It's not exactly the best central midfield pairing, though, presuming they are going 442.I have a feeling Adam will be their best signing. There's a lot of creativity with him and Gerrard in the team together.
It's not exactly the best central midfield pairing, though, presuming they are going 442.
It's not exactly the best central midfield pairing, though, presuming they are going 442.
They haven't signed Adam yet - I suspect they won't.
Downing's limited, but he's a good crosser of the ball and provides them with genuine width. You have to consider the quality of player that Liverpool can attract - they can't just go out and sign a top star because they're not in the CL. They could never be in for Sanchez, for example. Henderson is actually quite decent, and the U21 Championships gave him no chance of excelling because he was playing under a caveman.
If that's Liverpool's spine, that's a very poor one. Reina and Suárez are good, yes, but Carragher? He used to be good, a long time ago, now he's no way a reliable centre-back. Gerrard spends half the season in the stands because of injury these days then it takes him quite a long time to actually regain some semblance of form when he's back.
Liverpool lack strength in depth, too, without a doubt - more so than Spurs, in my opinion. Arsenal are debatable but they have much more quality in the first team than Liverpool do. Not to mention that many things you brought up against them apply to Liverpool as well: lack of reliable centre-backs, lack of goals when the best striker is out - and as for the quality DM, Lucas isn't much better (if at all) than Sandro or Song.
My Sunderland mate says Henderson is nowhere near good enough for a top 4 side.
Am also far from convinced that Adam isn't fat and shit.
It's not exactly the best central midfield pairing, though, presuming they are going 442.
What would it take to convince you? Maybe being a standout performer for a newly promoted club, both scoring and making goals, showing good vision and quality on the ball and delivering a consistently fantastic quality of set piece delivery. Oh wait.............
I am convinced Charlie Adam is not world class, but he doesn't have to be to be a decent signing for someone like Liverpool. One thing i am certain of, is he is is far from fat and shit.
I'd question the mental stability of anyone who has sanctioned a 35 Million purchase of Carroll.
Jimmy Bullard was a standout for Wigan and that didn't make him good enough for Liverpool. And he was a team player not one who had a team built around his strengths with plenty of flaws that were just essentially ignored for the sake of attractive football. I'd imagine Charlie Adam's far from the only player to excel for a relegated team and not all of them were good enough for a team in the top 6.
To be fair, it's probably sensible strategy to build a squad to take them to the top four rather than going straight for a title-winning, CL-level team.
With your last point, are you saying you're certain that he's far from [fat and shit], or certian that he's far from fat and also that he's far from shit? I don't see how you can be certain that Adam's far from fat.
A fair point i suppose, but then again Bullard never attracted interest from clubs such as Utd and Liverpool either. So it is not me who is suggesting that Adam is good enough, it is some managers from top 6 clubs themselves.
All i am doing is pointing out that he is clearly not 'fat and shit', or managers of that ilk would not be touting him in the first place. He is quite clearly a talented player with the time on his side to improve further. Which is also in contrast to Bullard who was in his late 20's before showing such consistently good form.
I'd agree, he gets a bit of a rough ride on here purely due to the incredibly high expectations of United fans - in some fans' opinions if they're not to class they're not shit. A terrible attitude in my view, part of the reason why United fans have a reputation for being arrogant. Not just that, but at a time when people feel United are screaming out for top class in midfield people have become very critical of pretty much every midfielder in the planet linked with us (or already with us, even).
I think Adam's shown genuine talent and if he's willing and able to work on the areas that he most needs to improve -which largely all revolve around his mentality/attitude - then he could do well and progress nicely. None of us are really in any kind of position to judge whether he will though, probably even Dalglish will have questions about whether he can mould him into a top club player with the right mentality. It's definitely a risk but I do think it could be very rewarding.
You're wrong about Bullard, though. He was the exact same age when he made his PL debut and won the Championship POTY the year previous (something I don't think Adam did). I happen to think Adam's better but that's not the point and I've seen far less of Adam than I have of Bullard.
It's not snobbery it's just realism. Very few players are good enough to make a real difference to top four clubs. You see it writ large with a player like Milner.Agreed. Elite club snobbery i like to call it. A distinct lack of objectivity and self indulgant bias, combined to promote largely inaccurate viewpoints for the main purpose of stoking their own feeling of superiority by smugly dismissing the credibility of others.
It's not snobbery it's just realism. Very few players are good enough to make a real difference to top four clubs. You see it writ large with a player like Milner.
It's not snobbery it's just realism. Very few players are good enough to make a real difference to top four clubs. You see it writ large with a player like Milner.
It's not snobbery it's just realism. Very few players are good enough to make a real difference to top four clubs. You see it writ large with a player like Milner.
Be that as it may, it still doesn't make them "shit" or the joke figures they are made out to be. Nobody on here ever had a bad word to say about Adam until he was linked with Liverpool, then he became an overnight fatty, who ain't good enough, and who's a symbol of Liverpool willing to pay premiums(despite only costing £10m max himself).
There is that snobbery when judging a player from supporters of the bigger club's, but there is also bias born out of dislike for a player's club/club he looks likely to join. I think this plays a big part in the ridiculing of Adam that we see so frequently on here.
Nonsense. Adam was linked with us before Liverpool and got all sorts of criticism when that happened.
I'd question the mental stability of anyone who has sanctioned a 35 Million purchase of Carroll.
Ferguson makes a lot of good purchasing decisions. But did you worry about his sanity when he signed Veron?
Ferguson makes a lot of good purchasing decisions. But did you worry about his sanity when he signed Veron?
I'm no businessman, but that's fecking retarded logic from Henry.
I just sold my car, and bought a bike. If I'd got 700 quid more than I expected for the car, I still wouldn't have shelled out a grand for the bike.
Let me reassure you Henry is a businessman. Apparently, he's got millions in his bank account doing this businessmanning malarky. :handshake:
So was Hicks.
He said the same thing in the Henderson thread IIRC. Just another instance of a person making false stuff just to prove that he is more objective than other fans.
Also what is this Daglish factor that people are talking about, he just had a half of the season in which the majority of the matches were played without pressure, the last two matches in which Liverpool needed to get something to qualify for Europe, they were outplayed by both Villa and Spurs.
Let's see what he can do next season when there is loads of some expectations on him, if he does well then maybe the "Daglish Factor" can come into play.
Veron was one of the best midfielders in the world, leading Lazio to the Serie A title. Carroll is a totally unproven 22 year old striker from Newcastle with a reputation for punching and glassing people.
Let me reassure you Henry is a businessman. Apparently, he's got millions in his bank account doing this businessmanning malarky. :handshake:
No, he was a conman and reknown for it before he even came to Liverpool (his South American football team's fans were up in arms at the time). We all obviously chose to blindside that aspect to our own huge detriment.
Be that as it may, it still doesn't make them "shit" or the joke figures they are made out to be. Nobody on here ever had a bad word to say about Adam until he was linked with Liverpool, then he became an overnight fatty, who ain't good enough, and who's a symbol of Liverpool willing to pay premiums(despite only costing £10m max himself).
There is that snobbery when judging a player from supporters of the bigger club's, but there is also bias born out of dislike for a player's club/club he looks likely to join. I think this plays a big part in the ridiculing of Adam that we see so frequently on here.
£32 million 10 years ago is what in today's money? Worth a Torres now?