Bayern fans pissed they are selling him, here all the argument/discussion he’s not good enough at 24
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Bayern fans pissed they are selling him, here all the argument/discussion he’s not good enough at 24
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Semi final CL, just missed the final with Bayern and with Ajax.
If European winners medals determine how good a defender is he is pretty good without actually winning medals.
His European results in the CL and Europa league are better than all other defenders who we are linked with. They are also better than Saliba his European results for example.
Judging how good or bad someone is based on what he won doesnt seem the best way to judge a player.
Looks like the budget for a CB is 45 million. So any fan that is against this move needs to come up with an alternative that would also cost 40-45 million.
This could turn out to be a very good signing if it happens.
This could turn out to be a very good signing if it happens.
To be honest I think this assessment is spot on:
He did not really shine at Juventus, and they were happy to sell him to Bayern. We then expected him to be the leader of our defense, and gave him a top contract but he never lived up to the expectations. He never managed to stabilize our defense and become the leader that we were looking for, and in terms of goals received we did not get any better since we signed him (I think we even got worse but too lazy to look it up now). On top of that he's quite slow for a defender. Truth being told, even Eric Dier has a better standing internally now.
There's a part of Bayern fans who would be sad to see him go, but it's mainly for sentimental reasons. He seems to be a really good guy, was a Bayern Fan in the past and really loves to play for the club.
But in terms of price/performance he's been terrible which is why the club would be very happy to let him (and his huge wages) go... They are quite confident that they can get similar quality for a much lower price tag salary-wise.
De Ligt - Martinez
If they can stay fit. Bit things will happen.
If they can stay fit. Bit things will happen.
He definitely improves our quality . If we can add a young left footer , a calafiori type who can also play lb , but without the raised profile that will make it difficult to not offer some assurances over starts , id be happy enough . Martinez is covered by shaw & new recruit , shaw is covered by new recruit and amass , de ligt is covered by young
willy and whoever we can't sell .
willy and whoever we can't sell .
Judging by whether they play for a team that is always guaranteed CL qualification and deep tournament runs isn't either.
If De Ligt is elite CL pedigree, so are Sancho and Mount.
He won’t be signing on reduced wages, why would he agree to that when he already has a better deal with Bayern that runs for 3 more years? We will have to compensate him one way or another (wages or higher signing on fee).
City just sold a defender from Championship for 20 mil pounds. 40 mil for De Ligt is a minimum fee for a player of that quality and reputation.
De Ligt sounds like a great signing - as long as due diligence is carried out by our medical team.
His last few injuries all seem to be regarding 'inner knee ligament' issues.
Do these injuries all involve the same knee, or both? Can this type of injury cause long-term recurring problems that would mean extended periods in the treatment room for the rest of his career, or do they heal without long-term problems? Can an operation resolve the issue easily without further problems?
I would feel a whole lot better about the transfer with some clarity in the above regard, especially following the Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger transfers from Bayern Munich.
Any sports or medical experts on here that can throw some light on this kind of injury? - I worry the Bayern doctors may feel this will be a recurring issue - hence his availability.
His last few injuries all seem to be regarding 'inner knee ligament' issues.
Do these injuries all involve the same knee, or both? Can this type of injury cause long-term recurring problems that would mean extended periods in the treatment room for the rest of his career, or do they heal without long-term problems? Can an operation resolve the issue easily without further problems?
I would feel a whole lot better about the transfer with some clarity in the above regard, especially following the Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger transfers from Bayern Munich.
Any sports or medical experts on here that can throw some light on this kind of injury? - I worry the Bayern doctors may feel this will be a recurring issue - hence his availability.
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His injury record seems a bit overstated, but is still a slight concern. Wages very high and why does Bayern want to sell, as it seems a lot of their fans think he's their best CB? Some red flags here for sure and I just don't trust big clubs like Bayern selling off what appear to be good players.
My (limited) knowledge really only extends to Dutch players sorry
Guess we'll go for Jorg Schreuders then.I would go as far as saying big bit things will happen
High wages, they want Tah and keep Davis so De Ligt is probably the only one that they can get a decent junk of cash for/get rid a good amount of wages off the books. Their general wage structure is quite high, think only Barca, Madrid, City, PSG pay players collectively more. Their fans are quite upset as the prospect of him going though.
Not attacking you mate, but you are the only Bayern fan I’ve seen who has this opinion and who really does not want him sold.
Check the German Transfermarkt forum (via Google translate). I'd say it's 50/50 over there. And then there are of course the type of Bayern fans that didn't want Kovac go... Or did not want to sign Manuel Neuer back then. It's true that he is a fan favorite but it's not really justified by his performances on the pitch.
If you check Transfermarkt, you'll see that one half of the fans does not understand why he seems to have such a high status with the other half of fans, which as I said, is highly sentimental.
He had a few iconic moments, some beautiful goals, he's a fighter, identifies with the club, was a Bayern Fan as a kid etc.
