We’ve also made every player look shit. How can people say the problem is everything but the club at this stage? At some point they have to just stop looking outside the club for the answers.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I think he adapted well last year to make us a winning team, without the players that suited his personal style of football. That alone makes him a good coach, in my eyes.
I can see clear progress in how we are playing this season, especially in the last few games vs the first. He is missing his starting CB, CM and RW, I think we are going to continue looking good going forward, and stabilise defensively in midfield and defence, he just needs some time.
Mount stinks of the Mata signing. A player United could get and it was that player or nobody better. That’s the United way, sign players managers didn’t exactly want, managers have to publicly support the signings and fans argue about why the manager wanted that signing when it turns out bad.
I can see progress aswell, I hope ETH can get past this over reaction period so a fully fit squad can get going and show us what it can do under him.
It was inevitable that he was going to have period of poor results at some stage again.
Whatever the reasons, and there appear to be numerous, we will get to see what he is really made of when the chips are down and the pressure is on.
It’s quite unbelievable how you can go from Hero to Zero in football management in such a short space of time.
However, we have a team and squad of very experienced and well paid international players and they also need to step up more.
Like all good runs come to an end, this poor run has also got to end. What’s most worrying is that we are unable to dominate teams for any sustained period at the moment and seem to be full of silly errors.
We need to back and support ETH now more than ever as he will come good again.
Whatever the reasons, and there appear to be numerous, we will get to see what he is really made of when the chips are down and the pressure is on.
It’s quite unbelievable how you can go from Hero to Zero in football management in such a short space of time.
However, we have a team and squad of very experienced and well paid international players and they also need to step up more.
Like all good runs come to an end, this poor run has also got to end. What’s most worrying is that we are unable to dominate teams for any sustained period at the moment and seem to be full of silly errors.
We need to back and support ETH now more than ever as he will come good again.
He feels a lot like LVG to me, never his fault, always the players. He had no charisma either and I have wondered myself how these comments, coupled with his treatment of some players and the failing tactics, will go down with the players. I'm sure it has crossed their minds that they're being hung out to dry a bit. But I also suspect this is why he's surrounded himself with his players, to prevent unrest and protect his position.
I agree with all of this. I think the fans and club got a bit over excited with ETH and, when you look a bit closer, there were potential red flags already.
With regards to your last point, last season I reached the point where I was questioning the tactics against what we were told by his fans that he would be. Numerous times I asked Ajax fans and others to try to help me understand his plans and how it was conducive to the type of football we thought he'd bring. Nobody could give me an answer other than 'we're clearly trying to be a possession team but just need more players'. Ajax fans said things about him that made me question our direction even more, said he's stubborn, some said many Ajax fans were actually glad to see the back of him in some ways.
Personally I think he's over confident and simply believes that his tactics will win the game if followed perfectly. But it gives no leeway for coming up against a team who also have a good plan. In reality it feels like many managers have his number, it's just whether their players can carry out the plan. Even the smaller teams. He just either can't recognise this or genuinely believes any failure was just down to our players not following the plan like finely tuned robots. But there are obvious problems with his tactics even to us supporters.
Getting players to perform to their level and follow instructions is surely the main aspect of his job? It's certainly not just picking the squad on the day and that's that.
It would appear he's struggling to motivate some in the team. The players need looking at too but it's still a managerial issue.
You're quite right with the Antony fee being on the club but it's partly on Erik too as he must have seen him as a crucial 'whatever it takes' player instead of reaching a point at eg £60m where he realises Antony's being grossly overpriced and he'd be better off using the funds elsewhere, maybe on two players instead.
My confidence in Erik has taken a bit of a hit but calls for him to be sacked are ridiculous.
Some players aren't capable of playing at the required level, McTominay is a prime example, he just is not capable of performing in the system. What do you do if you have lots of injuries and have to play certain players? You can't just motivate anyone to become more than they are capable of, that's not how football works.
