De Gea Replacement

Who is your preferred replacement for De Gea?

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Turnip said:
Sort of. I agree at least United generated it's income itself, which is much better than Chelski. But doesn't make it feel much better tbh, still buying our way back to the top rather than developing youth with players that are part of the club's culture.
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I understand, But you have to remember that we also tried that route in the latter stages of Fergie's career and I hate to say it but we became a mediocre club, which is why our rivals were able to exploit Moyes' misfortunes.

I mean don't get me wrong I'd love to win the United way, it just hasn't happened for us in more than 2 decades in terms of getting quality players from our academy - most of them were great tools under Fergie and somewhat average without him - when you also include the fact that the quality of players from Britain and Ireland has regressed over the years, we simply have no choice.

I think spending our own money keeps us a level above teams with sugar daddies and dictators(city,Chelsea and Madrid), and teams that have called dibs on every rising star from the 17 teams in their leagues(Bayern).....heck even Barcelona have resigned to signing players to get back to the top again - as La Masia hasn't produced quality players in a while ( or is producing at a really slow pace).

Infact, I still think United is the only top club still trying to keep its tradition - we just told a solid GK back up to feck off for not playing with the reserves......the reserves!!
 
Turnip said:
Sort of. I agree at least United generated it's income itself, which is much better than Chelski. But doesn't make it feel much better tbh, still buying our way back to the top rather than developing youth with players that are part of the club's culture.
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I don't know of many top clubs these days that solely rely on homegrown talent as the backbone of their squad. I venture to guess that we'll never again see anything like what we experienced with the "You'll never win anything with kids" group of the 90's. Even then, realize that the majority of those teams included players that didn't come from our academy - that we went out and bought.

As old as I am, even I understand that times change and modern sports isn't comparable to the 'olden days of yore' when it comes to building a world class club. That's true in almost every major sport...at least in the U.S., and there isn't any shame in it if it comes down to the fact that the club itself is financing it's own endeavors by being able to generate the revenue to do that.

I wish more than anything that we could be supporter owned and operated but, that just isn't going to happen at this point. As it stands, being run as a business doesn't take away anything we accomplish on the pitch going forward. Considering that we are operating at a level that allows us to not only payoff the debt from the purchase of the club (something I think we all agree is bullshit) but, also allows for reinvestment back into the club, I'd say that we've come out of this with nearly the best scenario we could have asked for.

If we're going to operate as a business at least we're being successful on that front. If we're going to get wrung for every last penny and have our name plastered to every bit of purchasable good across the planet, at least we see that the ownership is putting a good portion of that back towards getting who and what we need to win.
 
Supposedly, tomorrow madrid announce Kiko Casilla as new gk. Don't think it rules out De Gea transfer but it relieves some pressure.
 
It's official: real madrid sign Kiko Casilla for 6m. We'll see how this affects the De Gea transfer.
 
I imagine they got Casilla in so we didn't have the bargaining power over them only having one keeper.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Probably. But what happens if Casilla has a brilliant season? Or De Gea breaks up with his missus? The more factors that could scupper a Madrid move next summer the better.
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I don't think he'd be their number 1 keeper tbh. I think they have brought him in as a number two; they will now sell Navas and still buy De Gea. We'll see I suppose.
 
Kind of strange, selling a keeper named Casillas and signing a keeper named Casilla in the same window.

We should have signed Ronald when we sold Ronaldo.
 
vodrake said:
I imagine they got Casilla in so we didn't have the bargaining power over them only having one keeper.
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We don't have a first choice keeper as well apart from DDG. So they really cannot think that we will sell him on the cheap considering he is a world class GK and we don't have a backup for him.
 
I've seen a few journos say that we wanted Navas last summer, as LVG wasn't sure about De Gea. I would have thought something like £20m and Navas might be a reasonable compromise for everyone in that case? Weird that that hasn't really been floated at all (the Navas swap generally, rather than my plucked-from-my-arse figure of £20m).
 
Brophs said:
I've seen a few journos say that we wanted Navas last summer, as LVG wasn't sure about De Gea. I would have thought something like £20m and Navas might be a reasonable compromise for everyone in that case? Weird that that hasn't really been floated at all (the Navas swap generally, rather than my plucked-from-my-arse figure of £20m).
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Swaps almost never happen in football.
 
dxadel said:
Swaps almost never happen in football.
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Well the point I was making was more if we want(ed) a keeper they have but don't want and they want a keeper we have but who doesn't want us, isn't there a deal to be done, whether it's by means of a swap, or two separate deals, of fecking Tesco Clubcard points if it comes to that.
 
