In all honesty he saved us against Fulham in the cup and there would be no final without him. But having said that I just want a solid CB partnership and a GK who controls his 5 yards. I think that is doable for a lot of less money than 120 mil that is the total sum for Maguire and Lindelof
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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Well, he had seasons when he was at that level, but we did not have the same team to reach the heights from the VDS and Schmeichel days.
His distribution is always bad, especially against teams who press us. Yesterday we did not even try to build from the back, De Gea hoofed the ball many times in their own half, smart move if you ask me, otherwise we would of lost many balls in our own half.
Last 15 maybe, but only because city let us and sat deep looking to soak up pressure and counter. They had control at all times with and without the ball.
The simple fact is whenever city looked to press De Gea shit the bed and dumped a floaty ball towards Rashford and hoped for the best. It meant we had no control, struggled to play through there prees and our forwards were basically fed of scraps. In fairness even when city weren't necessarily pressing De Gea was dumping the ball forward for no apparent reason.
When we pressed city, Ortega invited the pressure and then played through it. City then get through our press and get the ball into De bruyne and Haaland with our defence going backwards and space to play in because they went through our press.
The fact he let in 1 arguably 2 soft goals when
he is meant to be some amazing shot stopper in a big game (not for the first time either), Without ever making an impressive save or any particular impressive action all game.
He was by far our worst performer yesterday.
Not sure if trying to defend or take a shot at De Gea.
de Gea would probably let that in as well.
It’s disappointing to see some of the nasty criticism De Gea gets. His style annoys some people and he gets called a coward. He makes some mistakes and people say his shot stopping is overrated. He makes some good saves and people say if he was a better keeper he wouldn’t have had to make those saves in the first place. Rough stuff, I think.
Forums do tend to polarise but, on this, I want to be in the middle somewhere.
He has some admirable qualities but he has to go.
Whatever his strengths, the main problem is the effect he has on the team when we are in possession.
When we pass back to him, there’s only one way it’s going - launched. That’s a problem in itself but, worse still, it doesn’t happen fast enough - he dithers. Our defence drops right back to give him passing options and they bring opponents with them. Before you know it, we are being pressed around the D and even inside the box. When he does launch it, the team isn’t in the best position to win it or pick up second balls. And yes we start in possession and end up having to try to win a high ball (at worse than 50-50 odds most times).
We could go into other aspects of his style / abilities but, to me, these are not the main problem. He’s not a terrible keeper but he is terrible with the ball at his feet and the effect of this is crippling.
Forums do tend to polarise but, on this, I want to be in the middle somewhere.
He has some admirable qualities but he has to go.
Whatever his strengths, the main problem is the effect he has on the team when we are in possession.
When we pass back to him, there’s only one way it’s going - launched. That’s a problem in itself but, worse still, it doesn’t happen fast enough - he dithers. Our defence drops right back to give him passing options and they bring opponents with them. Before you know it, we are being pressed around the D and even inside the box. When he does launch it, the team isn’t in the best position to win it or pick up second balls. And yes we start in possession and end up having to try to win a high ball (at worse than 50-50 odds most times).
We could go into other aspects of his style / abilities but, to me, these are not the main problem. He’s not a terrible keeper but he is terrible with the ball at his feet and the effect of this is crippling.
Pretty good summary of the situation. Agree he has to go and now. Another season of him will hold the teams progression back. Hes not the worst mind you of those that have to go.
It's interesting that even in his best season statistically, he managed to pull out one of his disastrous displays in an important game.
That compilation of goals conceded in high pressure games is absolutely brutal to watch, it’s probably even flown under the radar a bit. Never mind the fact he can’t play the modern GK role, has basically no sweeping abilities or physical ability to claim crosses and is rooted to his line 99% of the time. He can’t save a penalty for love nor money.
He’s the highest paid GK in the league for what is essentially a showreel shot stopper, no denying the fact he’s capable of pulling those off regularly but I would be amazed if the value of those is made up in the aggregate loss of all he can’t do.
He’s the highest paid GK in the league for what is essentially a showreel shot stopper, no denying the fact he’s capable of pulling those off regularly but I would be amazed if the value of those is made up in the aggregate loss of all he can’t do.
Whats the point of a keeper if he's not dependable when needed? If we want to progress as a club, we should expect to be in more high stakes games, and we cant do that with a keeper that crumbles under the pressure.
As the season went on, signing a new keeper really has gone up the priority list for me. He had same great years dave, but a change is needed.
As the season went on, signing a new keeper really has gone up the priority list for me. He had same great years dave, but a change is needed.
