De Ligt | €45+5m agreement reached pending medical | Signed!
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Well on way down? Seems a bit OTT.
Every transfer thread people say things like this. Why? I am a normal person who has a job. Regrettably that job is not to watch football and scout RCBs on behalf of Manchester United. I watch our matches and some other PL, CL, and domestic cup matches.
So I know enough to know De Ligt is a good but not fast defender. And I know enough to know that speed has been a critical shortcoming at RCB for us (and why). I expressed the contradiction. And you… asked me a question that would require me to be able to quote you the qualities, contractual details, and personal inclinations (!) of every professional defender in Europe? Maybe on earth?
It’s just a garbage, “gotcha” comment. Do you disagree with the point I actually made? If so, why?
You might be right as i haven't seen much of him but i wish people would stop saying this, it's making me nervous!!!
I'm hoping the people that say that he's quicker than Maguire and capable of playing a high line are right
Bayern fans who watch him week on week out: "He is our best defender"
Redcafe: "He is fecking shit"
You might be right as i haven't seen much of him but i wish people would stop saying this, it's making me nervous!!!
I'm hoping the people that say that he's quicker than Maguire and capable of playing a high line are right
Saying he's a young Maguire is actually incredibly high praise, they just don't even realize it themselves
I don't mind if people have concerns, but not sure how a 25 year old defender is going to be in decline. Everyone keeps saying how he's missed a load of games through injury, so it's not like he's been overplayed either.
Akanji and Stones have plenty of pace, as does Ake and Walker, The only City defender that isn't quick is Dias, and he thrives through reading the game and being top at all other aspects.
I don't think Maguire is a bad defender at all (certainly not worth 80 million) but it's more of a playing style thing; if De Ligt is quicker and not so slow on the turn as him then that's positive.
It's really not
Funny how you say this whilst praising Dias 1 post earlier
Eredivisie all stars baby.
Didn’t realise he was the entire team in fairness.
De Ligt Injury history from transfermarkt..i doubt why he is called injury prone..
https://www.transfermarkt.com/matthijs-de-ligt/verletzungen/spieler/326031
| Season | Days | Injuries | Games missed |
|---|---|---|---|
| 23/24 | 80 days | 4 | 20 |
| 22/23 | 15 days | 3 | 5 |
| 21/22 | 7 days | 1 | 2 |
| 20/21 | 143 days | 4 | 28 |
| 19/20 | 25 days | 3 | 7 |
| 18/19 | 10 days | 1 | 3 |
| 16/17 | 11 days | 1 | 2 |
23/24 maybe, but 20/21 was just a long injury for shoulder..other years was not missing seriously
| Season | Injury | from | until | Days | Games missed |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 23/24 | Inner ligament injury | Apr 27, 2024 | May 6, 2024 | 9 days | 3 |
| 23/24 | Inner knee ligament tear | Nov 2, 2023 | Dec 14, 2023 | 42 days | 9 |
| 23/24 | Knock | Sep 25, 2023 | Oct 17, 2023 | 22 days | 6 |
| 23/24 | Calf injury | Jun 12, 2023 | Jun 19, 2023 | 7 days | 2 |
| 20/21 | Groin problems | Jun 3, 2021 | Jun 17, 2021 | 14 days | 3 |
| 20/21 | Muscle fatigue | Mar 1, 2021 | Mar 11, 2021 | 10 days | 3 |
| 20/21 | Corona virus | Jan 7, 2021 | Jan 25, 2021 | 18 days | 5 |
| 20/21 | Shoulder injury | Aug 10, 2020 | Nov 19, 2020 | 101 days | 17 |
Compare to Varane..it is a big different
| Season | Days | Injuries | Games missed |
|---|---|---|---|
| 23/24 | 72 days | 3 | 14 |
| 22/23 | 52 days | 3 | 15 |
| 21/22 | 95 days | 5 | 19 |
| 20/21 | 31 days | 2 | 8 |
| 18/19 | 20 days | 2 | 5 |
| 17/18 | 33 days | 2 | 7 |
| 16/17 | 67 days | 4 | 17 |
| 15/16 | 92 days | 3 | 19 |
| 13/14 | 52 days | 1 | 11 |
| 12/13 | 143 days | 1 | 32 |
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Why does Romano have to add 'interested even without CL football'
Done it with Ugarte too. If they are interested then they obviously know we aren't fecking playing in the CL.
