Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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This already feels like the summer of 2013 when Moyes came in. Worrying but we'll see what happens until August :rolleyes:
 
First sign of trouble was when he started talking about a squad that finished second and improving them, the second sign was Rangnick leaving. This summer will be a complete cluster feck on the same scale as Moyes' first summer where he aimed to sign Kroos and Bale and we ended up with Fellaini.

New manager about to be let down at the first opportunity to sort out this club.



The depression is contiguous
 
Would love it if he walked due to lack of backing and broken promises. Joel and Avram got way too comfortable having a yes man like Ole in charge.
 
Everyone agrees to give Ten Hag time. I would assume that would include transfers as well. But now, some are already panicking and asking questions and claiming this and that. We shouldn't be adding undue pressure on Ten Hag unless he is coming out and saying he is frustrated with the transfer situation. Right now, it appears more like people deciding how he is feeling and what he wants. Do we really know?
 
Would love it if he walked due to lack of backing and broken promises. Joel and Avram got way too comfortable having a yes man like Ole in charge.
How is he not being backed? He’s asked us to sign Frenkie De Jong from Barcelona, that’s not an easy transfer and by all accounts the club are working on it.
 
How is he not being backed? He’s asked us to sign Frenkie De Jong from Barcelona, that’s not an easy transfer and by all accounts the club are working on it.

1 signing is only replacing Pogba.

Still Greenwood to replace.

And then we need to get into replacing the actual shite players. Lots to do.

Just getting FDJ wouldn't be backing him in the context of what is required
 
1 signing is only replacing Pogba.

Still Greenwood to replace.

And then we need to get into replacing the actual shite players. Lots to do.

Just getting FDJ wouldn't be backing him in the context of what is required
I’m not saying it is, but if you think backing him means signing every player we need in one window then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. De Jong plus two others and he can have no complaints given it’ll likely be an outlay of 120-135 million.
 
I’m not saying it is, but if you think backing him means signing every player we need in one window then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. De Jong plus two others and he can have no complaints given it’ll likely be an outlay of 120-135 million.

I think you very much could have complaints with that. 3-5 year rebuilds don't work anymore.

When you consider the context of what we lost due to the club being terribly run and Greenwood being scum you can't say this is a normal window.

The above would be a great window for building on a good Foundation. This team doesn't have that. Not even close.

5+ good additions needed if we want to really ensure we are fighting for top 4.
 
Day 9 of the transfer window and we're already at the "hope the manager leaves in protest" stage of absolute fecking meltdown :lol:
 
1 signing is only replacing Pogba.

Still Greenwood to replace.

And then we need to get into replacing the actual shite players. Lots to do.

Just getting FDJ wouldn't be backing him in the context of what is required

Yeah and a big club like us should be working on multiple deals at a time with many options and not relying on 1 deal to go through for making other deals.

My assumption is ETH is very professional and would’ve communicated the list of players with plan A and B , either our board is really inefficient to complete the deals or the selling clubs making it difficult to strike a deal. I suspect the former is reason since there are whole new bunch of people working now.
 
I think you very much could have complaints with that. 3-5 year rebuilds don't work anymore.

When you consider the context of what we lost due to the club being terribly run and Greenwood being scum you can't say this is a normal window.

The above would be a great window for building on a good Foundation. This team doesn't have that. Not even close.

5+ good additions needed if we want to really ensure we are fighting for top 4.
5 good additions is a bit much to expect. The going rate for good players these days is like 50 million. You can’t expect us to spend 250 odd million in one window.
 
Yeah and a big club like us should be working on multiple deals at a time with many options and not relying on 1 deal to go through for making other deals.

My assumption is ETH is very professional and would’ve communicated the list of players with plan A and plan B , either our board is really inefficient to complete the deals or the selling clubs making it difficult to strike a deal. I suspect the former is reason since there are whole new bunch of people working now.
His number one target could cost 75 million and that’s obviously going to dictate which players can sign afterwards.
 
Yeah, dusted football club really. We're doing feck all next season and all the positive believers will need another six months to figure it out.
 
We have no idea if he is or isn’t yet. A single signing certainly wouldn’t show backing after the club finished 6th and lost 5 players for free
It won’t be a single signing though. You’d imagine our transfer plans if we sign De Jong will be different to if we don’t, given he’s going to cost 60% of our budget. And there’s no reason to believe he isn’t being backed, all of LVG/Jose/Ole spent big in their first summers.
 
