Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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AndySmith1990 said:
It'd be as meaningless as the time Di Matteo won the champions league, or when Avram Grant was a penalty kick away from winning it
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So if we beat City in the final that would mean nothing to you?
hobbers said:
Best team in the world but in a neck and neck 3 way title fight, and just lost in the CL semis.

Literally only reason he's saying that because he thinks it'll make Erik Ten Hag, man, myth, baldfraud, legend, look less incompetent when he loses. Again.
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@hobbers they’re the best in the world. They are cheaters, but they are the best.
 
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Is this his “football heritage” moment? I tried to look past it when there were slivers of it here and there but ETH comes across as quite arrogant for a guy who has achieved feck all at the very highest level
 
So what gives us the best chance of winning the final?

1. No disruption, let Ten Hag manage until the final then sack him after it.
2. Sack him now and hope for a new manager bounce, if the new manager is available (lets presume its Potter)
3. Sack him, and let Steve McLaren be interim until after the final.
4. Sack him and ask Ole to do us a favour for the final games/final.
 
crossy1686 said:
So what gives us the best chance of winning the final?

1. No disruption, let Ten Hag manage until the final then sack him after it.
2. Sack him now and hope for a new manager bounce, if the new manager is available (lets presume its Potter)
3. Sack him, and let Steve McLaren be interim until after the final.
4. Sack him and ask Ole to do us a favour for the final games/final.
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We're not sacking him in late April.

Our best bet is sheer luck on the day.
 
stevoc said:
I do but I'm just playing your tedious accusation game mate.


It is true though, Ten Hag has control over targets and veto over signings. No one has been signed that he didn't identify or accept as an alternative. This is his squad for the most part, he's spent £450m ffs.


I'm happy to end the discussion here mate, because ironically I don't believe you are discussing in good faith. If you are fair enough, but I don't feel like continuing.

Good night, no hard feelings.
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I was the only one of us debating in good faith, you started off barely doing so and snowballed to full on strawmanning.

But agreed, no hard feelings, I think we're all miserable after today's performance.
 
Not being funny but Potter or Southgate couldn’t serve up any worse performances.
 
Giggsy13 said:
I just don’t see how Alonso would even consider the United job when he’s already turned down the liverpool job. Yes, so far so good from INEOS but it’s uncertain whether the new structure will be successful, there will inevitably be bumps along the way. Liverpool are far more stable from a structure standpoint ant the moment and likely would’ve backed Alonso with a huge transfer budget yet he still turned it down. He’ll be patient and doesn’t need to rush his next job, and certainly not to United when Madrid maybe looking to replace Ancelotti in a few years.

Zidane has already stated he has no interest in managing in England and I think that position doesn’t change despite whatever efforts INEOS make.

The United job is very much a poisoned chalice at the moment. It destroys and tears down good managers. The footballing structure may change that perception but I suspect many managers will give second thought to managing United until they see a commitment to keeping the new structure and whether it delivers success in the transfer market.
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No, it just exposes past it managers and frauds. We've genuinely not had a good manager since Fergie.
 
Giggsy13 said:
The United job is very much a poisoned chalice at the moment. It destroys and tears down good managers.
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When did it tear down a good manager?

Moyes was firmly put back in his place. LVG was washed up and way past it. Mourinho was washed up and too bitter. Ole would struggle to keep the Norway national team job for longer than 1 tournament and will never manage a Prem team again. ETH has done literally nothing in his career that De Boer didn't accomplish, save one fluke CL semi final run (getting knocked out in the groups every other year)

ETH was the first and only appointment we made for the right reasons under the right principles but we got the wrong guy. He even pulled the rug on us in terms of the style of football he pitched in his job interview. Shit happens.
 
ETH has been given an impossible job. I’m not sure there are many managers out there that would succeed with the platform United have given them.

If Ten Hag had inherited the current city team and its structure, he would have been successful.
 
Post match presser…he’s got that ominous look of a defeated man who know he can’t take this club forward.
 
We're approaching a point where it's difficult to envisage how anyone could possibly do a worse job. As in lower league manager level.
 
Moston Red said:
ETH has been given an impossible job. I’m not sure there are many managers out there that would succeed with the platform United have given them.

If Ten Hag had inherited the current city team and its structure, he would have been successful.
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Hi Eric.
 
pocco said:
I'm not looking to gloat. To be honest I hate nothing more than United fans being divided as it has been for the last 10 years. But I do firmly believe somebody could get us looking well coached within half a season. Not saying it would be successful instantly, but the signs would be there. I honestly do think there's just been an accumulation of different issues over the years, and most of our managers just weren't up to it for different reasons. They have been hampered by players, Woodward etc but I don't think we're just so unlucky that the 100s of players we've had over 10 years are just simply not coachable. And I think this group is one of our best in the last 10 years because some of the past signings that we've not accumulated are solid, and we've got a good crop of youngsters that have come through and look like they could be top level if handled correctly.
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I think we just fundamentally disagree on the bit in bold. It's possible we could have a new manager bounce or a purple match, but to have us mastering a new system that's sustainable without burnout won't happen, and the pressure at United is levels above any other club in the league so we'll have to persevere through the downs to get to the consistent ups.
 
Moston Red said:
If Ten Hag had inherited the current city team and its structure, he would have been successful.
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So would I.

But give Hag six months coaching his "principles" and "system", rapidly accumulating injuries and baffling everyone with his game management, and see how long that success lasts.
 
INEOS might just allow us a shot at the final if they sack him now. Any manager will spark some purposeful change. The players don’t believe in themselves under ETH.
 
hobbers said:
So would I.

But give Hag six months coaching his "principles" and "system", rapidly accumulating injuries and baffling everyone with his game management, and see how long that success lasts.
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I don't think you would, you'd be lost in the first minute! :lol:
 
Absolutely farcical that Sancho, pellestri, Hannibal and DVB are all out on loan when we had that bench today.
 
The Hilton said:
I was the only one of us debating in good faith, you started off barely doing so and snowballed to full on strawmanning.

But agreed, no hard feelings, I think we're all miserable after today's performance.
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I feel the same way on both counts mate. But lets not hold a grudge.
 
clarkydaz said:
The players gave him 30 minutes ofthe first game, and then checked out
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They didn't just instantly check out, that's nonsense. Ralph was a tool of the highest order and as soon as things went bad, he started throwing the players under the bus. They gave up because he gave up and didn't give a shit.
 
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