Done it with Ugarte too. If they are interested then they obviously know we aren't fecking playing in the CL.
They're probably not mutually exclusive though.
Played 300 fewer minutes of football than Varane last season
Will demand a similar wage.
Ten Hag wants him
What could go wrong eh?
Glad the club has learned lessons and turned over a new leaf
Will demand a similar wage.
Ten Hag wants him
What could go wrong eh?
Glad the club has learned lessons and turned over a new leaf
I know who I'd trust in that debate though
It's the strange myth that somehow playing maybe 6 games in a competition for some low end / mid tier champions league qualifier will put someone off joining Manchester United.
You suspect players place playing in the champions league quite some way down the priority list below choice of club, wages, etc
The 3 Bayern fans out of millions, or an imaginary statement that nobody was actually saying it?
Definitely. He should be taken off the buying players part, and after 6months of not stemming the flood of attacks on our defence, possibly off the coaching part too.
Maybe just do a few press interviews and that.
Is he actually injury prone?
Out of all the young talented defenders, we get the injury prone mediocre one
Seriously though, De Ligt is a great signing. He's a great defender. As he showed at Bayern by ending up in the BuLi team of the season.
Tuchel just didnt play him more because German's are jealous we're taller and more handsome than them.
Tuchel just didnt play him more because German's are jealous we're taller and more handsome than them.
He's not Martinez levels but he's also not Bruno.
Enormous world of difference between "he's shit" and "there are several red flags reminiscent of recent failed transfers"
Last summer Redcafe collectively shit on Youri Teilemanns because he was "injury prone" and "on the decline" despite having only one season of injury problems at age 25 while creaming themselves at the thought of Amrabat. He then went to Villa and has been a star in the midfield. Like I said in the player thread, Redcafe's opinion of players means nothing.
If it’s between seeing De Ligt in central defense vs one of Maguire, Lindelof, Brathwaite or Evans, I would pick the former without a question.
Fecking ten hag nepotism bull shite
Eredivisie All Stars
There are definitely red flags but some posters calling him mediocre are wide of the mark.
Massively overstating Tielemans’s importance there, he’s actually probably their least important midfielder.
I think that if there was a young defender of de Ligt his quality but also is super speedy who also wont be super expensive and is willing to move, you would know about that player.
That player would be the most wanted defender in the world.
Lets not forget that de Ligt was even more hyped than the current super hyped CB prospects like Branthwaite and Yoro.
More of the same, ex-Ten Hag players. by 2030 well have his squad that reached the semis vs spurs.
Doesn't matter. He was far better than many posters in here were stating and proved that talks of him being on the decline were wide of the mark. He did very well especially when you compare him to Amrabat that this entire forum were crying out for last summer.
Look at Kim last summer. The whole cafe wanted him here and yet he has failed to adapt to the Bundesliga. The same Bundesliga that Deligt didn't have any problems adapting to and has done very well in the two seasons he has been there to the point where Fans who watch him every week have stated he is their best defender and future captain.
I'll give you they are not as slow as Maguire, but they aren't very quick too or anywhere near Walker in terms of pure pace, and as you said they thrive in reading the game but on pure pace, aside from Walker, they aren't catching many of the quick forwards if they depended on their pace, and if City style wasn't dominant, they would certainly struggle against facing constant attacks without sitting deep, if you want to deploy a high line defense, control is a key aspect, that's my point, having a fast CB is a huge plus but not a key in playing high line defense
I’m not sure why we’re even arguing, I agree with you about de Ligt. My bad on that one.
I just saw that after i posted,It's actually 'seriously' considering!
Now we are seriously considering, before we were casually considering !
Him being out of the Dutch squad could potentially help us getting this over the line before the tournament concludes.
If you want to talk facts without hyperbole, then no he isn't injury prone. As someone posted the stats above he's had 2 major injuries in his career so far. One was a shoulder injury so not something that will affect him much as a footballer.
The only significant injury he's had is a knee injury last season. If one major injury is enough to get you the label of injury prone, then he is one. For anyone with common sense, he isn't.
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