We've seen McTominay play better than his current sulky form so it's a lie to say he can't play to a required level. I agree he can't play in this current system exactly as it is so the manager has to tailor it to him or play someone else like Hannibal. He's doing neither unless the diamond was that attempt but it made no sense as just exposed his weaknesses.
We've won titles with worse players than McTominay. Let's not pretend playing him or other squad players is an automatic loss. That's why the squad is there.
Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for ETH it's a bad situation but he's not handling it well and ultimately all managers do have to deal with such times. It isn't so simple as he has good or bad players to select from so win/loss.
Yeah I think you could be right with this. It seemed such an odd transfer. I think it was silly to pay the price we paid for him too. We just have to hope he settles when he's back from injury.
Erik needs to find a solution to our current form or we will be looking for a new manager come Christmas again.
One thing I don't understand on a separate note with regards to the keeper. Since he got lobbed in pre season he has been stuck to his line like glue. Do we think he's been told to stay on his line? I know he will come forward with the ball a bit but nothing like the early few games.
Team leaks are back again.
Has Maguires fingerprints all over this leak. Dean Hendo is out, Rashford plays every game. Shaw is injured.
Groundhog day.
Great, Groundhog Day again
Here we go again, leaks leaks leaks and not to mention an agenda by the media, Samuel being the top of the tree, he never approved of ETH in the first place
Here we go again.
Will be an ETH inner till the end but am very awake to the possibility we might find out we have bottled the first couple hundred mil of the rebuild. Hopefully we get loaded owners who don't mind restarting another new rebuild with the lessons we have learned. More football savvy people in the hierarchy and let them help him with or without his approval.
Maguire, McTominay, Sancho.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Rashford tbh.
Go on. Do share.
What?
He's got a decimated squad at the moment, let's see what happens when he has a fully fit squad, in the meantime, let's hope that come January some of the obvious cliques in the dressing room clearly trying to undermine the manager are out of the club once and for all.
What led you to that conclusion?
100%. the problem is the club and it always will be while the Glazers remain.
I think it’s the most logical conclusion. Whenever people start to get at him his PR team strikes, trying to shift the blame for his shit performances and lack of effort. Happened under Ole, Jose and Rangnick. His PR is unrivalled, it’s unbelievable people still actually fall for it.
Yes. The player who starts every week and is constantly praised by his manager is definitely the first one I thought of when hearing about players moaning about being unfairly criticised. Nice agenda.
It’ll be Sancho’s agent talking bullshit. Or made up nonsense by Luckhurst. The sooner we start winning the sooner this bullshit will stop for a bit.
Rashford must be annoyed that ten hag always plays his favourites, even though he always plays. Great theory.
keep playing those two and expecting the same result is the definition of stupidity.
I'd say throw Hannibal in on Saturday. If he fails at least it wont be because lack of effort
Exactly the club waited and waited until the team was beaten comfortably a few times, then panicked and overpaid...how that is EtH's fault is beyond me.
Unless you expect the United manager to coach, scout, negotiate deals and discipline the squad, while everyone else at the club gets off without taking any responsibility whatsoever.
I’ll bet any money this is Scott’s leak.
This is why the squad needed a clear out. The same snakes will throw another manager under the bus so they can all stay together and rinse the club dry.
This is why the squad needed a clear out. The same snakes will throw another manager under the bus so they can all stay together and rinse the club dry.
If true, it does not bode well. Ask Jose Mourinho
He criticised Rashford (indirectly) for the Sane goal post the Bayern game for a lack of determination.
Who ever the leak is, he has no place on our club.
Like clockwork. So predictable
Easy to figure out who they are. January can't come quick enough.I hope people don't underestimate how big this story is.
If this is true, it basically signals the start of the end for him.
If this is true, it basically signals the start of the end for him.
That’s their problem now, there’s so many players out injured or signed by Ten Hag that could even be his favourites that it shines a light on who’s left.Like clockwork. So predictable
I’m guessing they wanted hand jobs and steak dinners all round for their performances this season. Imo they haven’t been criticised enough
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