What a fecking disaster. Losing at home to a shite Palace in a must win game.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Starting to lose faith now.
I know we have injuries but we should still have enough to beat Roy Hodgson's Crystal Palace at home!
It's starting to feel far too toxic and similar to the end of other Managers time here.
Top five feels very unlikely now.
I know we have injuries but we should still have enough to beat Roy Hodgson's Crystal Palace at home!
It's starting to feel far too toxic and similar to the end of other Managers time here.
Top five feels very unlikely now.
Glazers must be loving it. Here we are 10 years after SAF arguing about sacking another manager while they don’t put any money out of their pocket, don’t invest in the infrastructure, keep a failed recruitment team and board, take dividends out of the club. Yet some fans believe that bringing in another manager and giving him a limited budget is the answer 
Don’t expect any change under any manager until the club is sold.
Don’t expect any change under any manager until the club is sold.
I suspect that last one will be scratched in exactly 1 month time.
Okay, so sack him and get someone else in. Why stick with something that isn’t working and won’t work?
Fantastic post
Burnley was a unconvincing win...
Then came a convincing win against a Palace...
Now a defeat to Palace who parked the bus after a thunderbolt from a set piece...
Not sure what to make of it all really? No one can say Palace deserved the victory, but I couldn't see a United goal coming even if they played until midnight.
Then came a convincing win against a Palace...
Now a defeat to Palace who parked the bus after a thunderbolt from a set piece...
Not sure what to make of it all really? No one can say Palace deserved the victory, but I couldn't see a United goal coming even if they played until midnight.
People said the exact same thing about Ten Hag when he was at Ajax.
Has to be questioned now. He is not doing a good job now.
Club is just so toxic atm I honestly feel no one could succeed here
Okay so hire the new vogue hipster manager, if he bombs then sack him hire the new new vogue hipster manager until one of them has a clue what they’re doing.
I will defend him for pretty much everything but playing Rashford and Bruno.
Interesting that these same players seem to play great for their national teams.
Well I'm still on board. I just think that the disaster has come from putting the guy in control of transfers when this should have been DoF. The signings are a big cause for concern. We've been desperate for someone in midfield like Amrabat and yet that kind of player isn't a priority and is signed as an emergency loan.
I still think EtH is a good coach, the kind of losses we have had aren't the complete capitulations we had under Ole, most of these have been tight, scrappy games and even City can struggle against teams like Palace that just camp inside their own area. We don't have the pulling power and infrastructure to get in the players that we have needed and i'm annoyed by Mount and Antony. I do think EtH should be doing better though, he deserves more time.
I still think EtH is a good coach, the kind of losses we have had aren't the complete capitulations we had under Ole, most of these have been tight, scrappy games and even City can struggle against teams like Palace that just camp inside their own area. We don't have the pulling power and infrastructure to get in the players that we have needed and i'm annoyed by Mount and Antony. I do think EtH should be doing better though, he deserves more time.
We're talking about the club that hired Rafa and Lopetegui, yeah?Flavour of the month? Ask Madrid what they think and why they’re talking to his team about replacing Ancelotti.
It's a moot point taking about him going any time soon though. For various reasons he will almost certainly be here until the end of this season at least.
Sleeping into oblivion this club
Remember the last decade of the same toxic cycle? Who are the common denominators...
‘Sack him’ isn’t going to solve much, but ‘Back him’ hasn’t either.
He’s clearly not the man to build a squad capable of challenging, and he shouldn’t have nearly as influential of a role in signings.
He’s clearly not the man to build a squad capable of challenging, and he shouldn’t have nearly as influential of a role in signings.
Bought poorly. Could have had Harry Kane. Instead We bought A young unknown with a bad back.
Which is good. If we have to go through the pain of a terrible season to help force the cnuts out then so be it.
The ownership is to blame and so are the directors but he’s blown money on a load of his ex players that are nowhere near good enough and win or lose ultimately the football is generally shite
Im ETH out.
Im ETH out.
He continually starts Rashford, signed Mount when we had bigger issues, tries to play him with Bruno, so slow with substitutions…. Had high hopes for him but his inability to see the shite Rashford delivers week in and week out, plus the signing of Mount made me lose all faith in him. Clubs fecked. No 1 is gonna make challengers out of this group, at this club with the toxic amateurish culture that’s engrained from the very top.
In hindsight, would have kept Ole and asked him to go back to basics with counter attacking football, wouldn't make progress but at least wouldn't take a nosedive.
Well we did sign a 50 year old hipster manager who had never managed outside the Dutch league.
Won't be hard to upgrade on that
You think Kane would've chosen us over guaranteed silverware in Munich?
Not a single player should be undroppable.
