No, sadly. Far too astute a signing to expect us to make.
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No, sadly. Far too astute a signing to expect us to make.
Yep and I also forgot Chelsea cast-offs. Chalobah still an option.
Would this Gutierrez be any good?
Those people only say it to defend ETH. In reality, most of the defenders we had last season can play a high line.
Evans can't, Lindelof can't, Wan Bissaka can't and Maguire can't. Not without getting hurt, at least.
So two players we hold an interest in?
Evans can’t. The rest can and have done so before
There was definitely a lot of that.
No, they can't. Because they get hurt. Maguire had 2-3 lengthy spells out and is clearly getting on. Lindelof needed surgery and was not the same after his return. Wan Bissaka never could and still can't.
yet he's the one being sold and previously he was sold by Juventus for less money to what they bought him. We're also set to buy him for less money Bayern had spent on him
I've not seen him but he'd probably be cheaper than Kerkez. At least he's off the back of a good season and is the right sort of age.
Juve needed money, and now Bayern need money. You can argue he's being sold because he's the most saleable asset. They are bringing in Tah and one other I believe.
Again, the Bayern supporters would know better than you or I would and literally all the posts I've seen (even on the Bayern forums) is that it's a brain dead move, and they're selling their best CB.
I guess I'd have nothing to say if I was hit with the facts too. Maybe try post reasonably next time.
Lindelof, AWB and Maguire are still capable of a high line, my arse
Seems odd that apparently we only have a limited budget but we're linked with De Ligt, Branthwaite and Ugarte, who will likely cost north of £150m. If reports are to be believed, spending will be very dependent on outgoings.
I don't think those 3 raise the technical ability of this squad enough if I'm being honest. De Ligt is decent on the ball and a good leader and organiser, but Ugarte and Branthwaite aren't and too much will fall on Martinez and Mainoo to work the ball into the final third.
Why does this matter if they're a good player at the right price?
So who does raise that technical ability?
Such a weird fixation you have to force narratives. Take the SEG point for example. We have less players from SEG than a lot of our PL rivals.
This is typical us. Out of the generation of top Dutch centre halves, we don’t get Van Dijk, Van de Ven or Ake, we get the slowest one that can’t get into the team. Of the entire collection of Ten Hag’s Ajax players, we get everyone except Frenkie de Jong.
De Ligt not worth it to me, similar player to Maguire and frequently injured at that.
So for me: No.
De Ligt not worth it to me, similar player to Maguire and frequently injured at that.
So for me: No.
“Hit with the facts” Nah I’m actually cracking up. You said Lindelof needed surgery because he played a high line. Come on man that’s funnyI guess I'd have nothing to say if I was hit with the facts too. Maybe try post reasonably next time.
Lindelof, AWB and Maguire are still capable of a high line, my arse
De Ligt was shocking at Juventus through a big chunk of his career there. He was accused of playing handball at one point and Buffon defended him by saying that he's got the cloud of Fantozzi over his head (Fantozzi is an Italian version of Mr Bean and the cloud of Fantozzi attracts all misfortune on him). Throughout his last period he improved but Juventus signed a better player in Bremer that the majority are more happy with.
I repeat he seem to get cheaper at each step. We're talking of Juventus and Bayern here, two of the most shrewd sellers in football
Spot on, they definitely can. They’re just terrible at doing so
I think we should filter out everyone that's Dutch, everyone that's represented by SEG, everyone that ever played in the Eredivisie, and everyone that ever spoke two words to ten Hag, so that RedCafe will be happy.
Lindelof can't stay fit, and nor can Maguire. You can't play unfit players in a high line, because it's a lot more physically demanding than playing in a low block. And Wan Bissaka could never play in a high line.
Maguire by the way was never that good in the few times he did play in a high line. He flopped terribly under Ole after a decent first season, and he didnt' play in as high a line at Leicester. Lindelof played in a low block for Jose which was his best phase for us. Now you have two players who were never that great in a high line, but thats immaterial because they cant stay fit either, which means its all redundant.
So yes, they can't play in a high line. It's astounding this has to be literally spelt out for you.
Now you have had a moan who should be signed?
Someone posted the stats. He missed twice more than 20 games a season
Yeah that's not really true based on most of the Serie A followers I've spoken with. Come to think of it, you have been called out for your hand ball evaluation in this thread before:
And I'll repeat - he's been Bayern's best center back.
Someone else.
Not the clowns on this forum, that's for sure
You've been a huge cheerleader of all our ETH-driven targets over the last two years in their respective transfer threads, including Antony, Mount, and Arnautovic. So forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of your appraisal.
Funny, because I remember reading an Athletic tweet somewhere that De Ligt was offered up by INEOS to Ten Hag.
If you want to claim that's Ten Hag driven then you do you.
By the way I've been on record many times saying Antony was a bad signing and Ten Hag should take stick for that. Feel free to make things up though.
Exactly. The Van Dijk one always gets me. We could have had him for £15m at the time from Celtic but our ex Dutch national team manager went for Rojo instead for £16m + Nani
(and vetoed Kroos, the one Bayern player that would have been perfect for us)
We also probably have fewer Real cast-offs in the squad than some other clubs. Doesnt make Casemiro any less of a disaster.
Ex-Ajax/Eredivisie, SEG, big club cast-off.
What players have we signed under ETH who didn't fit into one or more of these categories? The answer is Jonny Evans, who wasn't even a strategized signing. Oh, and Bayindir who got one appearance against Newport County.
Exactly. The Van Dijk one always gets me. We could have had him for £15m at the time from Celtic but our ex Dutch national team manager went for Rojo instead for £16m + Nani
OK so who should be targeted then?
That doesn't mean you make a blanket rule to avoid such signings. You scout and you trust your newly appointed heads to find quality players. If they happen to fall under those categories, you can't get pissy just because less diligence was done in the past under poorly qualified staff.
I didn't spoke alot about the German league because quite frankly I don't follow it enough to pass judgement on it but I do follow the Serie A a lot and had been doing so since certain Baresi, Maldini, Van Basten and co used to play there. So quite a long time.
Please explain to me why Juventus sold this superb CB for cheaper to what they bought him and Bayern are said to sell their best CB for cheaper to what they bought him from Juventus. I suggest that we wait a year or two to snap him up. After all if he continues this trajectory then we might be getting this fabulous specimen of a defender off someone else's hands.
You keep asking this. I'm not a scout.
But if we were linked with someone else you would no doubt be all over the thread saying we must sign said player too.
Our pot increases from tomorrow (the rolling 3-year calc changes) and remember that transfer fees are amortised.
So if we had £30m PSR ‘allowance’, we can buy a £100m player on a 5-year contract and pay him £200k/wk. The fee is amortised to £20m per year and wages are £10m per year.
(*NB* very simplistic example I appreciate.)
I have no issue with signing De Ligt as think we are looking to sign another one too
The 'pot' doesn't change at all tomorrow.
We're limited to a far greater extent by how much money we've got (or are willing to spend). Not the rules.
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