How many games have we had this season in which backup keeper of our opposition was easily few classes above de Gea all around(defending and possession wise)? I swear it must have been at least 4-5.
In relation to the goals, De Gea gambled twice and on both occasions he got it wrong.
Gündoğan first goal:
As Gündoğan strikes the ball, De Gea anticipates that the ball is going to go towards his right side, and he thus shifts his body weight to his right and is ready to dive to his right or collect it if it goes down the middle of the goal (gamble number 1). The ball instead goes to De Gea’s left and he is unable to dive or make any attempt to save it because he committed to his right side, and he is caught flat-footed, with the pace of the ball being too quick for De Gea to react to.
Gündoğan second goal:
As Gündoğan strikes the ball, De Gea jumps up and towards his left slightly because he anticipates the ball going to the left of him (gamble number 2). With the shot not having a lot of pace to it, by the time it bounces over Varane’s leg, De Gea is able to shift back to his right and make an attempt at saving it, but his initial shift to his left meant that he can’t get a full glove to it and it goes into the back of the net.
Discalimer:
I am not part of the goalkeepers union, so my question for any goalkeepers on here, is should De Gea be making these kinds of gambles (neglecting one side of the goal – either left or right) for shots from outside of the area?
Gündoğan first goal:
As Gündoğan strikes the ball, De Gea anticipates that the ball is going to go towards his right side, and he thus shifts his body weight to his right and is ready to dive to his right or collect it if it goes down the middle of the goal (gamble number 1). The ball instead goes to De Gea’s left and he is unable to dive or make any attempt to save it because he committed to his right side, and he is caught flat-footed, with the pace of the ball being too quick for De Gea to react to.
Gündoğan second goal:
As Gündoğan strikes the ball, De Gea jumps up and towards his left slightly because he anticipates the ball going to the left of him (gamble number 2). With the shot not having a lot of pace to it, by the time it bounces over Varane’s leg, De Gea is able to shift back to his right and make an attempt at saving it, but his initial shift to his left meant that he can’t get a full glove to it and it goes into the back of the net.
Discalimer:
I am not part of the goalkeepers union, so my question for any goalkeepers on here, is should De Gea be making these kinds of gambles (neglecting one side of the goal – either left or right) for shots from outside of the area?
Ddg has been a beneficiary of our time post fergie where we have changed managers so often meaning he gets a new life every time.
Ddg doesn't just make high profile mistakes that cost us, he makes mistakes like in games v Everton this season in the cup, which are largely forgotten due to the other high amount of mistakes like v Sevilla, Brentford, west ham which get more spotlight.
People tend not to even highlight the post pandemic game v spurs where he let in a shot (the one that lead to Keane saying he shouldn't be allowed on the bus), or the mistake in the 2-2 v arsenal at old Trafford, or him being charged down v Everton (think Bruno equalised)
He makes so many mistakes that ones that see us get an equaliser don't get talked about because he still has mistakes that do cost us and are discussion worthy. More so than the likes of Howard, Carroll, barthez, taibi, bosnich, which saw them binned.
There is some sentimentality towards him because of how long hes been with us more than anything
Ddg doesn't just make high profile mistakes that cost us, he makes mistakes like in games v Everton this season in the cup, which are largely forgotten due to the other high amount of mistakes like v Sevilla, Brentford, west ham which get more spotlight.
People tend not to even highlight the post pandemic game v spurs where he let in a shot (the one that lead to Keane saying he shouldn't be allowed on the bus), or the mistake in the 2-2 v arsenal at old Trafford, or him being charged down v Everton (think Bruno equalised)
He makes so many mistakes that ones that see us get an equaliser don't get talked about because he still has mistakes that do cost us and are discussion worthy. More so than the likes of Howard, Carroll, barthez, taibi, bosnich, which saw them binned.
There is some sentimentality towards him because of how long hes been with us more than anything
A good proportion of these keepers and keepers in general what not stand up any better under the scrutiny De Gea gets. He’s not good enough for us, I agree, but that’s as much as it’s possible or necessary to say. Stick these other keepers in a Utd shirt, put them in cup finals or high profile games and a lot of them will fall apart, the rest will certainly make mistakes that everyone will see.
There was one cross city put in that was right in front of him and he stayed rooted to his line. I remember that annoying me as well.
For both goals, he's adjusting his position and is off the ground as the ball is struck. By the time he lands, he doesn't have time to react. For me that's just poor goalkeeping, because he's not set and ready to react, no idea why he does that jump like that. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
It has to be those people that are still defending him at this stage.
He didn't gamble on either of them.