Brophs said:
I've seen a few journos say that we wanted Navas last summer, as LVG wasn't sure about De Gea. I would have thought something like £20m and Navas might be a reasonable compromise for everyone in that case? Weird that that hasn't really been floated at all (the Navas swap generally, rather than my plucked-from-my-arse figure of £20m).
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Not sure if there is any truth to that to be fair. Navas isn't really a keeper with good passing or a sweeper and van Gaal really values that, exactly why van Gaal wasn't sure about de Gea and brought in Valdes over Lindegaard. If we're interested in Navas it's most likely as 2nd choice.
 
Brophs said:
Well the point I was making was more if we want(ed) a keeper they have but don't want and they want a keeper we have but who doesn't want us, isn't there a deal to be done, whether it's by means of a swap, or two separate deals, of fecking Tesco Clubcard points if it comes to that.
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Yeah i got that, i just dont think Navas is on our radar.
 
Brophs said:
I've seen a few journos say that we wanted Navas last summer, as LVG wasn't sure about De Gea. I would have thought something like £20m and Navas might be a reasonable compromise for everyone in that case? Weird that that hasn't really been floated at all (the Navas swap generally, rather than my plucked-from-my-arse figure of £20m).
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I really don't rate that guy, good shot stopper but not much else. It seems we're only being linked to La Liga goalies now.
 
If @NL Max is right, maybe a very good scenario could be to keep de Gea this year, and then get Cillessen who would get another year at Ajax and continue his development. Of course we could opt against Cillessen if he doesn't improve the way people are expecting him to develop.

I don't know why are people so against him, as he doesn't really look like a bad keeper, just needs bit more time, but maybe a haven't seen enough of him.
 
Kounan said:
If @NL Max is right, maybe a very good scenario could be to keep de Gea this year, and then get Cillessen who would get another year at Ajax and continue his development. Of course we could opt against Cillessen if he doesn't improve the way people are expecting him to develop.

I don't know why are people so against him, as he doesn't really look like a bad keeper, just needs bit more time, but maybe a haven't seen enough of him.
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Another year has gone by since the WC, has he saved a penalty yet? IF not, do not want.
 
Cal? said:
Another year has gone by since the WC, has he saved a penalty yet? IF not, do not want.
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If he improves on other aspects of his game that need improving, I am happy to take him and train penalties at AON training Complex (let's earn the money they give us :D).
 
Cal? said:
Another year has gone by since the WC, has he saved a penalty yet? IF not, do not want.
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He only became a starter at Ajax half a year before the WC and he was VI's footballer of the year still. Last year he was Ajax player of the year. Many look at his age and think he's been around for a long time, but he's been mostly a sub at Ajax since he moved from NEC. He's a late bloomer and only played about 100 matches of football, I definately see good potential in him. He's shite at penalties but pretty good at everything else.

I wouldn't want him this year, he's now at a club where he's unchallanged (Boer really is a backup goalie) and at a good club for his development. We could do a whole lot worse than Cillessen though, like Sergio Romero or Kenneth Vermeer.
 
NL Max said:
He only became a starter at Ajax half a year before the WC and he was VI's footballer of the year still. Last year he was Ajax player of the year. Many look at his age and think he's been around for a long time, but he's been mostly a sub at Ajax since he moved from NEC. He's a late bloomer and only played about 100 matches of football, I definately see good potential in him. He's shite at penalties but pretty good at everything else.

I wouldn't want him this year, he's now at a club where he's unchallanged (Boer really is a backup goalie) and at a good club for his development. We could do a whole lot worse than Cillessen though, like Sergio Romero or Kenneth Vermeer.
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Do you think that one year should be enough for him do develop enough to come to us?
 
Kounan said:
Do you think that one year should be enough for him do develop enough to come to us?
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It could be enough, but that's a tad optimistic. He certainly has the potential for a big club in the future but since I only really followed him for 2 years I can't judge him that well. I would just find it a shame if he leaves Ajax to sit on a bench somewhere, he's done that long enough in his carreer already. I was pretty sure van Gaal wouldn't go for him but with Lloris possibly out of the question and Valdes for sure, he might consider Cillessen.
 
