Sorry just saw now that you quoted me.
My main concerns is, IMHO, he pekad at Ajax. I hope that he would be solid for us, but we saw his peak.
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My main concerns is, IMHO, he pekad at Ajax. I hope that he would be solid for us, but we saw his peak.
What we need is a solid and patiënt defender next to him. This guy is a winner, bal fighter but as reckless as they come. Evans might be great. Also mazzroui needs all the back up in the world and he will be a extreme threat
Lets hope your predicition will come true
Maybe, but Martinez really is a fantastic player when fit and firing.
Nonsense. The hype peaked at Ajax because he was a prodigy. Great for headlines.
Good player is good player is not much of headline.
Where's the blanket cover the player ahead of the medical paparazzi photo?
He's 24
I mean even if true for his peak, do we care if he raises our floor with a solid, reliable and very experienced for his age profile ? Especially since we didn't put our eggs in a single basket and Yoro is supposed to be the potential future prodigy ?
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Where would you place his current ability if you had to order him amongst the following:
- Martinez
- Maguire
- Yoro
- Lindelöf
- Evans
Think you’re wrong. He left Juventus after being successful and wanting to take the next step, not because he failed. At Bayern it’s 50/50 the fans love him but for whatever reasons it hasn’t worked out, maybe the coaches over the past 2 years haven’t suited him.
If we had to play a City/RM tomorrow with everyone fit. I think de Ligt and Martinez, but Yoro is like that player who by 6 months should be giving ETH a major headache
He peaked at Ajax? Wasnt he only 19 when he left Ajax
Honestly convinced you’re a parody account at this point. Just daft outlandish comments or one sentence nonsense. The made up narrative around De Ligt is silly.
I think we are getting a great deal. An organised Bayern wouldn’t have sold him. Juventus have hardly been great since he left either. It’s not like either of these teams have evolved past him.
I think we are capitalizing on their current situation and getting a top CB just before his peak.
I think we are capitalizing on their current situation and getting a top CB just before his peak.
It is going to be interesting to see if we can make such an aggressive CB partnership work. I do think Yoro would be a more complimentary partner for both De Ligt and Martinez.
Yeah I kinda see this as well. Martinez's defensive game looks like prime Heinze right now, before the injury and losing a step.
My expectations for de Ligt are fairly low, just want him to keep fit and maintain a reasonable level. If he can get back to Ajax days and beyond, fantastic.
I know this was aimed at someone specific, but solely on ability I would go:
1. De Ligt
2. Martinez
3. Yoro
4. Evans
5. Lindelof
6. Maguire
I think that purely on ability he's better than all of them, but there are other factors that can affect on-field performance.
I've rated Maguire last, but he has a lot of self belief and determination that makes up for some of the talent he lacks. And Yoro has potential talent that could surpass the others.
Fingers crossed.
He might not be the superstar that was promised from his Ajax days, all we need is a solid and reliable defender that can help transition the ball up the pitch quicker. I believe this is the right guy for the job. We’ve signed superstar players before and it hasn’t worked out so maybe just getting the right players for the right positions is the way forward.
The money we are paying for players now is brilliant. We would have overpaid massively for everyone previously. I know we overpaid for Yoro but that was a necessity as Madrid were in for him and we needed the extra incentive for the selling club to prefer us over them.
The money we are paying for players now is brilliant. We would have overpaid massively for everyone previously. I know we overpaid for Yoro but that was a necessity as Madrid were in for him and we needed the extra incentive for the selling club to prefer us over them.
1. Martinez
2. De Ligt
3 Yoro
4. Maguire
5. Evans
6. Lindelof
Pretty certain Yoro will surpass De Ligt at some stage but not this season given his injury.
De Ligt was my muppet transfer for this summer after Neves, which we unfortunately didn't get.
I believe a lot of people here will be impressed with his no nonsense style of defending, his aggression and his leadership.