He picks up Gundogans first shot skips across to his left to make the save then just stops, he either loses it in the sun or he thinks it's going over or a combination of both. I.E. he loses it in the sun thinks it's going to go over and by the time he spots it again it's to late. In hindsight he should of gambled and covered his goal anyway but he didn't.
Second one is poor positioning he should be at least mid goal, maybe even a little step to his right but for some reason he is a big step to his left for a shot that comes in from the right hand side of the area. It's an amatuer mistake from a very experienced and highly paid goalkeeper that frankly at this level is unacceptable.
It’s just pure disrespect to VDS and Schmeichel to put him in the same discussion.
VDS never made a mistake. He didn’t have a spectacular save him in, but he was a robot that commanded his box and organized his defence in front of him.
The only two I can recall from 2006 to 2011 seasons was dropping that shot against WBA for the 2-2 draw and against Roma when parried the shot straight out for a rebound goal.
If you make a list of De Gea’s clangere since 2018, it’s Taibi levels of incompetence.
Clean sheets is a team effort. Everyone needs to work hard for it to happen.
He does this weird thing where he drops to a knee as well
Course VDS made mistakes. He wasn't great in any of the champions league finals. Particularly the Barca games.
But De Gea's problems are now so huge that everybody knows it. Other managers know. Teams are specifically targeting him now.
Which is ridiculous for a club of United's stature. We should never have a player that is such a weak link everybody knows it.
It's all so unnecessary. Just sign a top keeper and have it done with.
Should have saved the second one and I’m annoyed at how he just watched the first sail in. At least make an effort to not concede in the first minute of the FA cup final against this winning machine, eh Dave?
Elite shotstopper my eye. Than all the horrendous kicking and apprehension in our penalty box as always. We’re paying a fortune to a man who can’t do the basics. Please don’t renew him, even on reduced wages.
Elite shotstopper my eye. Than all the horrendous kicking and apprehension in our penalty box as always. We’re paying a fortune to a man who can’t do the basics. Please don’t renew him, even on reduced wages.
The striker situation is dire but in my opinion a goalkeeper is the priority. We can’t go on giving away possession time and time again it’s goes completely against everything we’re trying to do. 44% pass rate yesterday..giving City the ball 14 times.
We’d perhaps get away with it if De Gea was at least competent with his feet but he can barely put a 10 yard pass to feet he must be one of the worst keepers at passing in the league.
Thanks David you’ve been a brilliant servant but we need to move on.
We’d perhaps get away with it if De Gea was at least competent with his feet but he can barely put a 10 yard pass to feet he must be one of the worst keepers at passing in the league.
Thanks David you’ve been a brilliant servant but we need to move on.
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The truth is usually in the middle, people just like to have extreme views either way.
Been a great servant for us, been deservedly player of the year several times but football evolves and to compete at the very top we need a modern goalkeeper.
Top scoring is also team effort, no?
Yes, glad you realise this. Praising de gea for clean sheets and forgetting the brilliance of Casemiro, martinez, shaw, varane...is just unfair.
Realising that our goalkeeper is a major hindrance to how we play and getting a Kings ranson each week for being possibly the worst goalkeeper statically in the elite leagues in Europe should be very concerning. He needs binned and the sentimentality that some folks have here will mean we will never move on. Time to go dave.
he's turned into the GK version of Harry Maugure
I'm sure that it's part of the natural movement of the dive, to bounce and get ready to jump. But it's the timing of the little jump before he sets himself to dive that just seemed off. That's why he was too late to react. Maybe that's being hyper critical, but at the very top small margins of fractions of a second make a huge difference.
1.57 - just as the ball is stuck he's off the ground and still adjusting his position, not ready to dive, can't react by the time he's set again.
2.15 - he does the little bounce again just as Rodri gets the header, ends up rooted to the spot.
6.08 you can see the little bounce again just as Gundogan strikes the ball once again he's too late to react by the time he's hit the ground and set again.
What I meant was if praising golden glove holder is unfair then same goes for golden boot holder because they have been helped by the wingers, the number 10s and others.
I agree that DDG needs to leave though. He is a big hindrance to how we play. Not basing this comment on yesterday's performance but goalkeeping has evolved, unlike DDGs game.
Will breathe a big sigh of relief when he's finally fecked off.
It's like if we'd have kept Barthez as our number 1 keeper up until about 2007.
It's madness he's been allowed to stay as number 1 all these years when he's been so poor. This all started at the 2018 World Cup.
It's been 5 years of this. He should have been sold ages ago.
It's madness he's been allowed to stay as number 1 all these years when he's been so poor. This all started at the 2018 World Cup.
