We did kinda strong-arm the feck out of them for over a year to sell us Hargreaves massively against their will.
And then we did go and win a CL & PL double with him.
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We did kinda strong-arm the feck out of them for over a year to sell us Hargreaves massively against their will.
And then we did go and win a CL & PL double with him.
To be fair, it seems pretty obvious this is the case. It's fair enough really.
Ye I agree. We can’t just go splashing cash without guaranteed money coming in. It’s good that we’ve got a few teams interested in some of the players we want to sell though.
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I’m not sure where you have gotten this opinion of De Ligt from.
I’m not saying he’s bad at anything but I’m comparing him to the best CBs in the league for certain metrics.
De Ligt is a very good CB, he’s just not the best at anything. He would be an improvement on Maguire, but I’m unsure how much of an impact he’d make relative to his fee (which I’ve said a few times could be spent elsewhere).
What De Ligt does offer is well above average ball progression from passing (which he’s definitely better than Maguire at) and carrying (not necessarily tonnes better) composure on the ball (better) and is very good aerially too (worse).
So you pair him with an Ugarte and you’ve got a ball winner that allows De Ligt to have the time to get into position and be very secure out of possession whilst also having a pair of CBs whose on the ball ability makes up for Ugarte’s.
Now we can always say what happens if X is injured or Y but hopefully with good squad building that appears to be happening now at the club we’ll have the requisite depth to find solutions.
A good example is the signing of Zirkzee and Yoro as both offer depth and qualities that none of our other players do which may help us alleviate pressures in other areas of the pitch should they arise.
This one will take a while, but he'll come
This one is dead in the water.
I honestly think we're looking at LCB/LB options now. We've signed Yoro to be first choice sooner rather than later and De Ligt's on starter wages. That's why they wanted Branthwaite to cover both sides, but Everton wanted silly money. Bayern are also asking for too much given how big his wages are.
Maybe they'll come back to it if they can't get anyone else, but I think it's more likely now they'll sign someone else to cover a couple of positions and keep Maguire to ease Yoro into the PL.
They're all dead in the water until we sell players.
So just dead then?
We just don't do that selling stuff... when we do, it's for peanuts. Every now and then we actually get a decent fee, like Schneiderlin, Di Maria (which both were losses though) and now Greenwood.
Greenwood is a very good few/arrangement given the circumstances. Willy we got a good fee + buyback, Donny finally offloaded for peanuts but with loads of extras if he ever finds form again. I think Sancho will be next.
I mean it just seems negative for the sake of it to say shite like this, no? Different regime, at least wait and see what happens. Surely its more enjoyable to be positive and hopeful?
I think the potential deal for De Ligt was dead as soon as we signed Yoro, and will not be revived. If we bring in another CB, it will be a LCB who can also cover LB, but that, as you say, is probably dependent on shifting a CB (Lindelof/Maguire). To bring in a midfielder, we'll need to get rid of McTominay or Casemiro and to bring in a fullback, we need a buyer for AWB. Otherwise, I suspect we're looking at loan deals.
safe to say this one divides opinions.
What is happening with this deal? It's been discussed for over a year now. If he hasn't made his mind up yet, after all this time, then we need to draw a line under this. Football is moving on and other players are emerging, playing etc. ETH seems besotted by De Ligt.
He wants to join United and Bayern want to sell. We don't want to pay Bayern's asking price and probably aren't even in the market anymore for a RCB after signing Yoro, so it looks unlikely that this will happen.
Possible yes. But what we have spent? 50M net? It doesn´t sound very much and i could imagine that we can make one more signing anyway. Of course the number of players could become a problem if we don´t sell anybody.
German outlet Kicker just released an article outlining how Bayern is in a vicious cycle due to the crazy high salaries of their players and how desperate they are to sell.
They speculate that only De Ligt, Mazraoui and Coman have a market right now but the fact that sales don't seem close makes the planning for the transfer window very difficult.
You can run the article through Google translate if you like:
https://www.kicker.de/die-last-der-millionen-1040080/artikel
If you're still in the market for him, your negotiation position should be excellent as long as you stay patient...
