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De Gea Replacement
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Both I presume.
He's shite at them, although it has to be said that he's really aware of it, even makes fun of himself for it. Pretty sure there are more keepers out there that have never saved a penalty in a competitive game, but the WC sub have really put a target on his back
Just because Cech plays with a back 4 that stays a lot lower, does that automatically mean that he doesn't have the reflex of moving ahead to help a higher line? We talk about Hoek helping DDG to improve that part, so where does it say Cech cannot learn an extra something? I never had the impression Edwin had to move so high to help his defenders, and yet he was LVG's goalkeeper of choice shortly after LVG became manager at Ajax. Still regardless, a goalkeeper at Manchester United is first and foremost supposed to save his team's ass when the time comes, especially if we allow a rare chance beyond a tight control of the match. I might be echoing Gary Neville's comments from last week, but that's the kind of goalkeeper we should aim first and I don't see how anyone bar Cech can do that at the moment if DDG leaves.
There's enough reasons to think van Gaal won't buy a second 33year old goalkeeper who doesn't fit the profile when already we've got a keeper at the club who does. He picked his keepers for the national team based on this profile and he signed Valdes because Lindegaard didn't fit it, in the last 2 years he's had to pick a goalkeeper 3/3 times he picked one that fitted the profile. Why would he change that if de Gea leaves? I can't see it happening, unless van Gaal changed his mind after signing Valdes..
A keeper under van Gaal takes part in the positional play, has to deal with constant instructed backpasses and plays behind a high-line. Sure Hoek can give him a few tips but he's not going to change Cech from a linekeeper into a sweeper at 33. Cech would probably be dropped after a month when he's constantly booting balls away when van Gaal still has Valdes who can keep possesion.
I also never heard that if a goalkeeper is good at passing/sweeping he can't be good at stopping goals?
No, but the crop of goalkeepers LVG ever had in any of his teams between VDS and DDG are either shite or simply not high caliber despite being what he wants of a sweeper. So I would certainly not rely on LVG's opinion for goalkeepers considering how they let him down a number of times more instead of being instrumental to the extra glory he could have had. Basically, that's the only domain where LVG better keep his mouth shut simply because his opinion on goalkeepers cost him his job in the past.
What happened to that Mexican keeper Ochoa? He looked very good in the World Cup and was pulling off some 'De Gea' style saves.
Why not de Gea to Atletico and Oblak to us?
You serious? The only reason we'd let him go is because Real want him and he hasn't signed his contract. Why would we swap him out for Oblak? Because he played for Atletico? There's no reasoning here
De Gea wants to go to back to Madrid, not necessarily Real Madrid. By doing a swap with AM for Oblak, we would get a decent replacement, without needing to splash stupid cash on the likes of Lloris or stopgap keepers like Cech (who may not be available in the first place).
Sounds like a solid plan until you take into consideration the fact that Atletico can't afford De Gea's wages unless he's willing to walk away from 200k a week for way less. Also, swap deals seldom actually happen. If he wanted Atletico ahead of Real he'd have had his agent sound them out (and if he did then they probably can't afford him otherwise he'd be linked with a return to them and not Real Madrid).
Don't know why you would think that's true.
I really hope we don't get fooled into signing Lloris.
His stats are dramatic both for Spurs and for France and imo a poor keeper often is a main cause of dysfunctional teams and atm there are not many more dysfunctional than Spurs and France.
Than there is the negotiation factor, no way we get Lloris without ridiculously overpaying even for PL terms. It will be the most expensive keeper transfer in the history I can almost guarantee that.
His stats are dramatic both for Spurs and for France and imo a poor keeper often is a main cause of dysfunctional teams and atm there are not many more dysfunctional than Spurs and France.
Than there is the negotiation factor, no way we get Lloris without ridiculously overpaying even for PL terms. It will be the most expensive keeper transfer in the history I can almost guarantee that.
Because all that's been said all along is that he's homesick, he misses his family and girlfriend in Madrid.
Aye but nobody said he wanted that so bad that he would be willing to sacrifice his career for it. The point is he has now been offered the best of both worlds: a more attractive club than us that also happens to be located in his home town.
I feel Lloris could be Barthez II.
According to Wikipedia he signed for Malaga and played exactly zero games for them. He has great reflexes but he isnt even good enough for a club with ambitions to fet Europa league football
And even that is an understatement. At least Barthez had a few earlier moments in his career where he stepped up his game, but Lloris just never did that at all when it mattered.
Barthez was a calamity keeper, an unpredictable, risk-taking lunatic. Lloris will never be that, and even though his stats are nothing special, he's a solid if unspectacular goalkeeper. It's an absurd comparison.
I think that Barthez bottom was worse than Lloris. However the bald fecker had also much higher celling.