It won’t be a single signing though. You’d imagine our transfer plans if we sign De Jong will be different to if we don’t, given he’s going to cost 60% of our budget.
I have no idea what our budget is and what the club will do
 
The United Stand shared that murmurings have begun that Erik Ten Hag is starting to get a bit frustrated. Those murmurings probably come from the fans and media. So the negativity has already started without Ten Hag even saying anything?
 
5 good additions is a bit much to expect. The going rate for good players these days is like 50 million. You can’t expect us to spend 250 odd million in one window.

Maybe that's just because we are poorly run. And yes expectations for spend should be higher when we have the worst squad we have had in a long long time.

Look at January. We spend nothing. Almost all our rivals improved. There are levels to football and while people make excuses about why we can't do things the simple fact is the club just aren't bothered to.

They aren't trying to get to the top again. Sure they'd like to but they are only hoping it magically happens.

Also there are often really good players going cheap or free. We never get them though as we are always miles being in the market compared to others.
 
Day 9 of the transfer window and we're already at the "hope the manager leaves in protest" stage of absolute fecking meltdown :lol:

Mad isn’t it?!

Journalists, media outlets and one particularly shouty YouTuber have sections of our fanbase on strings.
 
The United Stand shared that murmurings have begun that Erik Ten Hag is starting to get a bit frustrated. Those murmurings probably come from the fans and media. So the negativity has already started without Ten Hag even saying anything?
Problem is fans getting impatient is how we just end up signing bodies not the right players. Then the same fans will have another thing to moan about. We need the right players and it will not just be in one transfer window.
 
Problem is fans getting impatient is how we just end up signing bodies not the right players. Then the same fans will have another thing to moan about. We need the right players and it will not just be in one transfer window.

Exactly. So if we really intend to give Ten Hag more time, we should not be putting undue pressure on him. Let him do his job!
 
Mad isn’t it?!

Journalists, media outlets and one particularly shouty YouTuber have sections of our fanbase on strings.
And what happens when we sign De Jong and one other, two at most? Will you come down from your high horse (or rather come out from under the Glazers' desk) to admit you were wrong and we are not doing nearly enough?

I doubt it, it'll be just like the OGS apologists who disappeared when even Stevie Wonder could see he was useless.
 
Oh but they do. the truest thing Ralph said was that it will take 3-4 windows
And way more than 250m. We could actaully spend 250m this window if we spend what we nornally spend and then also use the amortised value of 50m savings we have made in annual salaries. It would still take 3/4 windows or did he say 2/3 can’t remember now
 
I’m not saying it is, but if you think backing him means signing every player we need in one window then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. De Jong plus two others and he can have no complaints given it’ll likely be an outlay of 120-135 million.

Provided those other two is a proper DM and someone who can play on the right whether it's RWB or RW.Now obviously we still have issues at CB & ST as well but won't sign all that in one go.
 
Would love it if he walked due to lack of backing and broken promises. Joel and Avram got way too comfortable having a yes man like Ole in charge.
In a sea of reactionary nonsense. This particularly stands out. Congrats for that.
 
This already feels like the summer of 2013 when Moyes came in. Worrying but we'll see what happens until August :rolleyes:
And Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the title by 11 points. Ten Hags inherited a squad that's just had the worse season in prem history. It's looking like mid to lower table struggles unless Ten Hag is a miracle worker. There will not be one shred of blame on Ten Hag if United are lower table come next May. All this is on the Glazers.
 
And Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the title by 11 points. Ten Hags inherited a squad that's just had the worse season in prem history. It's looking like mid to lower table struggles unless Ten Hag is a miracle worker. There will not be one shred of blame on Ten Hag if United are lower table come next May. All this is on the Glazers.
Yes he would, because this is not a lower table squad. It even managed to get into Europe under the worst manager in the clubs history and Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

If Ten Hag can’t bring an improvement on the dross we’ve been served up since December then he’ll unarguably deserve masses of criticism.
 
First game on the tour vs Liverpool could be blessing in disguise, much needed splash of cold water for ETH and call to act even further than just current clearout.

Him of all post SAF managers should conclude best response.
 
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