De Gea Replacement

Who is your preferred replacement for De Gea?

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Steven Seagull said:
I know you and 1 or 2 others on here love him but he's awful. Makes mistakes and makes even bigger mistakes in the biggest games. Couldn't catch a cold. Absolute shite, if he started for us next season I'd cry
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What mistakes in what big games? Please name and shame or admit you're talking crap. Galatasaray virtually had no defence in the CL and he was totally exposed with the non existent marking in front of him. The same can be said about Leno with Leverkusen in the CL two seasons ago when we beat them 5-0 and 4-2 in the group stage. Leno was hapless (im obviously using him as an example because he's been mentioned here as a possible replacement and I also think he's a good keeper).

Muslera helped Uruguay reach the semifinals of the WC in 2010 with his two penalty saves against Ghana (two of the Dutch goals in the 3-2 semi win were quality, one took two deflections before going in) and he was ever present when they won the Copa America the following year, saving a Tevez penalty in the qtr finals and keeping successive clean sheets in the semis and final.

Even in 2014 when Uruguay were poor he still kept a clean sheet against Italy and was solid when Uruguay beat England 2-1. The two goals he conceded against James Rodriguez in the round of 16 were absolute quality, one of them was the goal of the tournament FFS.
Nani OT pen save


Tevez Copa America qtr final shootout save


Again, please back up makes 'even bigger mistakes' in the 'biggest' games. Its ok to not rate a player but stick to the facts
 
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Cillessen isn't exactly a top class keeper, is he? Would be a strange choice.
 
Loublaze said:
What mistakes in what big games? Please name and shame or admit you're talking crap. Galatasaray virtually had no defence in the CL and he was totally exposed with the non existent marking in front of him. The same can be said about Leno with Leverkusen in the CL two seasons ago when we beat them 5-0 and 4-2 in the group stage. Leno was hapless (im obviously using him as an example because he's been mentioned here as a possible replacement and I also think he's a good keeper).

Muslera helped Uruguay reach the semifinals of the WC in 2010 with his two penalty saves against Ghana (two of the Dutch goals in the 3-2 semi win were quality, one took two deflections before going in) and he was ever present when they won the Copa America the following year, saving a Tevez penalty in the qtr finals and keeping successive clean sheets in the semis and final.

Even in 2014 when Uruguay were poor he still kept a clean sheet against Italy and was solid when Uruguay beat England 2-1. The two goals he conceded against James Rodriguez in the round of 16 were absolute quality, one of them was the goal of the tournament FFS.
Nani OT pen save


Tevez Copa America qtr final shootout save


Again, please back up makes 'even bigger mistakes' in the 'biggest' games. Its ok to not rate a player but stick to the facts
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Last time he played in England at the Emirates he was awful. Made 2 mistakes in the World Cup 2010 against Germany. You citing his clean sheet for Uruguay vs 10 man Italy in the most dour game you'll ever see isn't particularly impressive, and we shouldn't sign keepers based on penalty saves.

De Gea has had to play with a bunch of clowns in front of him at many times in the last couple of years but it hasn't affected his ability to catch a football too much. Parries absolutely everything at all heights. Awful.
 
sullydnl said:
Cillessen isn't exactly a top class keeper, is he? Would be a strange choice.
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Player of the year at Ajax last season and was voted player of the year by Voetbal International (respected Dutch source) the year before that. He's a good goalkeeper, but a bit of a weird one. He's extremely cool minded, he doesn't get fazed by pressure at all. He's a decent sweeper keeper and pretty good with his feet but prone for the odd howler. I find it difficult to describe him but he's a good all-round keeper.

He's 26 but only broke trough at Ajax 1,5 season ago, he extended his contract last year and said he wants to stay when he was linked to United a few weeks ago. He hasn't played alot of first team football yet and staying at Ajax would be a good choice in his carreer. I definately think he has the potential to become a great keeper, but I wouldn't class him as one of the best talents around right now. He wasn't even first choice for the national team (that was Vermeer- a Valdes mk2) so I doubt van Gaal prefers him over all the keepers he could buy with the money he's got. Ajax aren't keen on selling either, nor do they need money right now. We'd overpay for a keeper who isn't great yet and might not ever be. I can only seen van Gaal going for him if there are no other talents around who are good passers/sweepers, but I doubt that.
 
What are the chances that with all the scouts and resources available to us, after a worldwide search of the very best goalkeepers available, the best option just happened to be the Dutch keeper who worked with Van Gaal and Hoek before?

This isn't a great signing. Those saying that De Gea was small and weak when he came are forgetting that De Gea was a kid. This guy is 26 years old. He's been goalkeeping with his physique for a long time and it's not guaranteed he can simply bulk up and continue to perform at the questionable level he is now.

