[Kostov]

Why are you getting offended that we are talking about DDGin the DDG thread?
Do you want us to talk about Garnachos mistakes or Freds mistakes in here?

Again, this is the DDG thread so DDG is going to be discussed not other players. Why is that difficult to understand?
Also the part about other keeps not doing the same. Thats a point you make if youre saying DDG is the best out there and we cant improve upon him.

We obviously can and his flaws are pointed out. Just like when he makes great saves, those are pointed out. This isnt anything personal. against DDG so if were talking about blubber, what did mentioning Raya achieve in terms of talking about DDGs performance?

Who is getting offended actually? Did I not ask a valid question? What happened to danger prevention as that is being talked on every page on here, proactive proactive proactive. Leeds had 5 corners yesterday to our 6. Why are we now not using the same logic to defend DDG, how were we proactive as a team yesterday? Why despite the GK being let down by his teammates yesterday, by not having any sort of control of the game, you find a way to criticize him instead? Is it some kind of agenda?

 

[Kostov]

No all we want from De Gea is his basic GK duties, not much to ask for from the highest paid GK in the world. And we don't get them. According to Fbref he hasn't stopped a cross since the Fulham game, that was in November.

You have a 50m midfielder who can't play football playing every week, I think you can live with DDG not catching a cross for now.

 

[Olecurls99]

No all we want from De Gea is his basic GK duties, not much to ask for from the highest paid GK in the world. And we don't get them. According to Fbref he hasn't stopped a cross since the Fulham game, that was in November.

He tried to stop a cross for the 2nd goal. Should have just stayed on his line though

 

[Longshanks]

Was it great goalkeeping? No,

Was it the reason we conceded? No.

The reason we conceded was down to poor defensive clearance, poor decisions from Garnacho, Poor defensive work from Dalot, Poor play from Varane.

This is the De Gea thread, yet similar to the Maguire thread, or the McTominay thread, any single mistake from anyone on the field seems to be automatically De Geas fault now.
I guess with Maguire not featuring and McT injured there has to be another scapegoat for our mistakes.

Out of all of those mistakes and poor play, De Gea's was by far the worst. And all of it can be traced back to De Gea's mistake. And it's a very basic mistake that the vast majority of pro keepers wouldn't make, let alone on masquerading as one of the best in the world.

 

[Longshanks]

You have a 50m midfielder who can't play football playing every week, I think you can live with DDG not catching a cross for now.

He wouldn't play if everyone was available, but De Gea would. And this is the De Gea thread iv been critical of Fred in his thread aswell. But Fred was playing out of position in a cobbled together midified with a brand new partner. You might expect some issues. You wouldn't expect glaring issues with your No1 highly paid GK. But here we are.

 

[Longshanks]

That's a hell of a catch if he pulls it off with a defender literally between his shoulders but carry on with the hypercriticism

Very strange characters on here

Pro GKs catch those sort of balls all the time, or they get a big old punch on it out of danger. They don't pat it down into the danger area.

 

[Oranges038]

No all we want from De Gea is his basic GK duties, not much to ask for from the highest paid GK in the world. And we don't get them. According to Fbref he hasn't stopped a cross since the Fulham game, that was in November.

Catching a cross.

That's modern goalkeeper stuff.

We don't want any of that around here.

He tried to stop a cross for the 2nd goal. Should have just stayed on his line though

The problem there is Varane doesn't trust DDG to be there, he doesn't get a shout from his keeper and doesn't know he's going for it. So he feels he has to try and deal with it.

 

[JB7]

Was it great goalkeeping? No,

Was it the reason we conceded? No.

The reason we conceded was down to poor defensive clearance, poor decisions from Garnacho, Poor defensive work from Dalot, Poor play from Varane.

This is the De Gea thread, yet similar to the Maguire thread, or the McTominay thread, any single mistake from anyone on the field seems to be automatically De Geas fault now.
I guess with Maguire not featuring and McT injured there has to be another scapegoat for our mistakes.

None of which happens if the goalkeeper catches the fecking ball in the previous passage of play. It's him punching the ball directly at our own players feet that leads to the scrambled clearance and gives them the opportunity to win the ball back. I don't understand how people can't see this, it is so basic.

 

[JB7]

The problem there is Varane doesn't trust DDG to be there, he doesn't get a shout from his keeper and doesn't know he's going for it. So he feels he has to try and deal with it.