I agree with you that Lloris is uninspiring keeper, a decent one....but feck me.if we splash cash on him. With respective contract situation of DDG and Lloris i feel we might end up paying more for inferior keeper.
the more I think about it the more it seems clear we will sign a number 2 to Valdes
why else bring in such a high profile player like VV on 100k a week if reports are to be believed unless we had a good idea that De Gea was going to go....
Cech would be the obvious signing if LVG didn't fancy Valdes and for 10 million it's a good deal
Lloris though...I know he's younger and played a lot more football but I'm not sure he's an improvement on Valdes
I could see us signing a number 2 goalkeeper to the Spaniard
why else bring in such a high profile player like VV on 100k a week if reports are to be believed unless we had a good idea that De Gea was going to go....
Cech would be the obvious signing if LVG didn't fancy Valdes and for 10 million it's a good deal
Lloris though...I know he's younger and played a lot more football but I'm not sure he's an improvement on Valdes
I could see us signing a number 2 goalkeeper to the Spaniard
Hopefully a young very talented one, i dont want Valdes as our number 1 but if someone like Leno will be his 'understudy' i will be fine with it. It gives Leno time to adapt to England and get some specific training to imrpove his game for the English way of goalkeeping. He could still play in the CL and all of the cup games. Just like Barcelona did with ter Stegen last season.
Leno would be more suited to the PL from the start than Valdes.
This.
I don't want to hear about Valdes being our number 1 when he's really poor in the air.
Cech is taking the Chelsea coach Lollichon with him to Arsenal too. It may be that we were interested, but van Gaal wants our keepers to work with Hoek.
I'd have Mignolet a level below the other two?!
Maybe Ter Stegen, but not Casillas. He hust makes too many mistakes that even a young player shouldn't be making. Casillas has truly fallen, and hard.
How often do you guys watch Leno? When he played against us for Leverkusen in the CL in 13/14 he was absolutely rubbish in the air. Conceded 9 goals against us, most of them very, very poor. His command in the air is still not great and it'll have to improve if he moves to the PL
All these goals are shocking. He's more afraid of crosses than Dracula and Mignolet @Devil may care
Look at 1:38
Ron-Robert Zieler is better than Leno right now
No, he's not. I've watched quite a lot of Leverkusen this season and Leno has massively improved throughout the season, especially in the areas you criticize him for. He's not perfect and there's room for improvement, but in my opinion he's the second best German goalkeeper (along with Ter Stegen) behind Neuer.
If Leno is.as good as.Ter Stegn then hes.good.enough for.me..
Becasue huge part of DDG move is that his family is in Madrid. Actually that swap makes sens
Have Atletico expressed interest though? Can they afford to pay his wages? Two big fat NOs
Tbh im more impressed by Timo Horn
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@Loublaze It needs to be said that goalkeepers on the continent don't come out for the ball, rare are the ones who are commanding in the air. And it shouldn't be a criteria in itself because they will all have to learn it and adapt to the refereeing. The scouts should focus on the physical and mental attributes when it comes to potential aerial prowess.
Now the main problem with Leno was the fact that he wasn't catching enough the footballs, too many punches, but this year he really changed his game.
Now the main problem with Leno was the fact that he wasn't catching enough the footballs, too many punches, but this year he really changed his game.
Thats true.
Ah yeah I know that, but purely because of his past, age etc. let's just put him a notch higher than the God awful Mingolet
It's a lazy comparisson to make, similarly lame would be saying "I feel Depay could be the next Ryan Babel" , when they're both distinctly differing players with differing attributes.
I must confess we must be one of the only fanbases in the PL, who if offered Lloris would feel disgruntled at the thought.
Instead we say.. "Well, I mean.. he makes a lot of fantastic saves but... maybe it's fault he's having to make them!
"I don't know anything about Leno or most other continental keepers because I only religiously watch the PL and the big Spanish teams, so there may well be great keepers out there I'm unaware of, that others are suggesting, but from what I've seen, soley in the games I watch, the only keepers I'd rather have over Lloris is De Gea, Courtois & Neur.
Lazy and lame!
Fair enough if you watch him a lot. Now, what do you think of Horn?
I liked Horn in 2013-2014 but I haven't seen a lot of him last season. Last season I liked Karius and Zieler but like all none PL goalkeepers they need to adapt to the English specificities in terms of refereeing and aerial expectations.
Horn is the future German number one IMO. Only 22 now, 6'4, is brave and very acrobatic even for his size. Im surprised we haven't been linked with him tbh. We haven't even been linked to Leno but his link to Real Madrid have pushed many fans to name him as a possible buy for United. I honestly didn't hear too many English/PL fans talk about him specifically before that.
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