We've failed to adequately replace keepers before and it's hurt us. Cannot understand why we would do it again, especially when there are tested keepers like Cech and Lloris (presumably) available. If there is an amazing young prospect out there (a la De Gea when we signed him) go for it. Otherwise spend what it takes to bring in proven world class. Don't settle for the likes of Cillessen
 
diarm said:
What are the chances that with all the scouts and resources available to us, after a worldwide search of the very best goalkeepers available, the best option just happened to be the Dutch keeper who worked with Van Gaal and Hoek before?

This isn't a great signing. Those saying that De Gea was small and weak when he came are forgetting that De Gea was a kid. This guy is 26 years old. He's been goalkeeping with his physique for a long time and it's not guaranteed he can simply bulk up and continue to perform at the questionable level he is now.

We've failed to adequately replace keepers before and it's hurt us. Cannot understand why we would do it again, especially when there are tested keepers like Cech and Lloris (presumably) available. If there is an amazing young prospect out there (a la De Gea when we signed him) go for it. Otherwise spend what it takes to bring in proven world class. Don't settle for the likes of Cillessen
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When we bought de Gea he had played around 84 matches of professional football, Cillessen has played about 124 and that's including the national team - he has played 93 matches for Ajax and NEC. Although he might be 26 he was originally 2nd choice at Ajax when he came from NEC and only became a starter in the year before the worldcup - exactly the reason he was first choice as he'd relegated Vermeer (the national team #1) to the bench at Ajax so van Gaal dropped Vermeer because he lacked match rhythm. For a goalkeeper Cillessen is still quite young and definately has talent. If van Gaal buys him he obviously sees something in him.

Not wanting him here is fine, neither do I, but have you actually seem him outside of the worldcup? Besides, this rumour is most likely bollocks anyways.
 
NL Max said:
When we bought de Gea he had played around 84 matches of professional football, Cillessen has played about 124 and that's including the national team - he has played 93 matches for Ajax and NEC. Although he might be 26 he was originally 2nd choice at Ajax when he came from NEC and only became a starter in the year before the worldcup - exactly the reason he was first choice as he'd relegated Vermeer (the national team #1) to the bench at Ajax so van Gaal dropped Vermeer because he lacked match rhythm. For a goalkeeper Cillessen is still quite young and definately has talent. If van Gaal buys him he obviously sees something in him.

Not wanting him here is fine, neither do I, but have you actually seem him outside of the worldcup? Besides, this rumour is most likely bollocks anyways.
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I've seen him play 3 times for Holland outside the world cup games as well as around 5 or 6 times for Ajax. Admittedly not much but enough to trust my instincts on this one.

I didn't mean that he was too old to be a good keeper or a good buy. I meant that at 26, it is much more difficult to completely change your physical build than it is when you are 20. I've never seen a keeper with his build succeed in the premier league.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Last time he played in England at the Emirates he was awful. Made 2 mistakes in the World Cup 2010 against Germany. You citing his clean sheet for Uruguay vs 10 man Italy in the most dour game you'll ever see isn't particularly impressive, and we shouldn't sign keepers based on penalty saves.

De Gea has had to play with a bunch of clowns in front of him at many times in the last couple of years but it hasn't affected his ability to catch a football too much. Parries absolutely everything at all heights. Awful.
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You're clutching at straws. You said bigger mistakes in bigger games, and all you can do is attack his legit clean sheet against Italy for lame reasons and mention 'last time he played at the Emirates' he was awful. You're so lazy in your criticism that you can't even give more details. Welbeck scored a hatrick that day and he was totally unchallenged by a useless defence. There's nothing much he could do for all the goals and I doubt most keepers would've stood a chance playing with such a naive defence. It was a bloody group game in the CL as well, not the biggest games are they? Not one single major mistake mentioned by you.

I've clearly shown that he's performed well in the biggest games he's had to play in the last 5 years. Whats games are bigger than the world cup knockouts and the Copa America final for a South American? The CL is the only other measure, and his team has been shit in that. Compare the 9 goals Leno conceded to United in 2013/14 to the 4 Muslera conceded to Arsenal this season in the CL.

Here's a clip of the game at the Emirates you so weakly mentioned to 'back' your argument about his 'bigger' mistakes in 'big' games. Anyone watching this with a basic grasp of football will see that the defence was utterly garbage and the keeper was left no chance



Now compare that to these soft goals Leno let in against United





Leno was weak as feck in the air for a lot of those goals, worse than Mignolet. Probably something his supporters need to look closely at (I don't know if he's since improved on this).
 