Can't wait to see him get started, I think he'll compliment Yoro tremendously in the future, once they get used to each other.
I believe a lot of people here will be impressed with his no nonsense style of defending, his aggression and his leadership.
Can't wait to see him get started, I think he'll compliment Yoro tremendously in the future, once they get used to each other.
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See for my money id say on current ability:
- Martinez - He’s a gamechanging option in defence
- De Ligt - Solid all round
- Maguire - For the PL does a very good job
- Yoro - Maybe influenced a bit by potential here but I can see him next season being comfortably 3rd
- Lindelöf - Great containing style defender
- Evans - Solid performer
100%
He went from Ajax to Juve, learned A LOT there, went to Bayern and tens of thousands of Bayern fans were devastated to lose him. Doesn't sound like peaking at Ajax, at all, sounds like he's been progressing, actually. Not to mention that he will help us avoid playing Maguire/Lindelof/Evans and think all you want about De Ligt, but he is objectively a massive upgrade over that trio. Given the price we paid for De Ligt, he is very smart and exciting signing
Rio seemingly doesn't think much of the transfer. I think De Ligt will have a point to prove and i'm confident he can do it. It sounds like the Juventus transfer was the worst time in his career but that he actually did pretty well at Bayern other than the injuries and the fans didn't want him to go.
Plus it continues to be easy to forget he s still very young. Most defenders don't peak til late 20s and 30s. People keep making a lot of how he gets passed over in the Dutch natl team but they also forgot De Vrij and VVD at this pt are still obvious first choices.
Vastly overrating Maguire/Lindelof/Evans.
Maguire is decent but I certainly wouldn't say he's "very good" unless your plan is to just park the bus and need him to win a bunch of headers. But even then Varane was the clear better box defender. He's fine as a 4th option though. Lindelof is bottom of the PL level in terms of CB's and Evans probably shouldn't even still be in the Prem. Neither offers much progressively on the ball, athletically, or defending in any sort of aggressive manner.
Yeap! Maguire was Southgate's favorite but is not half the defender De Ligt is. Couldn't care less about decision-making of national team managers and if De Ligt plays there ever, as long as he improves us, which hopefully he does. No guarantees with any signing, but super excited and hopeful about this one
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I place this purely on current ability.
Unfortunately while I highly rate Yoro he’s not tested at a PL level or level reasonably similar to confidently place him higher.
Maguire has shown he can be a very good but not top quality PL CB so I think you’re being unfair there.
Lindelöf certainly isn’t bottom of the PL and Evans for his age has performed consistently and well for us despite his limitations.
Please note this is current ability and not a reflection of how the whole season may develop. My opinion isn’t fixed on this particular issue and it will change as we see more of Yoro.
Maguire's best season was 3 years ago and he's basically a specialist in one very specific style. He's never shown the ability to play in any sort of riskier areas as a CB consistently.
Lindelof literally wouldn't start for any club outside of the bottom 4-5. Evans performed consistently well when? We were pretty terrible all season defensively last year when he got far more game time then needed.
The way you're talking about all of these guys you'd think we'd have set defensive records in recent seasons when the truth is whenver Varane/Martinez has been out it's been shaky at best and a calamity more often than not. It's not even really me being harsh on them either, there's a reason Lindelof's only interest is basically Turkey on a super cut rate deal. I mean Maguire/Evans was a 9th place Leicester City partnership 6 fecking years ago
they've only gotten older since then.My preferred order of appearance would be
Martinez - tried and tested
DeLigt - Expecting good things
Yoro - great potential and would be annoying to see Maguire, Evans and Lindelof play ahead of him if all fit
Maguire - a great back up. Like May, Berg, Younger Evans before him
Evans - a great servant to the club
Lindelof - too passive. No need for him
Martinez - tried and tested
DeLigt - Expecting good things
Yoro - great potential and would be annoying to see Maguire, Evans and Lindelof play ahead of him if all fit
Maguire - a great back up. Like May, Berg, Younger Evans before him
Evans - a great servant to the club
Lindelof - too passive. No need for him
Yeah this is how I'd see it at present. If I was picking an 11 this would be order of preference
It is his birthday tomorrow
We can’t make him do a medical on his birthday, that’s mean
We can’t make him do a medical on his birthday, that’s mean
But if her passes the medical he can then officially sign the deal on his birthday , joining the greatest club in the world on your birthday is not a bad way to spend the day.
