De Ligt | €45+5m agreement reached pending medical | Signed!

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duffer said:
Why do you think you're looking to sell him?
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Allegedly they are trying to cut wages (de Ligt, Coman, Gnabry, Goretzka et al.) since Kahn and Brazzo handed them out like candy. De Ligt should have a good market.
Kim and Upa have (IMHO) better potential but too many brainfarts. The thought of replacing de Ligt with Tah is something no Bayern fan celebrates. But the latter is cheaper in fees and wages.
 
croadyman said:
Which faster starter CB has all the attributes and of course is actually available and open to move
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Every transfer thread people say things like this. Why? I am a normal person who has a job. Regrettably that job is not to watch football and scout RCBs on behalf of Manchester United. I watch our matches and some other PL, CL, and domestic cup matches.

So I know enough to know De Ligt is a good but not fast defender. And I know enough to know that speed has been a critical shortcoming at RCB for us (and why). I expressed the contradiction. And you… asked me a question that would require me to be able to quote you the qualities, contractual details, and personal inclinations (!) of every professional defender in Europe? Maybe on earth?

It’s just a garbage, “gotcha” comment. Do you disagree with the point I actually made? If so, why?
 
IrishRedDevil said:
A young Maguire
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You might be right as i haven't seen much of him but i wish people would stop saying this, it's making me nervous!!!

I'm hoping the people that say that he's quicker than Maguire and capable of playing a high line are right :)
 
Irwin99 said:
You might be right as i haven't seen much of him but i wish people would stop saying this, it's making me nervous!!!

I'm hoping the people that say that he's quicker than Maguire and capable of playing a high line are right :)
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Saying he's a young Maguire is actually incredibly high praise, they just don't even realize it themselves
 
Stobzilla said:
Bayern fans who watch him week on week out: "He is our best defender"

Redcafe: "He is fecking shit"
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I don't mind if people have concerns, but not sure how a 25 year old defender is going to be in decline. Everyone keeps saying how he's missed a load of games through injury, so it's not like he's been overplayed either.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
Indeed, a lack of speed isnt a major issue, a lack of control is, even if we had speedy CBs, a lack of control will expose those CBs, as a team we need to control and dominate the ball, which requires set of players that can play out from the back and pin teams down, City play with Dias & Stones, or even someone like Akanji, these guys aren't that quick but they are rarely exposed due to how City dominate and control the game.

For me my issue with De Ligt is his ability, he isn't a top class CB, maybe a good one but not a top class, the fee Bayern will demand and his wages are too much for someone like De Ligt.
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Akanji and Stones have plenty of pace, as does Ake and Walker, The only City defender that isn't quick is Dias, and he thrives through reading the game and being top at all other aspects.
 
Rojofiam said:
Saying he's a young Maguire is actually incredibly high praise, they just don't even realize it themselves
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I don't think Maguire is a bad defender at all (certainly not worth 80 million) but it's more of a playing style thing; if De Ligt is quicker and not so slow on the turn as him then that's positive.
 
Lash said:
I don't mind if people have concerns, but not sure how a 25 year old defender is going to be in decline. Everyone keeps saying how he's missed a load of games through injury, so it's not like he's been overplayed either.
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De Ligt Injury history from transfermarkt..i doubt why he is called injury prone..
https://www.transfermarkt.com/matthijs-de-ligt/verletzungen/spieler/326031
SeasonDaysInjuriesGames missed
23/2480 days420
22/2315 days35
21/227 days12
20/21143 days428
19/2025 days37
18/1910 days13
16/1711 days12

23/24 maybe, but 20/21 was just a long injury for shoulder..other years was not missing seriously
SeasonInjuryfromuntilDaysGames missed
23/24Inner ligament injuryApr 27, 2024May 6, 20249 days3
23/24Inner knee ligament tearNov 2, 2023Dec 14, 202342 days9
23/24KnockSep 25, 2023Oct 17, 202322 days6
23/24Calf injuryJun 12, 2023Jun 19, 20237 days2

20/21Groin problemsJun 3, 2021Jun 17, 202114 days3
20/21Muscle fatigueMar 1, 2021Mar 11, 202110 days3
20/21Corona virusJan 7, 2021Jan 25, 202118 days5
20/21Shoulder injuryAug 10, 2020Nov 19, 2020101 days17

Compare to Varane..it is a big different
SeasonDaysInjuriesGames missed
23/2472 days314
22/2352 days315
21/2295 days519
20/2131 days28
18/1920 days25
17/1833 days27
16/1767 days417
15/1692 days319
13/1452 days111
12/13143 days132
 
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Why does Romano have to add 'interested even without CL football'

Done it with Ugarte too. If they are interested then they obviously know we aren't fecking playing in the CL.
 
Played 300 fewer minutes of football than Varane last season

Will demand a similar wage.

Ten Hag wants him

What could go wrong eh?


Glad the club has learned lessons and turned over a new leaf
 
JJ12 said:
Why does Romano have to add 'interested even without CL football'

Done it with Ugarte too. If they are interested then they obviously know we aren't fecking playing in the CL.
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It's the strange myth that somehow playing maybe 6 games in a competition for some low end / mid tier champions league qualifier will put someone off joining Manchester United.

