You know things are bad when we're hoping that a kid from the reserves who had a decent pre-season and a 20 year old who's only scored 9 league goals are expected to be our saviours.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Eth has had ample funds to buy a top striker, he decided to allocate his transfer kitty to buying antony for 100 million and half of this season's budget on Mount. Tottenham just lost their world class striker and their new manager doesn't have problems with getting his team playing in a cohesive and organised way to score goals with only richarlson as his only main stay striker.
There are no excuses for the shit that is being served up. He has this season to prove he's got what it takes and if the results continue to nosedive and we struggle to win away from home against the top 9 then he needs to be moved on. He's spent over 400 million for christ sake, it's no ones fault but his own that we don't have a world class striker
Please can we forget this "boyhood man utd fan" nonsense. It means nothing these days
It's spurs away. It's a tough game, Kane or no Kane. They have a good team and it's still a tough game even if they aren't gonna be a title challenging team. So fecking what if Ange hasn't managed in the prem before? He's also a good manager and it doesn't mean he's an amateur. Kulusevski, richarlison and son vs Garnacho, Rashford and Antony? Only Rashford is a better player there (IMO) and he's a LW anyway.
Are losses not allowed to happen anymore? fecks sake people use your fecking brains. The Pep comment is what it is. They lose to Spurs away every year. People calling it shambolic to lose away to Spurs are laughable as of anybody can have a perfect record in any big game.
Relying on the unknown is always the last bastion of hope when nothing else is working. It's why we see so many people calling for kids from the u21s to play whenever we're having a bad season
Yup; things don't look rosy right now but he has credit in the bank from last season. I'm still fully backing him, but I'm also worried what tactical direction he's attempting to take this team, because the early signs aren't promising.
People seem to forget that he literally just got us to 3rd place (second highest points total post-Fergie), won us a cup and got us to another final. Was it a flawless season? Nope. But it was a relatively good first season.
The problem is; there will be added pressure this season and his signings - Antony and Mount in particular - will be expected to step up. I'm not confident of that right now, but it's obviously early days into a new season.
We aren't talking about results. We're talking about football played. Liverpool played very good football back then and their issues that costed them points were clear. We're playing shit football with no strategy or tactics, and signing awful players that we can't fit into the team. As I said you can celebrate your top 4 and League Cup but United hasn't shown any signs they can go anywhere beyond winning the most pointless trophy of the season.
You can on repeating the same points over and over which is just pure and blind optimism without actual reasons for how United is moving forward under Ten Hag except "3rd and League Cup". When you have an argument for the current United's improvement trajectory, you can come again.
Was it clear when he had Stephen Cualker up top? Or when he was playing Ragnar Klavan at the back?
ETH is working under more strict financial conditions than Klopp ever did. He really lucked out with the fee they got for Coutinho so that they could reinvest in the squad.
ETH needs to sell to buy, but nobody wants Utds players because they are on over inflated wages and aren't worth the financial outlay even for a relatively low transfer fee.
We’ve spent a lot of money under ETH
Eh? Ten Hag has spent £400m and he's only been here for 14 months
Just the £370 million spent in 12 months.
This manager has a history of people thinking he's got it wrong and isn't up to the job, then he smashes it.
I'm hoping the same happens here
I'm hoping the same happens here
Klavan is a fricking legend, don't name his name peasant!
It was clear ever since his first half a season that Liverpool are heading in the right direction despite the results. His style of play was solid and you can see his strategy on the pitch. The positions that needed reinforcement were clear and once they were reinforced they got the results.
United have zero strategy. They have no tactical plan on the pitch and are just mindlessly splashing ton of money on players then struggle to fit them in.
Finally, is the bold part for real ? Do you know how much money United have wasted on Casemiro, Antony and Mount ? Klopp couldn't pay anywhere close to what we spent on a single player of these lot until he sold Coutinho. Ten Hag already spent ton of money without selling much.