Bruno and Rashford should have stayed out of todays line up
Bruno and Rashford should have stayed out of todays line up
Bald coach with a dream,
Victories at the first stream,
Then fell from the beam.
Team's hopes began to swell,
Under his guidance they excelled,
But soon, his reign fell.
Once, success was their call,
But a downfall overtook all,
Bald manager's rise and fall.
Victories at the first stream,
Then fell from the beam.
Team's hopes began to swell,
Under his guidance they excelled,
But soon, his reign fell.
Once, success was their call,
But a downfall overtook all,
Bald manager's rise and fall.
Ole was doing okay up until they forced Ronaldo on him and he completely lost the dressing room.
He shouldn't be in charge of recruitment.
I guess give it to Carrick or Rooney until end of the season?
Really? Given current projectory, we could be languishing around the bottoms 3 or in bottom 3 when we play City. He’s not coming back from this.
We were shite before that.
Completely agree. We spend all summer breaking the ownership down and all the issues they bring. How difficult they make it for any manager to run the club effectively.Glazers must be loving it. Here we are 10 years after SAF arguing about sacking another manager while they don’t put any money out of their pocket, don’t invest in the infrastructure, keep a failed recruitment team and board, take dividends out of the club. Yet some fans believe that bringing in another manager and giving him a limited budget is the answer
Don’t expect any change under any manager until the club is sold.
Then as soon as things go wrong on the pitch it’s ten hags fault, or it’s Bruno’s fault, or it’s Rashford or it’s mount. The rot starts from the top and it’s been proven over and over again under 5 managers and 50 players.
9 points after 7 games and our 3 against wolves was pure luck. He has one hell of a job on his hands.
Mejbri has run his arse off for 3 matches
It's at least 50% SD/DOF (and by extension the board) where manager has authority to indulge in favourites and create incoherent squad profile but isn't backed to dispose of squad ballast or (i'm extrapolating a little but it seems this way) given authority to take on 'prestige' players in bad form: squad profile isnt great, especially with leggy Case.
But it's also at least close to half ETH's fault. As people have discussed, there's just so little evidence of patterns around the box for opening up space, for creating moves to release players down the inside channel for incoming players to try and meet cu-backs or to work off other players. They may be over-rated technically in general, but there are lots of managers in Europe, not even all at prestige sides, who get a better tune out of players against a low-block, just improving their interplay and ideas, as well as also coaching quicker, more efficient transitions. Again, we're so slow to spot runners (Hojlund had several chances to be released following turnover and we just played it zombie-like back sideways and back towards our goal). It's habit honed through training as well as the kind of attitude which Ange at Tottenham, for instance, has in terms of taking properly calculated risks to play positively.
ETH's not the first manager to feign tactical sophistication whilst actually playing relatively inefficient and cowardly football once a couple of player streaks came come to an end or one key player starts to experience physical decline. We had a good 20+ years of SAF instructing the team to 'go out and entertain' and to go for the jugular, and winning more often than not. You can do that and still ensure players are coached day in and out in order to play fast one and two touch football- we dont' seem to have found a manager who can assemble a coaching team to direct a style that's both quick and also not scattershot
But it's also at least close to half ETH's fault. As people have discussed, there's just so little evidence of patterns around the box for opening up space, for creating moves to release players down the inside channel for incoming players to try and meet cu-backs or to work off other players. They may be over-rated technically in general, but there are lots of managers in Europe, not even all at prestige sides, who get a better tune out of players against a low-block, just improving their interplay and ideas, as well as also coaching quicker, more efficient transitions. Again, we're so slow to spot runners (Hojlund had several chances to be released following turnover and we just played it zombie-like back sideways and back towards our goal). It's habit honed through training as well as the kind of attitude which Ange at Tottenham, for instance, has in terms of taking properly calculated risks to play positively.
ETH's not the first manager to feign tactical sophistication whilst actually playing relatively inefficient and cowardly football once a couple of player streaks came come to an end or one key player starts to experience physical decline. We had a good 20+ years of SAF instructing the team to 'go out and entertain' and to go for the jugular, and winning more often than not. You can do that and still ensure players are coached day in and out in order to play fast one and two touch football- we dont' seem to have found a manager who can assemble a coaching team to direct a style that's both quick and also not scattershot
This.
What was last season then? The Glazers don't own all the blame. This manager still has things he can control.
When will people realise it doesn’t matter who the fecking manager is nothing will change until the ownership does. Chopping and changing managers constantly will only achieve very short term and limited gains, i.e top 4 and the odd cup of we’re lucky before turning to shit again after 2 or 3 seasons. The clubs rotten to the core, the structure and entire set up is wrong and until that changes we’ll be seeing the same results over and over again.
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