He's going for the ball because he knows he messed up with the punch a few seconds earlier. He nearly always loses his head following a mistake, it's often followed up with another error in fairness, but in this instance he positioned himself to go for a ball that he would never usually go for to rectify his initial mistake - which is fine if you communicate that. But obviously he doesn't think to tell anybody that because he's the quietest goalkeeper in the history of the game.

 

[Champ]

None of which happens if the goalkeeper catches the fecking ball in the previous passage of play. It's him punching the ball directly at our own players feet that leads to the scrambled clearance and gives them the opportunity to win the ball back. I don't understand how people can't see this, it is so basic.

What you are talking about is the butterfly effect,
In which case you could then say that the cause of the corner is the reason we conceded, which works by the same rationale.

Garnachos rash decision making led to the ball being lost.
From De Geas poor clearance to the goal there were four/five more errors, that isn't on De Geas poor clearance, that's on individuals.
1) Poor headed clearance
2) Garnacho giving the ball away
3) Garnacho giving the ball away a second time
4) Bruno not aware of his surroundings
5) Dalot not tracking the runner (basic defending)
6) Varane turning his head and not looking at the ball

I don't understand how people can't see this, it's so basic.

 

[Oranges038]

He's going for the ball because he knows he messed up with the punch a few seconds earlier. He nearly always loses his head following a mistake, it's often followed up with another error in fairness, but in this instance he positioned himself to go for a ball that he would never usually go for to rectify his initial mistake - which is fine if you communicate that. But obviously he doesn't think to tell anybody that because he's the quietest goalkeeper in the history of the game.

Aye. I'm so fed of looking at him not doing the basics. Can't for the life of me understand how people just ignore all the glaring holes in his game because of some saves. .

 

[Kostov]

He wouldn't play if everyone was available, but De Gea would. And this is the De Gea thread iv been critical of Fred in his thread aswell. But Fred was playing out of position in a cobbled together midified with a brand new partner. You might expect some issues. You wouldn't expect glaring issues with your No1 highly paid GK. But here we are.

Well even if we go and buy Mike Maignan or another brand new GK this summer for 70m euros, he might as well not catch a cross here and there. How was Fred playing out of position? Isn't he a midfielder? Always some kind of an excuse for the player we like is there? But DDG should have done this or that.

And how having a new CM partner for Fred is a handicap and not a handicap for the GK who had a team in disarray in front of him for example? The point being, some of you will go into the cherry picking a cross not being caught and 5-6 instances of absolute dog shit play, just to get back DDG and how all could be prevented.

A cross not being caught is some kind of glaring issue, but a 50m CM who can't perform to save his life is not a glaring issue for instance, and you have no problem to find an excuse for him. And it's not like Fred for example plays for free is he? DDG being paid 350k a week is probably one of the most deserved wages the club has paid in the last 10 years even if he does not deserve that kind of money for the performances of the last couple of years. You can comfort yourself by the likes Fred who probably earns 120k a week for running a lot.

 

[sullydnl]

Well even if we go and buy Mike Maignan or another brand new GK this summer for 70m euros, he might as well not catch a cross here and there.

He might not.

But De Gea stops crosses approx. 6 times less often than the best goalkeepers in that regard and just over 3 times less often than Maignan. That's a very big difference.

 

[Oranges038]

Well even if we go and buy Mike Maignan or another brand new GK this summer for 70m euros, he might as well not catch a cross here and there. How was Fred playing out of position? Isn't he a midfielder? Always some kind of an excuse for the player we like is there? But DDG should have done this or that.

And how having a new CM partner for Fred is a handicap and not a handicap for the GK who had a team in disarray in front of him for example? The point being, some of you will go into the cherry picking a cross not being caught and 5-6 instances of absolute dog shit play, just to get back DDG and how all could be prevented.

A cross not being caught is some kind of glaring issue, but a 50m CM who can't perform to save his life is not a glaring issue for instance, and you have no problem to find an excuse for him. And it's not like Fred for example plays for free is he? DDG being paid 350k a week is probably one of the most deserved wages the club has paid in the last 10 years even if he does not deserve that kind of money for the performances of the last couple of years. You can comfort yourself by the likes Fred who probably earns 120k a week for running a lot.

Do you not think that every team analyses goals conceded back to point of prevention?

In the build up to the corner, Leeds pretty much had all the ball from tip off until the corner. So you could analyse that period of play at places where players could have won the ball or done better. I've watched it and the biggest error leading up to that goal was DDGs pathetic attempt at dealing with a cross.