A year is such a long time in football, someone could easily emerge as a beast of keeper, and who knows Madrid might just drop their interest in DDG and go for them instead, if not we'll just got for them.

If I was DDG and absolutely had my heart set on a move to Madrid i'd be worried at this point, for the above point, and the fact that much as United fans are a good supporting bunch they won't be very forgiving if his from dips with this hanging over him, or if he is still spectacular will offer him such support that it might just turn his head back towards us, who knows he might split up with his 'never wants to live outside Madrid' girlfriend.
 
NL Max said:
It could be enough, but that's a tad optimistic. He certainly has the potential for a big club in the future but since I only really followed him for 2 years I can't judge him that well. I would just find it a shame if he leaves Ajax to sit on a bench somewhere, he's done that long enough in his carreer already. I was pretty sure van Gaal wouldn't go for him but with Lloris possibly out of the question and Valdes for sure, he might consider Cillessen.
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It's very hard to judge with Cillessen considering how short he's been a starter at Ajax. One year can make a lot of difference, lets see.

Also, that tagline. :lol:
 
All these shit keepers we've been linked with, we best just get Lloris or let De Gea's contract run out.
 
dxadel said:
I understand, But you have to remember that we also tried that route in the latter stages of Fergie's career and I hate to say it but we became a mediocre club, which is why our rivals were able to exploit Moyes' misfortunes.

I mean don't get me wrong I'd love to win the United way, it just hasn't happened for us in more than 2 decades in terms of getting quality players from our academy - most of them were great tools under Fergie and somewhat average without him - when you also include the fact that the quality of players from Britain and Ireland has regressed over the years, we simply have no choice.

I think spending our own money keeps us a level above teams with sugar daddies and dictators(city,Chelsea and Madrid), and teams that have called dibs on every rising star from the 17 teams in their leagues(Bayern).....heck even Barcelona have resigned to signing players to get back to the top again - as La Masia hasn't produced quality players in a while ( or is producing at a really slow pace).

Infact, I still think United is the only top club still trying to keep its tradition - we just told a solid GK back up to feck off for not playing with the reserves......the reserves!!
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I do agree here, however calling a team which won the league mediocre seems kinda wrong. By no means was it one of United's greats, but it still performed the best (results-wise at least) in a tough league.
But yeah, it's still not quite as bad, but regardless can't help but feel less impressed by it.
dave2528 said:
I don't know of many top clubs these days that solely rely on homegrown talent as the backbone of their squad. I venture to guess that we'll never again see anything like what we experienced with the "You'll never win anything with kids" group of the 90's. Even then, realize that the majority of those teams included players that didn't come from our academy - that we went out and bought.

As old as I am, even I understand that times change and modern sports isn't comparable to the 'olden days of yore' when it comes to building a world class club. That's true in almost every major sport...at least in the U.S., and there isn't any shame in it if it comes down to the fact that the club itself is financing it's own endeavors by being able to generate the revenue to do that.

I wish more than anything that we could be supporter owned and operated but, that just isn't going to happen at this point. As it stands, being run as a business doesn't take away anything we accomplish on the pitch going forward. Considering that we are operating at a level that allows us to not only payoff the debt from the purchase of the club (something I think we all agree is bullshit) but, also allows for reinvestment back into the club, I'd say that we've come out of this with nearly the best scenario we could have asked for.

If we're going to operate as a business at least we're being successful on that front. If we're going to get wrung for every last penny and have our name plastered to every bit of purchasable good across the planet, at least we see that the ownership is putting a good portion of that back towards getting who and what we need to win.
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I'm not saying they should solely rely on it, but it would be nice to have some players which spend the majority of their careers here to sort of keep a rolling identity. That makes sense in my head at least.
 
Seen on Twitter that Navas has been given #1, and Casilla #13 shirt ahead of next season.

Whilst it probably means nothing, it makes me think De Gea is staying put and Madrid will just wait till next season.
 
bucky said:
I hate bugging you, but what do you think of Benjamin Lecomte? @kouroux @JPRouve
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I'm sorry, I don't watch the Ligue 2 and last season I haven't watched Lorient at the exception of August, so my knowledge about Lecomte is pretty thin.
 
JPRouve said:
I'm sorry, I don't watch the Ligue 2 and last season I haven't watched Lorient at the exception of August, so my knowledge about Lecomte is pretty thin.
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No problem, was just wondering, because I heard good things about him last season.
 
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