Loublaze said:
You're clutching at straws. You said bigger mistakes in bigger games, and all you can do is attack his legit clean sheet against Italy for lame reasons and mention 'last time he played at the Emirates' he was awful. You're so lazy in your criticism that you can't even give more details. Welbeck scored a hatrick that day and he was totally unchallenged by a useless defence. There's nothing much he could do for all the goals and I doubt most keepers would've stood a chance playing with such a naive defence. It was a bloody group game in the CL as well, not the biggest games are they? Not one single major mistake mentioned by you.

I've clearly shown that he's performed well in the biggest games he's had to play in the last 5 years. Whats games are bigger than the world cup knockouts and the Copa America final for a South American? The CL is the only other measure, and his team has been shit in that. Compare the 9 goals Leno conceded to United in 2013/14 to the 4 Muslera conceded to Arsenal this season in the CL.

Here's a clip of the game at the Emirates you so weakly mentioned to 'back' your argument about his 'bigger' mistakes in 'big' games. Anyone watching this with a basic grasp of football will see that the defence was utterly garbage and the keeper was left no chance



Now compare that to these soft goals Leno let in against United





Leno was weak as feck in the air for a lot of those goals, worse than Mignolet. Probably something his supporters need to look closely at (I don't know if he's since improved on this).
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I'm sorry Lou I'm not going to do this all night and watch your clips. I've seen enough of him to think he's awful. Unless you want me to download the matches and pinpoint the exact moment he makes a meal of things. But I would be here all night. Nothing other than him changing his style of goalkeeping and increasing his abilities in the future will change my mind on him. I do not question your "basic grasp of football" in other threads but if you are happy with mediocrity like Ashley Young I understand why you would enjoy this Masala fraud. I am not sure why you keep bringing up Leno. It is quite odd. Thanks Lou
 
Steven Seagull said:
I'm sorry Lou I'm not going to do this all night and watch your clips. I've seen enough of him to think he's awful. Unless you want me to download the matches and pinpoint the exact moment he makes a meal of things. But I would be here all night. Nothing other than him changing his style of goalkeeping and increasing his abilities in the future will change my mind on him. I do not question your "basic grasp of football" in other threads but if you are happy with mediocrity like Ashley Young I understand why you would enjoy this Masala fraud. I am not sure why you keep bringing up Leno. It is quite odd. Thanks Lou
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Fair enough. I feel i've shown examples while you haven't offered any that hold any weight. Young was one of our bright sparks last season, why diss him when he deserves even a little credit? I brought up Leno just an example to compare. Sweet dreams
 
What about Yann Sommer? He is a great goalkeeper, doing very well for his club and still has lots of potential. Could become a top top goalie imo
 
Leno is one of the best Gk in Germany not named Neuer, along with Burki & Sommer. He's 23 now and has incredible potential to improve further, Muslera is NOT good enough for United, simple. If we want to go down the long term route, I'll happily go for Leno, if we want an "experienced" head then Cech or Handanovic would be good options, Lloris would be a good option too but he's not really as good as many people make him out to be, especially considering the stupid amount Spurs would ask for.
 
SirBobbysCombover said:
Ever since that head injury Cech has been damaged goods,I really don't believe he would be the answer imho
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That's really harsh. Since that injury, he won 1 League title, 4 FA Cups, 1 Champions League, 1 Europa League and 1 Community Shield despite several changes and the presence of dross on the pitch and on the bench between both Mourinho spells at Chelsea. That's not bad for a goalkeeper playing for a team that was considered as a sinking ship not so long ago.

And about Cillesen, LVG can go feck himself if he dares to go down that path because that will lead him to a sack just like it happened for him in Barcelona.
 
Loublaze said:
You can easily say the same about Leno what you said about Oblak, unless we're getting into specifics over his weaknesses. Ruffier? Are we just pulling names out of a hat now :lol:. He's so good he's only played once for France. Muslera is a good shout. Asenjo is a good shot stopper and very athletic but haven't seen much of him
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Ruffier has been mentioned by some other posters on here I thought he wasn't a bad shout. Don't be de deluded by his national appearances, Lloris is the main goalkeeper of france but doesn't nesc mean that he is that much better. You have a similar situation with De Gea and Casillias for example.
 
legball said:
Leno is one of the best Gk in Germany not named Neuer, along with Burki & Sommer. He's 23 now and has incredible potential to improve further, Muslera is NOT good enough for United, simple. If we want to go down the long term route, I'll happily go for Leno, if we want an "experienced" head then Cech or Handanovic would be good options, Lloris would be a good option too but he's not really as good as many people make him out to be, especially considering the stupid amount Spurs would ask for.
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Why ? excellent goalkeeper as far as I can tell
 
Leno looks terrible in the air from what i've seen of him. Has he improved in that area of his game? Just look at the 9 goals he conceded against United in the CL in 2013/14

NoArroJusBeta said:
Ruffier has been mentioned by some other posters on here I thought he wasn't a bad shout. Don't be de deluded by his national appearances, Lloris is the main goalkeeper of france but doesn't nesc mean that he is that much better. You have a similar situation with De Gea and Casillias for example.
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Fair enough. I guess people who actually watch him know better. From clips i've seen he looks average
 
Loublaze said:
Leno looks terrible in the air from what i've seen of him. Has he improved in that area of his game? Just look at the 9 goals he conceded against United in the CL in 2013/14
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He has improved. Of course that is still not his best asset, but neither was De Gea's when he came here. He's still pretty young so he'll develop that as well if he comes to England. Maybe the closest we can get to De Gea's level at the moment from all options.