They speculate that only De Ligt, Mazraoui and Coman have a market right now but the fact that sales don't seem close makes the planning for the transfer window very difficult.
You can run the article through Google translate if you like:
https://www.kicker.de/die-last-der-millionen-1040080/artikel
If you're still in the market for him, your negotiation position should be excellent as long as you stay patient...
Should we go for him instead?
He's big and not especially nimble. He struggles to deal with tricky/pacey players. I don't think he'd be a great fit in the Premier League and is 28 years old, which seems to be outside the age parameters of what Ineos are targeting.
There's a market for Coman?
No, he's not better than De Ligt at all
So far I've only heard of the odd rumours from Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc...
No. If we're buying a CB from Leverkusen, it should be Tapsoba or Kossonou.
I forgot about those two
I genuinely think we are at the point where the most urgent outgoings are probably sorted now. INEOS probably want to have a deeper look at the remaining players before setting a value on them or losing money just to sign players of similar quality. I think that’s probably why things have slowed down. The two who can raise the most money in Casemiro and Sancho could still be very good players for us if managed correctly.
AWB, at the very least a decent squad player. Maguire same. There seemed to be some interest in McT and Lindelof. I could imagine all now want to be starters somewhere at their age but are good squad options for us if the price isn’t right.
There will probably be a flurry of activity once we get back from tour. I’m confident the team has already been nicely upgraded with Yoro and Zirkzee and we will be harder to beat next season if that’s all the business we do. It won’t be though. De Ligt will come, too much noise and he’s too good of a player and a character to have in the bag and then reject.
Full back and midfield need work for sure
AWB, at the very least a decent squad player. Maguire same. There seemed to be some interest in McT and Lindelof. I could imagine all now want to be starters somewhere at their age but are good squad options for us if the price isn’t right.
There will probably be a flurry of activity once we get back from tour. I’m confident the team has already been nicely upgraded with Yoro and Zirkzee and we will be harder to beat next season if that’s all the business we do. It won’t be though. De Ligt will come, too much noise and he’s too good of a player and a character to have in the bag and then reject.
Full back and midfield need work for sure
If that's all the business will definitely lose it, midfield is a huge issue which at least needs a signing, also versatile FB will help a lot
As long as we can’t generate some revenues of Casemiro, McT etc we don’t even deserve a new player
Both look difficult to sell
This one will take a while to die in the water.
We're broke sadly, so yes.
Be patient guys, for once it's not us trying to sell an overpaid flop.
If there was no interest from us, the deal being spoken about will be loan with option to buy to some Italian club with the wages being subsidized and the option never exercised.
If there was no interest from us, the deal being spoken about will be loan with option to buy to some Italian club with the wages being subsidized and the option never exercised.
That's mental, 7 x players earning €17million per season each. No wonder they can't shift them.
I think de ligt will be a utd player by the close of the window, we just have to be patient.
A year?! Are you trolling?
Jeez one week of no news and everyone starts creating their own stories from us being broke to never wanting the player!! And then people wonder why journalists like Fabrizio keep tweeting nothing updates. Because everyone seems to want daily news when transfers don't really work that way.
Bayern want and need to sell him. We have brought in one defender already and in process of moving one or two out. We have enough time and can test Bayern patience on this. We are not that far off anyway and i fully expect a middle solution (40-45m euros) will be agreed if we want him
Well we have just spend close to 100m on 2 players without sales
I must have passed into a coma last night and awoken in the 2025 summer transfer window.
Did we win the league last season?
Thanks for sharing this. Very insightful. I’m sure our negotiating team knows this.
But seems we also need to sell a few players before spending more.
Having said that - do anticipate this one closing in the next few weeks.
We do need to buy 1 more CB for sure. As we will lose Varane, Kambwala and Lindelof (hopefully).
And our other two CB targets seem unattainable for now - Todibo and Branthwaite.
9 have left this summer already.
Yea they still need sales with them still trying to get Doue/Simons and Tah this summer. Think we'll see this go through without fuss once we get a few more sales out
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