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I don’t think Maguire can defend wide spaces. He’s a box defender. But he’s also England’s 2nd choice (he would have started the Euros were he fit) so I think a bit of credit where it is due is needed. He’s not a bad CB he’s objectively a good one.Maguire's best season was 3 years ago and he's basically a specialist in one very specific style. He's never shown the ability to play in any sort of riskier areas as a CB consistently.
Lindelof literally wouldn't start for any club outside of the bottom 4-5. Evans performed consistently well when? We were pretty terrible all season defensively last year when he got far more game time then needed.
The way you're talking about all of these guys you'd think we'd have set defensive records in recent seasons when the truth is whenver Varane/Martinez has been out it's been shaky at best and a calamity more often than not. It's not even really me being harsh on them either, there's a reason Lindelof's only interest is basically Turkey on a super cut rate deal. I mean Maguire/Evans was a 9th place Leicester City partnership 6 fecking years ago
Lindelöf again I think you’re being harsh and so too with Evans. I don’t think any of them are starting quality for a side wanting to win leagues but as back ups they’ve been dependable more often than not. Dont get me wrong I’d still be looking to sell Lindelöf now.
I do worry that our fanbase is going to overhype Yoro while he’s still only 18 and expect some masterful performances when the PL is a very tough league for young CBs.
I cannot remember any off the top of my head who at 18 were coping with the physical levels and demands.
I fully expect Yoro to be a top quality CB and surpass easily Maguire but right now while I’d like to see more of Yoro than Maguire I’d imagine Maguire is currently the better player but it will be closer this season and eventually Yoro will be way out in front.
I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic by just suggesting Yoro, an 18 year old, might not quite be ready for the PL to be 3rd choice immediately. Whereas Maguire is ready to play due to his experience and quality. So right this very moment I’d put him in front.
I think there’s a difference between who we’d like to see play VS who is better on current ability.
If it’s about who I’d rather give minutes to:
De Ligt
Martinez
Yoro
A VAST CHASM
Maguire
Evans
Lindelöf
Strange situation here in that some United fans are a little underwhelmed he's joining and Bayern fans are annoyed he's leaving.
I cant say ive seen all that much of him to be honest. Never done this before but went over to the Bayern Munich sub on Reddit to see what they think, and the vast majority still believe he's their best CB and is only being sold because he's on big money.
Has he just been unlucky? The perception is he hasn't fulfilled his potential, but he won Serie A with Juventus, got a transfer to Bayern, won the Bundesliga, is regarded by a significant portion of their fanbase as their best CB...and we've a large chunk of people moaning we're paying £40m?
Could turn out to be an absolute bargain.
I cant say ive seen all that much of him to be honest. Never done this before but went over to the Bayern Munich sub on Reddit to see what they think, and the vast majority still believe he's their best CB and is only being sold because he's on big money.
Has he just been unlucky? The perception is he hasn't fulfilled his potential, but he won Serie A with Juventus, got a transfer to Bayern, won the Bundesliga, is regarded by a significant portion of their fanbase as their best CB...and we've a large chunk of people moaning we're paying £40m?
Could turn out to be an absolute bargain.
We’re not even paying £40m guaranteed. It is a bargain
Yeah look at Rio backing up Scholesy which says to me they aren't happy he is signing for the club
I'm assuming the AWB hold-up only affects Mazraoui but not De Ligt..?
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