If a player gives a sloppy pass away in attack and that ball comes all the way back down for a goal.

Do you look at the 5 or 6 players in between as the problem?

Or do you blame the midfield for not supporting the attacker?

Or do you trace it back to the sloppy bit of play that gave the ball away while everyone was out of position to attack?

 

[Longshanks]

Well even if we go and buy Mike Maignan or another brand new GK this summer for 70m euros, he might as well not catch a cross here and there. How was Fred playing out of position? Isn't he a midfielder? Always some kind of an excuse for the player we like is there? But DDG should have done this or that.

And how having a new CM partner for Fred is a handicap and not a handicap for the GK who had a team in disarray in front of him for example? The point being, some of you will go into the cherry picking a cross not being caught and 5-6 instances of absolute dog shit play, just to get back DDG and how all could be prevented.

A cross not being caught is some kind of glaring issue, but a 50m CM who can't perform to save his life is not a glaring issue for instance, and you have no problem to find an excuse for him. And it's not like Fred for example plays for free is he? DDG being paid 350k a week is probably one of the most deserved wages the club has paid in the last 10 years even if he does not deserve that kind of money for the performances of the last couple of years. You can comfort yourself by the likes Fred who probably earns 120k a week for running a lot.

Who says I like Fred!? This is the De Gea thread I'm not sure what Fred has to do with it, and I'm equally not sure how fred can help De Gea deal with a fairly straight forward cross. Freds issue and flaws are spoken about plenty in Fred's own performance thread.

De Gea fails at numerous basic requirements for a GK much like Fred or mctominay fail at numerous different basic requirements for DM's. We spent 70m on a top DM in the summer and look at the difference he makes. Just imagine the difference a truly Top proactive ball playing GK could make.

 

[Mainoldo]

None of which happens if the goalkeeper catches the fecking ball in the previous passage of play. It's him punching the ball directly at our own players feet that leads to the scrambled clearance and gives them the opportunity to win the ball back. I don't understand how people can't see this, it is so basic.

He does have some glaring issues which I wish we just removed by replacing him.

Perfect example was 93-94 minutes we are attacking. The ball is 12 yards from the keepers goal. Mesiler risks it all to catch the ball and relieve pressure.

If it’s our keeper he’s preparing himself to make an outrageous shot stop if required.

 

[Kostov]

He might not.

But De Gea stops crosses approx. 6 times less often than the best goalkeepers in that regard and just over 3 times less often than Maignan. That's a very big difference.

Yes yes, we've all seen the stats. He is one of the worst GK in the league, and the likes of Ramsdale, Raya, Sanchez are all better never mind Maignan.

 

[Sylar]

Who is getting offended actually? Did I not ask a valid question? What happened to danger prevention as that is being talked on every page on here, proactive proactive proactive. Leeds had 5 corners yesterday to our 6. Why are we now not using the same logic to defend DDG, how were we proactive as a team yesterday? Why despite the GK being let down by his teammates yesterday, by not having any sort of control of the game, you find a way to criticize him instead? Is it some kind of agenda?

Because this is the ddg thread and we are analysing his performance.
Everything that happens after DDG messes up is a valid point and is discussed in their threads

Criticising ddg in the ddg thread about his said performance is not an agenda. This is why I'm saying people are getting offended.

Bringing another keeper into the discussion and making a hypothetical situation to try and downplay ddgs mistakes are weird.
And if we are mentioning danger prevention as @JB7 said, he as a goalkeeper can prevent all issues after if he doesn't carress the ball or whatever that punch attempt was from the corner.

Should they have had the corner? Well we started shit and other players being a mess are discussed in their thread.
As this is the ddg thread we will analyse what he could do better.
But as we know what he did happens too often and I don't see how that is seen as acceptable?

 

[Olecurls99]

Catching a cross.

That's modern goalkeeper stuff.

We don't want any of that around here.


The problem there is Varane doesn't trust DDG to be there, he doesn't get a shout from his keeper and doesn't know he's going for it. So he feels he has to try and deal with it.

A lot of assumptions there. Look there is about 6 or 7 of you with a serious hard on for him and you clog up the pages. I think most fans think he's doing well this season. Most pundits too.

 

[Oranges038]

A lot of assumptions there. Look there is about 6 or 7 of you with a serious hard on for him and you clog up the pages. I think most fans think he's doing well this season. Most pundits too.

