fresh start. New manager gets a preseason and summer to plan with the incoming structure and INEOS.
Who’s fault are they then? Must be the Glazers who set the team up in such a poor way every team has had no problem scoring and walking through us with ease, eh?
I’m not sure who West Ham have next but a win will see them finish above us if we lose our last 2, which is probably likely
As much as I personally want him to turn it around I think someone like Tuchel on a shorter deal is a better way to go. The latter is a lesser risk option, established pedigree and will go back to at least keeping us solid at the back.
They're away to City
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It’s not, yours is though because rather than actually accept the situation the entire club has been in, poor and well below par sporting structures, a leaky Old Trafford, poor training facilities (see Ronaldo comments), money being wasted (by our negotiators) you just think the problem is the manger.
Ten Hag had a very good first season. And was the fastest manager to 50 wins in our history. He’s then had an injury ridden second season and performances and results have suffered more recently since not having any half decent CB available.
We need a best in class structure regardless of manger my point is I don’t think that you could even put Sir Alex, Guardiola or any other manger into “modern” United and be near to City in the league because we don’t have the right structure anymore for success.
Most people believed Ten Hag did a good job last season. This one has been rubbish. But how confident are you that it’s solely him to blame?
So you believe watching 90 mins of football and listening to Sky or whoever else makes you better qualified to understanding the complexities of modern football clubs?
You won’t get a serious answer of “well of course if they decide to stick I’d have to trust their judgment over my own because I’m objectively not more qualified and don’t have access to as much information pertinent to making such a decision” because that would be some semblance of defeat or acceptance or god knows how else it will be labelled.
The reality is none of us know how bad or good he’s done in the full context of the inner workings of the club and none of what any of us believe is of any consequence.
Accepting that this decision will be made one way or another and we have no influence over it is the most rational and I believe least stressful way to look at this.
You don't need to remember, it says it at the top of the page whether you have or haven't.
We also could be 8 pts better off. If we didn’t concede late goals to Chelsea, late goal to Burnley, late goal to Liverpool, late goal to Fulham. Not to mention a few of them being penalties.
Oh
8th it is then
There is a very slim chance that could happen. There is also a very very slim chance that if we give him time + backing, he could turn into SAF. But we must be realistic.
Id trust them to know what they're doing, but it's going to be VERY questionable if they keep him now.
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Seems like the cult are out in force tonight. Must be stoked after only losing 0-1 at OT rather than more than 3. Maybe this is the progress ETH has been telling us we must trust. This time next season…
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But we shouldn’t concern ourselves as to whether or not this suits Ten Hag.
My genuine view here is don’t give him a contract extension but keep him and allow exactly as you describe to happen. Get the best brains available in football together to decide long term strategy and see who is the best manager for that. All the while having an easy to replace candidate in the door whose job will be on the line if he doesn’t do what the new guys want him to do.
It absolutely doesn’t suit Ten Hag but we should never be about one manager at this club. We should have a clear footballing vision that means when we sack Ten Hag or whoever else in future we know the next guy coming in is going to continue the vision not tear it up for tiki takka or giant Fellaini ball or cross gate with Moyes or Ole Ball or whatever chaos ball.
We need a clear and coherent identity and structure that a consistent flow of players from the academy and supplemented by our transfer dealings is well suited to.
And that takes time so id rather not rush the first managerial appointment of that era.
Let's see if Amad and Amrabat actually play on Wednesday after having decent games today.
Based on past experience, I suspect they won't if a couple of players are back from injury, and that's another reason why I don't think he really deserves more time.
Based on past experience, I suspect they won't if a couple of players are back from injury, and that's another reason why I don't think he really deserves more time.
It’s posts like this why this whole thread is a shitshow. As soon as you dare to offer any different opinion, you are called a cultist. It’s a fecking cheap jibe and shows certain posters. can’t debate the points raised. Pathetic stuff.
If they keep him, and we do badly next season, they are insane. If they keep him, and we start well, then they’re not. It’s a gamble and only they will know if they feel it’s worth taking. Both the people INEOS hired and Ten Hag need to show us they are good enough for a club like United.
See what u did there.
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You’re completely missing the point, arguing against a position that doesn’t exist, and lowering the tone and quality of this thread with this post.
Who do you mean by “the cult” let’s tag them or talk to them and see if we can debate their views together because i can’t find anyone “stoked” by tonight’s result. Can you? Please tag them or quote their post.
As I said in another post in here there's a few that need to follow @el3mel out the door.
We have had way more games where we were lucky to get the points than games in which we were unlucky to drop points. Even in the list above we could have easily lost both Burnley and Liverpool games, should not have got got 4 point away to them and fluked a win at Fulham big time.
Who?
I dont think you quite got what I mean, I don't care for polls beyond a quick click. If it's that easy for someone to check, why would they even ask me? They could see it themselves
Brighton can finish above us still with 2 wins.Oh
8th it is then
This is about the most reasonable and rational response I've heard. I don't need to know whether you're ten hag in or ten hag out, it's just a simple way of looking at a hypothetical. Cheers.
@crossy1686 - this was the rational response.
No I mean it's easy for you to check, if you have voted in it there will a little tick next to what you voted, so even if you can't remember voting it doesn't matter because it's easy to check it
Are the cult here in the room with us?
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