If he comes we have to be patient as he'll probably make some errors in the box from crosses, but he can mature and be on De Gea's level given time and right progress.
 
Enigma_87 said:
He has improved. Of course that is still not his best asset, but neither was De Gea's when he came here. He's still pretty young so he'll develop that as well if he comes to England. Maybe the closest we can get to De Gea's level at the moment from all options.

If he comes we have to be patient as he'll probably make some errors in the box from crosses, but he can mature and be on De Gea's level given time and right progress.
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Are we actually linked to him? I've seen more links to Arsenal, but then it seems they're linked to every GK we're linked to. He's also been linked with Real Madrid
 
Loublaze said:
Are we actually linked to him? I've seen more links to Arsenal, but then it seems they're linked to every GK we're linked to. He's also been linked with Real Madrid
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Unfortunately not, at least from what I know. Barcelona, Real(if they get De Gea), Chelsea, Bayern all are set with quality keepers for years to come, so we shouldn't face that much competition if we're interested in him.
 
Bayern just sign Sven Ulreich. I assume Neuer is on his way to United. :smirk:
 
If it's not Cech, we should sign someone with DDG's profile - young and with a high ceiling, especially since we have a good backup.
 
berbatrick said:
If it's not Cech, we should sign someone with DDG's profile - young and with a high ceiling, especially since we have a good backup.
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That or proven worldclass, problem is however that gk in both of these categories are very, very limited.
 
RooneyLegend said:
What about Buttland? What's he up to nowadays?
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Gets regularly selected for England but bench warms at Stoke, doesn't he? Wouldn't mind him here as a second keeper to Valdes or something, then he could make the leap in a couple of years.
 
All the rumours seem to say Cech is going to Arsenal. We should be all over that. They should not be able to compete with us. If we end up with the Ajax keeper I will be disgusted, he's terrible.
 
Name Changed said:
All the rumours seem to say Cech is going to Arsenal. We should be all over that. They should not be able to compete with us. If we end up with the Ajax keeper I will be disgusted, he's terrible.
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Please, explain this to me. I've read this so many times but cannot understand it. I'm a PSV fan but in the 2 seasons where Cillessen has been first choice at Ajax he's been great and only improving. He can't save a penalty but he's a very complete goalkeeper otherwise and a late bloomer. Player of the year voted by VI pre-WC and Ajax player of the year last season. Besides he's signed a new contract and denied rumours of joining Manchester United, he's already spent a long time on the bench at Ajax so I doubt he'll give up his spot there so soon. We could do a whole lot worse than Cillessen though.

Cech doesn't fit the goalkeeper profile, don't even think van Gaal wants him.
 
Name Changed said:
All the rumours seem to say Cech is going to Arsenal. We should be all over that. They should not be able to compete with us. If we end up with the Ajax keeper I will be disgusted, he's terrible.
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Yes the rumours say he's going to Arsenal, for family reasons - why waste time on him, he isn't interested?
 
NL Max said:
Please, explain this to me. I've read this so many times but cannot understand it. I'm a PSV fan but in the 2 seasons where Cillessen has been first choice at Ajax he's been great and only improving. He can't save a penalty but he's a very complete goalkeeper otherwise and a late bloomer. Player of the year voted by VI pre-WC and Ajax player of the year last season. Besides he's signed a new contract and denied rumours of joining Manchester United, he's already spent a long time on the bench at Ajax so I doubt he'll give up his spot there so soon. We could do a whole lot worse than Cillessen though.

Cech doesn't fit the goalkeeper profile, don't even think van Gaal wants him.
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Anytime I have watched him, which has mostly been internationally, he has been distinctly average. He is pretty damn small for a goalkeeper which will not suit the PL. He doesn't seem to be too strong either & think he would really struggle against the likes of Stoke. Also the fact that he seems to find it impossible to stop a penalty doesn't say much for his shop stopping in general. We need a proper goalkeeper, not an average one.
 
What's the actual issue with Cillessen and saving penalties?
Was Krul just better, or is Cillessen really really poor at them?
 
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