You suspect players place playing in the champions league quite some way down the priority list below choice of club, wages, etc
 
hobbers said:
Played 300 fewer minutes of football than Varane last season

Will demand a similar wage.

Ten Hag wants him

What could go wrong eh?


Glad the club has learned lessons and turned over a new leaf
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Definitely. He should be taken off the buying players part, and after 6months of not stemming the flood of attacks on our defence, possibly off the coaching part too.

Maybe just do a few press interviews and that.
 
Seriously though, De Ligt is a great signing. He's a great defender. As he showed at Bayern by ending up in the BuLi team of the season.

Tuchel just didnt play him more because German's are jealous we're taller and more handsome than them.
 
Stobzilla said:
Bayern fans who watch him week on week out: "He is our best defender"

Redcafe: "He is fecking shit"
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Enormous world of difference between "he's shit" and "there are several red flags reminiscent of recent failed transfers"
 
Lash said:
I don't mind if people have concerns, but not sure how a 25 year old defender is going to be in decline. Everyone keeps saying how he's missed a load of games through injury, so it's not like he's been overplayed either.
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Last summer Redcafe collectively shit on Youri Teilemanns because he was "injury prone" and "on the decline" despite having only one season of injury problems at age 25 while creaming themselves at the thought of Amrabat. He then went to Villa and has been a star in the midfield. Like I said in the player thread, Redcafe's opinion of players means nothing.
 
If it’s between seeing De Ligt in central defense vs one of Maguire, Lindelof, Brathwaite or Evans, I would pick the former without a question.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Enormous world of difference between "he's shit" and "there are several red flags reminiscent of recent failed transfers"
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There are definitely red flags but some posters calling him mediocre are wide of the mark.
 
STYLOISRED said:
Last summer Redcafe collectively shit on Youri Teilemanns because he was "injury prone" and "on the decline" despite having only one season of injury problems at age 25 while creaming themselves at the thought of Amrabat. He then went to Villa and has been a star in the midfield. Like I said in the player thread, Redcafe's opinion of players means nothing.
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Massively overstating Tielemans’s importance there, he’s actually probably their least important midfielder.
 
CasaStreets said:
Every transfer thread people say things like this. Why? I am a normal person who has a job. Regrettably that job is not to watch football and scout RCBs on behalf of Manchester United. I watch our matches and some other PL, CL, and domestic cup matches.

So I know enough to know De Ligt is a good but not fast defender. And I know enough to know that speed has been a critical shortcoming at RCB for us (and why). I expressed the contradiction. And you… asked me a question that would require me to be able to quote you the qualities, contractual details, and personal inclinations (!) of every professional defender in Europe? Maybe on earth?

It’s just a garbage, “gotcha” comment. Do you disagree with the point I actually made? If so, why?
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I think that if there was a young defender of de Ligt his quality but also is super speedy who also wont be super expensive and is willing to move, you would know about that player.

That player would be the most wanted defender in the world.

Lets not forget that de Ligt was even more hyped than the current super hyped CB prospects like Branthwaite and Yoro.
 
More of the same, ex-Ten Hag players. by 2030 well have his squad that reached the semis vs spurs.
 
AltiUn said:
Massively overstating Tielemans’s importance there, he’s actually probably their least important midfielder.
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Doesn't matter. He was far better than many posters in here were stating and proved that talks of him being on the decline were wide of the mark. He did very well especially when you compare him to Amrabat that this entire forum were crying out for last summer.

Look at Kim last summer. The whole cafe wanted him here and yet he has failed to adapt to the Bundesliga. The same Bundesliga that Deligt didn't have any problems adapting to and has done very well in the two seasons he has been there to the point where Fans who watch him every week have stated he is their best defender and future captain.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Akanji and Stones have plenty of pace, as does Ake and Walker, The only City defender that isn't quick is Dias, and he thrives through reading the game and being top at all other aspects.
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I'll give you they are not as slow as Maguire, but they aren't very quick too or anywhere near Walker in terms of pure pace, and as you said they thrive in reading the game but on pure pace, aside from Walker, they aren't catching many of the quick forwards if they depended on their pace, and if City style wasn't dominant, they would certainly struggle against facing constant attacks without sitting deep, if you want to deploy a high line defense, control is a key aspect, that's my point, having a fast CB is a huge plus but not a key in playing high line defense
 
STYLOISRED said:
Doesn't matter. He was far better than many posters in here were stating and proved that talks of him being on the decline were wide of the mark. He did very well especially when you compare him to Amrabat that this entire forum were crying out for last summer.

Look at Kim last summer. The whole cafe wanted him here and yet he has failed to adapt to the Bundesliga. The same Bundesliga that Deligt didn't have any problems adapting to and has done very well in the two seasons he has been there to the point where Fans who watch him every week have stated he is their best defender and future captain.
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I’m not sure why we’re even arguing, I agree with you about de Ligt. My bad on that one.
 
Him being out of the Dutch squad could potentially help us getting this over the line before the tournament concludes.
 
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