Dunno mate, these posts from 2017 kinda contradict that you could see what Klopp was doing (and there's plenty more):
Honestly, Zidane or whoever else people are suggesting isn't going to change the style on their own. Only top of the line Sporting Director with modern playing strategy who has power to sell unwanted players at loss regardless of book value, overrule manager preferences around unsuitable player profiles and pressure them into coaching that style (obviously there'd have to be a buy-in from manager turned head-coach at the start of SD's tenure) can change this. So many discussions, so many articles pinpointing that this isn't a 'managers' game any more but a SD and head coach in line with broader Sporting structure where everyone has to buy into profile, where you have to always have an advantage in terms of scouting for potential given market rates for established players, and still our club's incapable of it and people still get so fixated with the 'manager'.
The manager is whatever power he's granted, above and beyond normal coaching preferences; Pep would definitely improve the side if he was forced to coach it right now at gunpoint, but there's only so far he could take it without the club bringing in players with the technical and physical profile to play a modern game - you can't get away with lumps or weak players without the ability to get away from press, hold it whilst looking for the pass, accelerate into space. Even the 'small' players Pep coaches or at clubs like Brighton have acceleration as well as natural ability to shield the ball whilst completing a pass they've already identified.
The biggest issue with the Glazers running of the club, setting aside debt, is an inability to hold people accountable as well as spending money to bring in a Director with a recent history of finding the very best young talent and helping a club punch above their weight in terms of style- the whole cost for that isn't much more than average priced player, if we take into account salary and buy out, and it would not only help us prioritize the already existing best scouting reports for appropriate profiles, but also help make the club more attractive to the next Jude Bellingham or whoever when we go in for the player.
EDIT: added to this, when people start doubting how much of this is down to systems-on the pitch and in recruiting around player profiles- they might think about revising their line when Brighton finish above us this season whilst having sold Caicedo and Mac Allister. You can deny it but instinctively you know this is likely to happen...
The manager is whatever power he's granted, above and beyond normal coaching preferences; Pep would definitely improve the side if he was forced to coach it right now at gunpoint, but there's only so far he could take it without the club bringing in players with the technical and physical profile to play a modern game - you can't get away with lumps or weak players without the ability to get away from press, hold it whilst looking for the pass, accelerate into space. Even the 'small' players Pep coaches or at clubs like Brighton have acceleration as well as natural ability to shield the ball whilst completing a pass they've already identified.
The biggest issue with the Glazers running of the club, setting aside debt, is an inability to hold people accountable as well as spending money to bring in a Director with a recent history of finding the very best young talent and helping a club punch above their weight in terms of style- the whole cost for that isn't much more than average priced player, if we take into account salary and buy out, and it would not only help us prioritize the already existing best scouting reports for appropriate profiles, but also help make the club more attractive to the next Jude Bellingham or whoever when we go in for the player.
EDIT: added to this, when people start doubting how much of this is down to systems-on the pitch and in recruiting around player profiles- they might think about revising their line when Brighton finish above us this season whilst having sold Caicedo and Mac Allister. You can deny it but instinctively you know this is likely to happen...
Yep it happened at Ajax. Their fans were doubting him then all of a sudden it just clicked.
On last season, ten Hag did a great job navigating a very tough season. Our fixture list would've been bad in a normal season but adding a World Cup in the middle of it made it much worse. I'm not even going to get into all the other bullshit that was going on at the club too so to come out of that with a 3rd place finish and trophy was a great achievement. The narrative we didn't play good football last season is total bollocks by the way. We put in some great performances, some of the best football we've seen since SAF. He deserved more this transfer window. I have no problem with the players we signed but we should be signing more and building on what we have.
We played some of the best football I have seen us play in many years last season.