I'm not saying he's a bad player, don't get me wrong. If he were willing to play for half his salary, I'd be happy for him to stay. But for the current price, the upside compared to players costing half his salary is simply not enough, e.g. when comparing to Eric Dier who's much cheaper salary wise.
Thats a very, very exclusive view.
I think with Dier as his partner de Ligt also started to look like a leader.
I wouldnt blame it on him that the connection with Upamecano and Kim wasnt that great.
De Ligt is still only 24. How good were Chiellini, Ramos and van Dijk at that age?
I still dont understand why we want to sell him and keep those 2 walking blunders waiting to happen Upa and Kim.
Seem to remember a lot of fawning over him when he was linked to us a while back.
You make him sound like his North Korean namesake (who I'd pay money to see play CB).
Bayern in particular basically have a horrid record with players they sell. Kroos is the last one I remember that was top class after leaving, and he was one they never wanted to leave in the first place.
Would be perfect with Martinez. His CB partner in Ajax' CL run was the very slow Daley Blind and it still worked. Martinez is quite similar to Blind on the ball and way better defensively. So this pairing would be really really good
"Honest" because it aligns with your opinion of the player? That's an interesting take on the word.
What makes this more honest than all the other Bayern fans who have given their opinion in this thread?
So you rate De ligt then? Or are you basing your view mainly on his Ajax performances?
As the poster above your post said, they feel it's honest because the fan said what that poster wanted to hear.
Not going to lie, but actually yes. He has got it spot on regarding why they are trying to move this "generational talent", imo. I would be pretty disappointed if we make this singing. I am not sold on Todibo because of his aerial weakness but I rather have him for the RCB spot as a cheapish punt than this guy. This has red flags written all over it. I think he'll fail badly and we'd be struck with another player on a long contract on high wages.
Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I am going to be.
On fans, read what Chelsea fans were saying on Mount. A few years back during the VG days someone argued with me that Blackett was a more talented academy product than Ravel Morrison. There was a thread on here arguing that someone wouldn't replace Martial with Messi.
Massively. He's just the type of player that is easily loved if he plays for your team. Born leader, doesn't shy away from getting physical and good on the ball. And totally not slow, he might look slow due to his build, but he's quite quick, just not as fast as the fastest defenders.
If a massive Ajax hater like @KirkDuyt rates him, then it must be a good player
How concerned should we be about his injury record? Is he going to be another Mason Mount?
You should be somewhat concerned. But there's no reason for panic, I think.
I imagine this will move quickly when Bayern seal the Tah deal.
Quality control
An injury prone defender who previously played for ETH, to join Martinez, our other often-injured defender.
That's fine, if we finish 10th we will say that injuries is the main problem. (And don't forget that SAF finished 13th!)
That's fine, if we finish 10th we will say that injuries is the main problem. (And don't forget that SAF finished 13th!)
How concerned should we be about his fat Dad?
I think De ligt is clearly a very good player. Certainly a better player than anyone else we have been linked with. Wages will be fairly high and perhaps injuries are a slight concern. Though possibly not. Aside from Yoro (who isn't realistic), no option ticks every box, so De ligt is arguably the best compromise of price, fitness, wages and current/potential ability.
Not going to lie, but actually yes. He has got it spot on regarding why they are trying to move this "generational talent", imo. I would be pretty disappointed of we make this singing. I am not sold on Todibo because of his aerial weakness but I rather have him for the RCB spot as a cheapish punt than this guy. This has red flags written all over it. I think he'll fail badly and we'd be struck with another player on a long contract on high wages.
Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I am going to be.
Also, Todibo isn't an option.
Exactly, it's like English people rating a dentist
Thanks for this. Really encouraging to hear.
Then I rather not sign anyone then go for what I think will be a very expensive mistake (talking about overall cost). I am ready to suffer as a United fan and give INEOS time to sort this out. May be we'll have a tough summer but I rather see us go for young, hungry players selected by our scouts than some 24 year old overhyped & overpaid journeyman touted as the next big thing at 18 but is still to fulfil that potential having done the rounds at the big clubs.
As for Todibo, I think Jim mentioned in his interview, or I read somewhere, that INEOS are going to court to find a solution. He could become an option if that is sorted out in time.
He doesn't agree with those opinions
Curious how much of it can be put down to the internal turmoil at both clubs. Juve had something like 3 coaches in 3 years he played there and Allegri wasn't really a fan.
Bayern were also in relative chaos after he moved. Did he do well under Nagelsmann?
Overall, I think the expectations unfortunately are much lower right now for a United CB than a Bayern CB. As long as he manages to stay fit and does a decent job over the season he'll be viewed as a success. Decent as in doesn't get rinsed by faster attackers like Maguire and doesn't look like a deer in headlights when we attempt to build from the back. Couple of last ditch interceptions / tackles will only help his cause. He seems like a good box defender and anticipates those cutbacks quite well.
It's also why he wants to move to United in the first place and on a decent fee (any rando CB goes for 40-50m these days. Everton wanted 70m for a guy with one good season). As long as he's on 200k p/w or so we should be ok.
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