alastair
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Himself and Sturridge both have far far more technical ability then Carroll has, or ever will have.
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Himself and Sturridge both have far far more technical ability then Carroll has, or ever will have.
That's just obviously bollocks though Boring, and you know it. As a matter of basic logic, if he goes on to become the new Pele it will have been a steal.Whatever way you want to look at it, paying £35m (£35m!) for Andy fecking Carroll is and was shocking!
Even if he goes on to become the new Pele.
Eh?What would you pay, hypothetically, for a striker with a 1 in 2 record? And what would you pay for a striker with a 1 in 2.5 record?
Internet hardman Lance, not making a point of your own but jumping in when you agree with the majority. You win at this internet lark.
Well his career stats are 36 goals in 110 games so I'd suggest he'll need to improve that significantly to justify a £35 million fee.Christ almighty. Carroll wasn't bought for his technical ability, only for his goalscoring.
Well, he obviously won't be the new Pele.That's just obviously bollocks though Boring, and you know it. As a matter of basic logic, if he goes on to become the new Pele it will have been a steal.
Anyway, I think the jury's out on Carroll more than you gimps are admitting. I doubt he'll justify that fee, but last season he did look worryingly powerful as well as up for it and comfortable with the expectations.
I reckon he'll score quite a lot for them but won't cut it in the CL if they get back there.
I'll try this again, more slowly.Eh?
That would depend on how good that striker was.
Yes, because that's a fair way of judging him at this point.Well his career stats are 36 goals in 110 games so I'd suggest he'll need to improve that significantly to justify a £35 million fee.
Right. But that's a different argument entirely.Well, he obviously won't be the new Pele.
Carroll is by no means a bad footballer. He just isn't one of the more talented footballers in the world, and never will be. Which his fee suggest he is.
It's a pretty big ifI'll try this again, more slowly.
Hernandez is now pretty much a 1 in 2.5 striker. How much is he worth? It's obviously more than what you paid for him, but I'm genuinely interested to know what your valuation of players is. Because in my view, if(and it's not that big an if) Carroll scores 25 goals a season for the duration of his contract, £35m is a price worth paying.
Carroll (Newcastle) - 18 PL Games - 11 GoalsChrist almighty. Carroll wasn't bought for his technical ability, only for his goalscoring.
Hernandez value is probably doubled, to about £15m, maybe £20m at a push.I'll try this again, more slowly.
Hernandez is now pretty much a 1 in 2.5 striker. How much is he worth? It's obviously more than what you paid for him, but I'm genuinely interested to know what your valuation of players is. Because in my view, if(and it's not that big an if) Carroll scores 25 goals a season for the duration of his contract, £35m is a price worth paying.
"He was signed for his goals."Yes, because that's a fair way of judging him at this point.
I merely suspect that whilst Carroll appears unbelievably expensive right now, give it a few years and he will be one of a crowd of players for whom that sort of figure has been paid, and he will be a leading striker in the league. Every time I've seen him this season, he's been one of the best players on the pitch, and he stepped up for England too. I think most top clubs would be glad to have him.@alastair, whilst I get your point. Can you genuinely see enough potential in Carroll to justify him being the second most expensive British player of all time? Are you sure its just you not trying to play devil's advocate? Also its quite surprising to see a few people saying that future performance levels don't justify the fee payed for a player at the time of pruchase because its those people who'd have a go at posters on here for questioning paying relatively big fees for young players that we've signed. The argument used often is 'we're paying for potential' and that the transfer fee is worth it if the player performs in the long run. Isn't that the exact same argument that alastair's using right now? (even if its slightly extreme in his case)
Considering that he is yet to manage it once, I agree.Right. But that's a different argument entirely.
It's a pretty big if
See this is bizarre to me. I'm not even a United fan, but Hernandez in my eyes is worth £30m + now. I don't see United selling him for any less than that, anyway. £15m is insanely low.Hernandez value is probably doubled, to about £15m, maybe £20m at a push.
Which is basically what Carroll should have cost.
Ouch"He was signed for his goals."
Really, here is his record.
"Well, you can't judge him on that."
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Let's work out how many of those appearances were starts - with young players, often they weren't."He was signed for his goals."
Really, here is his record.
"Well, you can't judge him on that."
You are getting dumber by the post. It's really something.
More pressing question is can a United fan make a point without a tinge of bitterness. Seems not to me. I might go back to an old Carroll thread and see what people said about him before he joined Liverpool, just to see if it proves my point or not.More pressing question is Alastair a Scouse?