Poor start to this one, but I really think fitness and sharpness has a lot to do with it. Lets see how things develop
Poor start to this one, but I really think fitness and sharpness has a lot to do with it. Lets see how things develop
Aye, he has but the market has changed a lot since then, he's signed 6 first team players and not been able to add any depth. Because the club has sold 1 actual first team player? A few have been released. If the club could get their finger out and move players on with ruthlessness he'd be able to get rid of more players and bring a few more in.
He's still trying to work with the wrong tools to achieve his style. Still working with a squad where most of the players have gotten at least 3 managers sacked. He needs more time and more players in, he also needs to be able to get rid of shite like AWB, Dalot, McT, Maguire,Martial and bring in players who are technically capable of bringing up the levels on the pitch, but also on the training pitch.
Didnt he just give Dalot a new contract?
The club did. Protect the market value FC striking again.
Also, as someone else has posted your comments on Klopp from when you could see what he was doing in his first half of as season. It's quite clear that are full of shit.
ETH signs off on all new contracts. DDG being prime example
He's got a massive ego, hasn't he. Don't think he will ever admit he was wrong about anything.
Klopp is on a different level to Ten Hag but our manager is still a very good one.
We could get rid of him tomorrow, sure. But nothing would change. There’s no silver bullet when you have our footballing structure.
Look at Arsenal. They completely changed their structure and they focus solely on the footballing side now and they’re reaping the rewards.
Ten Hag works with a bunch of numpties above him.
We could get rid of him tomorrow, sure. But nothing would change. There’s no silver bullet when you have our footballing structure.
Look at Arsenal. They completely changed their structure and they focus solely on the footballing side now and they’re reaping the rewards.
Ten Hag works with a bunch of numpties above him.
Someone ? Must be someone on my ignore list because I haven't seen it, so not a big miss for me.
Anyway, I already talked about that above :
I was way too salty of Klopp going to Liverpool back then because he was one of my biggest candidates for the United job when he was at BVB and when Ferguson left then Moyes sacked, then I found him at our biggest rival while we were stuck with LVG playing insomnia curing football every week. I was trying to convince myself he's failing there when he was playing good football while winning nothing, but it was clear for me they managed to hit the jackpot.
Does he really?
Enlighten us what's Ten Hag's strategy and how did the players he bought fit in such style ?
I don’t agree with that.
What are you looking for in terms of the system, specifically? The reason you can’t see it is because it’s complicated and isn’t being executed properly yet.
Are you trying to prove our point?
Could be true.
Yes he does. Fact is he does not get everything right and people should stop acting like he does
We've spent £1b over 10 years, Ten Hag has had close to £400m of that. What do you think Klopp would have done with £400m? Does any of it involve Antony or the Dutch league?
What were the Ajax fan's doubts? Can anyone enlighten us? Would be interesting to hear. @AjaxCunian
That stuff about Klopp is just false. How can you finish 8th and yet be clearly building something. So sick of the bs people come out with in favour of that flipping Colgate ad.
Zidane has been off from football for how long? Has it been 2 years yet? Why did I even feel like he has retired...
I had a look and saw how even up to recently you were calling for Klopp to be sacked or walk, so given you were so right about him. I have decided you don't know shit and it would be a waste of my time.
You've got to be on a wind-up. So it's his fault we can't sell dross squad players on big contracts that were sorted years before he arrived? It's his fault that Antony and Mount cost what they did? It's his fault we couldn't even sort out a suitable loan striker last season? His fault the squad was so limited in so many areas? His fault the club is mired in an ownership snafu that has meant transfer funds are unnecessarily limited. OK.
With a proper ownership Harry Kane would have won us the game yesterday and Kim Min-Jae would have helped lock Spurs out.
Can we also agree it's his fault he won a trophy? Or is that somebody else's doing?
As @Robbie Boy posted, he's talking out of his arse. Most people and even Liverpool fans had massive doubts over Klopp in his first year or so there.
I get it you have no response to the question, because there's no one, as Ten Hag has no style of play and no strategy to even discuss, so that's the only way to walk away from this without embarrassing yourself.
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