Some people would sooner get straight to the point than waffle on for half a page. He's also telling the truth because he is a loser that's why we're all having this "Discussion"
Everything has been said a million times anyway and I'm bored of having to scroll past pages of such as you waffling on about how good he is.
I was unaware of his previous posts. Having asked him to explain his view he then did and even showed me where his view had changed and how. That’s a far more fruitful experience for all involved as I now understand him far better.
Why is he a loser?
Im not sure I’ve seen anyone saying how good he is and “waffling” about it. Can you show me where I have done this?
You know exactly why he feels like he does. It's been done to death and he doesn't have to explain anything to anybody.
Are you just being dumb or a wum because I know exactly why he feels like he does just from his post!
I did not. It came across as just a poor reactionary post that added nothing of value. Now having asked about it I understand why a fellow fan feels how they do. I even agree with him on some points if you care to look at the subsequent conversation.
Im clearly not dumb or winding up. If we’re going to be critical of Ten Hag which we absolutely should be, then I’d like to understand why people feel the way they do.
If we’re just going to call him names we may aswell look on X.
Your posts are not adding anything to the discussion either you're just being pompous because the guy didn't write a 15000 word essay to express his disgust at the manager making yet more excuses.
As I said in my other post you're either thick or you're wumming because any normal person doesn't need to make this much fuss about someone deciding to express himself in a perfectly understandable way rather than write a novel about it.
Stop looking for an argument and winding someone up who's obviously already pissed off!
I think you’ll find they have added the context behind why he felt that way, where I agree with the poster RE:Newcastle and where we have slight disagreements RE:West Ham.
As a result of posting I know exactly why the poster feels how they do, agree with them on some points and can see their true intentions and feelings in a more friendly and respectful environment. A win for all.
Without wanting to speak for Fortuna, I presume it was the same as it was for many (most?) of us. An entire season of incompetence.
Excuses could be made for the first few months of the season. There were very worrying signs, but there were also mitigating circumstances. We did have a truly ridiculous injury list all over the field then, we had a keeper who had a very rough start which was costing us, and we were playing a new style and formation that might either improve or the manager might modify.
The longer things continued, the worse it became for ETH. This last couple of months in particular. We've generally been playing one game a week so there's been both more rest and more chances for ETH to train the players in what he wants, and we've regularly been able to field 8 or 9 of our strongest 11 (albeit leftback and one of the centreback spots have consistently been way down the pecking order).
Here's my own post from January:
That was the turning point for a lot of people. There was a brief period of small improvement (even then we played terribly in some of the games we won), but since then we've hit new lows. Dreadful performances where teams with much thinner squads and more injuries are dominating us, continuing to lean into this ridiculously open midfield, our control of games is the worst it's been in PL history, our attack shows no signs whatsoever of any kind of combinations or interplay, our goal difference is literally in the negative, and we're actually quite lucky to be as high on the table as we are.
All this at a time where ETH had more time on the training field with the players than at any other time in his two years here. It is an incredibly bad sign and it's extremely difficult to see him coming back from this.
Fortuna has very kindly shown me an insight into the key moments that led them to feeling their obvious frustration and dislike of Ten Hag as manager.
Thank you also for sharing your sort of turning point in the season too. It’s really interesting I think how that January period is analysed because especially during that period we were on a great winning run.
If you don’t mind, what were the performances from the bit in bold you are referring to?
With regards to our attack since the new year we’ve scored 37 goals in 16 games 2.315 goals per game which I believe correlates to the more open style of play. It looks like Ten Hag is prioritising attack more since January and we’re getting more goals as a result. Unfortunately we don’t have the players in the defensive unit to enable this team to sustain attacks by winning the ball back before it reaches our box.
I agree it will be incredibly difficult to come back from this. But I do think with a few key additions (that can remain fit) we’ll see a big improvement.
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