Well quite. That you judge a deal for a footballer on how it turns out is so obvious that I can't really believe it needs stating. Of course there can be mitigating circumstances like injury where you have to judge the deal according to how you think he would have performed if he hadn't been injured, but in general what looked like an overpayment can of course be vindicated in the light of future performances.Also its quite surprising to see a few people saying that future performance levels don't justify the fee payed for a player at the time of pruchase because its those people who'd have a go at posters on here for questioning paying relatively big fees for young players that we've signed. The argument used often is 'we're paying for potential' and that the transfer fee is worth it if the player performs in the long run. Isn't that the exact same argument that alastair's using right now? (even if its slightly extreme in his case)
That's because United isn't interested in selling him.See this is bizarre to me. I'm not even a United fan, but Hernandez in my eyes is worth £30m + now. I don't see United selling him for any less than that, anyway. £15m is insanely low.
I think after we played Newcastle on the opening day, a few people were commenting that he seemed a handy player who caused us a few problems. That doesn't make him worth £35 million though!..On his day Heskey can be a handful!..Carroll is a battering ram with some heading ability. That's about it.More pressing question is can a United fan make a point without a tinge of bitterness. Seems not to me. I might go back to an old Carroll thread and see what people said about him before he joined Liverpool, just to see if it proves my point or not.
And that's because he's so good.That's because United isn't interested in selling him.
You pay for potential, that is obvious. Like we did with Rooney and Rio.Well quite. That you judge a deal for a footballer on how it turns out is so obvious that I can't really believe it needs stating. Of course there can be mitigating circumstances like injury where you have to judge the deal according to how you think he would have performed if he hadn't been injured, but in general what looked like an overpayment can of course be vindicated in the light of future performances.
Judging by pete and Boring's responses, I think people are just using it as a hyperbolic way of saying, "I don't think he'll ever be that good".
Wouldn't mind seeing him at United to be honest - it's always good to have a beast like that in the team. And his all-round play is surprisingly good
Would love to see him at united. Where. Oh. Where are the " Not good enough for united boys"?
I've been impressed with him this season. There's a lot more to him than I thought when I watched him last season. And he's made the step up very quickly which is a sign of a decent player. They just have to make sure his head's right. If it is they'll struggle to keep hold of him.
Seems to be very good at what he does. Has stepped up to the PL with a fair degree of comfort and has a decent touch and good awareness.
I reckon he's a plyer who could really develop at the right club - plus, he's a dying breed. Real handful for centre halfs and something different to what a lot of clubs have.
Interesting. I just tagged on the Chief's post on the end because I thought it was quite relevant to this thread.The degree of idiocy in an idiot doesn't matter. What matters is their being an idiot.
Have a look mate.More pressing question is can a United fan make a point without a tinge of bitterness. Seems not to me. I might go back to an old Carroll thread and see what people said about him before he joined Liverpool, just to see if it proves my point or not.
Right - so because United aren't willing to sell him(understandably) you can't give an estimated value for him? You're mental.That's because United isn't interested in selling him.
Yes and no. We're not interested in selling because we have no need and because he fits our purposes.And that's because he's so good.
Hernandez is worth at least £25m, probably more.
But that's just such rubbish. Have you watched football since 2004 when £20m was a lot of money? It's what a decent/good player goes for these days.Yes and no. We're not interested in selling because we have no need and because he fits our purposes.
Not worth £20m+. Only the best players in the world are, IMO. He is not.
Eh, I just didRight - so because United aren't willing to sell him(understandably) you can't give an estimated value for him? You're mental.
Four posts...Two of which describe him as having a 'decent touch' and being a 'decent player'. One also references the fact that he seems to have problems keeping his head in the right place. And those are the best you can find to back your argument up.Interesting. I just tagged on the Chief's post on the end because I thought it was quite relevant to this thread.
I thought you were joking.Eh, I just did
£15-£20m
Imagine how simple life would be if you didn't spend the whole time pretending to be so stupid.You pay for potential, that is obvious. Like we did with Rooney and Rio.
I don't see many of them saying, "He's going to be one of the greatest players in the world, break the bank for him".Interesting. I just tagged on the Chief's post on the end because I thought it was quite relevant to this thread.
I bet if you ask any of them if he's worth £35m then they'd all say no.Interesting. I just tagged on the Chief's post on the end because I thought it was quite relevant to this thread.
It isn't. £20m transfers are far and few between.But that's just such rubbish. Have you watched football since 2004 when £20m was a lot of money? It's what a decent/good player goes for these days.