Quite the opposite actually.

Most fans dont really look beyond anything other than the camera saves or youtube highlights. Most pundits are ex footballers who only watch enough highlights to talk for a few minutes between ads. All they see are the few saves and think, wow he's great, saving Utd every week.

I think a lot people stay out of his thread or only pipe up when he makes a couple of saves, because deep down they know he's not good enough anymore, they just don't want to admit it.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

I think the essential issue yesterday was not that De Gea was crap or that he was solely or even mostly to blame for either of their goals, but more that he was just a complete non-factor in the game.

An example here is the fact that on multiple occasions when Varane was pressured into a tight situation by Leeds attackers, Dave stayed on his line rather than making himself available for a pass. If this was a one time thing ai could forgive it but it's something he does all the time.

I don't think it's that unreasonable to suggest that the highest paid goalkeeper in world football should be able to positively influence matches in other ways than just reflex saves when there are plenty of other goalkeepers capable of just that.

To be clear, I'm actually in favour of keeping De Gea around next summer provided that it's on a vastly reduced wage and that we bring in a goalkeeper who at the very least offers a reasonable prospect of displacing him as the number one keeper. I do think that, if we bring in a keeper this summer, they're likely to need an adjustment period and you could certainly do a lot worse than Dave when it comes to helping us get through that period.

 

[Seij]

Raya is a very obvious and affordable summer option. We will probably also save about 250k/w on wages if we sign him and let ddg go. That's about 13M/y which is not very far off from Raya's one time transfer fee.

Knowing our board though ddg will get another 5 year renewal, maybe at 300k/w and articles will galore "ddg loves United so much that he took a salary cut!"

 

[charlenefan]

His decision making (as well as his kicking) has your head in your hands at times

 

[Idxomer]

Awful again apart from one good save.

 

[JeffFromHK]

He is the goalkeeper version of Mario Gomez. Bayern moved on Mario Gomez though he scored a lot since he was too one dimensional. If we want to be a top team , we need to move on DDG as well. We can never control games with his poor passing, poor claiming, hesitant sweeping, inability to make quick throws to start counters, etc.

 

[Andersonson]

Some great saves and a clean sheet. Cant complain

 

[Sylar]

We learnt nothing new, it's the same thing every game. Some accept it, some know we need to improve Upon it.

It is what it is, until the end of the season. Hopefully there are plans for next season

 

[Giant Midget]

I have no doubt he will not be our number 1 next season.

 

[sullydnl]

Some good saves while also contributing to our weaknesses in possession. So much, so De Gea.

 

[Get In Scholesy]

Great shot stopper, but he is genuinely stupid.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Well he made a couple of good saves so can’t complain much.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

We need to move on from him. Gave away the ball in terrible positions, some shocking passes.

 

[JeffFromHK]

We learnt nothing new, it's the same thing every game. Some accept it, some know we need to improve Upon it.

It is what it is, until the end of the season. Hopefully there are plans for next season

Dinosaur football fans who fail to understand that football does evolve accept it.

 

[Jev]

Had one very poor pass that gave them a chance, otherwise he was one of the main reasons we didn't concede today. Which mistakes are you seeing?

 

[Red-17]

Some good saves, but its the same story as always. We get bombarded on set pieces because he is never going to claim a ball played in the six yard box, and he was poor under pressure on the ball. nothing new, but we still need to upgrade.

 

[Malone_Post]

Well he made a couple of good saves so can’t complain much.

We can. His passing and distribution was absolutely horrific and a huge reason we couldn’t get any foothold in the game in the first half. Just constantly gives it away either giving it straight to the opposition or kicking it out of play. You just can’t build anything with that.

 

[berbatrick]

I think there was 1 bad pass? 1 good pass too, right at the start, to Weghorst.
Routine saves, from awkward angles. 1 punch.
Overall average.

I think Martinez showed that there was potential in passing quick and long. But comparing his passing with Shaw and Maguire, you need to be excellent on the ball to make an impact. I don't know if any keeper other than Ederson would have made a positive contribution with the ball today. So, other than that 1 terrible pass, I don't think he did anything wrong.

 

[sullydnl]

His 400th PL game today, incidentally.

 

[edgecutter]

Made some good saves, but other parts of his game is worrying. Passing and controlling that 6 yard box has been a major issue again today.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Think that was his 179th clean sheet for club, so now 1 behind Schmeichel. And first league CS since Bournemouth game on 3rd January.