It's been 5 years of this. He should have been sold ages ago.
The only reason De Gea has a chance of being at the club next season is because there is so much flux. At a stable club he’d be clearing his locker on Monday morning.
Have to be ruthless. Always hard to get rid of someone who has served the club well but it’s blindingly obvious he needs replaced. Second highest priority after a centre forward.
Have to be ruthless. Always hard to get rid of someone who has served the club well but it’s blindingly obvious he needs replaced. Second highest priority after a centre forward.
De Gea is a weird one for me as I think he has been good or very good during most of the season however it's become more and more evident to me as the season progresses that he doesn't have the skill set required to play the way Ten Hag wants.
Generally as a shot stopper he is still one of the best around but obviously has made a few mistakes from time to time. The issue is he isn't dominant enough in the box and is very limited in terms of distribution.
In my opinion I would try and upgrade him this summer but there are definitely some risks in doing so. I remember the years between Schmeichel leaving and VDS joining and we had a string of sub par keepers who were either not good enough or didn't have the mentality to play for a club as big as United.
If we do sign a new first choice keeper in the summer there is definitely a big risk involved which is why if we found a way to keep DDG for one year during a transition that could be an ideal scenario as unlikely as it may be.
Generally as a shot stopper he is still one of the best around but obviously has made a few mistakes from time to time. The issue is he isn't dominant enough in the box and is very limited in terms of distribution.
In my opinion I would try and upgrade him this summer but there are definitely some risks in doing so. I remember the years between Schmeichel leaving and VDS joining and we had a string of sub par keepers who were either not good enough or didn't have the mentality to play for a club as big as United.
If we do sign a new first choice keeper in the summer there is definitely a big risk involved which is why if we found a way to keep DDG for one year during a transition that could be an ideal scenario as unlikely as it may be.
De Gea has been at this level for five years now. Maguire only for two. So Maguire actually turned into the defender version of De Gea if anything.
I think the problem is that DDG relies purely on his quick reactions for his best saves - he doesn’t do enough anticipation, so whenever he has to deal with a shot where reactions alone aren’t going to cut it, he’s left rooted to the spot.
This tendency can be seen when DDG faces penalties, where keepers usually *have* to do some anticipation. He’s just so bad at anticipating where he needs to be, how he needs to set himself, etc.
He’s a GK who has got to elite level purely on his instinctive lightning reactions and athleticism, but his actual understanding of the game is woeful for someone at that level. This is not only seen with his lack of anticipation, but his cluelessness with the ball at his feet and his inability to organise his defence. He’s just reactive - not proactive at all.
He's such a poor fit for the way Ten Hag wants to play, that I don't see why we can't take a gamble on a talented young keeper, someone who possesses the core attributes we're looking for but requires developing to improve. We might be worse off when it comes to pulling off super saves, but as a team surely we'd be better off? Who would Dortmund or Brighton buy for peanuts if they were after a new keeper? Go for them
He wasnt at fault for the first one. It just sat nice for Gundogan and I honestly dont blame anyone for that one. This things happen in football kind of like Carricks first against Roma in 07.
The second is definetly his fault
The second is definetly his fault
The thing is that even at his best I don’t think he was good enough for you. As good as he actually was for a time at shot stopping, basically every other area of goalkeeping was always below average. And the most shocking thing is that he appears to have not improved on anything for about the last ten years.
I have absolutely no idea how the guy actually got coached and what was done there. It’s not just that the fans should ask themselves questions about him. I think there’s also the question to be asked what in the hell the coaches were doing with him all those years. Because I can’t see it.
I have absolutely no idea how the guy actually got coached and what was done there. It’s not just that the fans should ask themselves questions about him. I think there’s also the question to be asked what in the hell the coaches were doing with him all those years. Because I can’t see it.
Genuinely think with a better goalkeeper we might have won the EL and the FA Cup, and probably had a more comfortable run at top 4. He's a big liability and I'm astonished that some can't see it.
Apart from his mistakes, his passing is poor, he isn't good in the air, and he doesn't command his box.
We need to move on from him. This should be a priority in the summer.
Apart from his mistakes, his passing is poor, he isn't good in the air, and he doesn't command his box.
We need to move on from him. This should be a priority in the summer.
More rubbish. Crumbles in the biggest games apart from when he saves a penalty in the last game of the season to secure CL footy and 3rd place.
You couldn't have chosen a game with less pressure, CL was already secured and 3rd whilst nice was not that big of a deal. It was also against a Fulham team with nothing to play for at home in a party atmosphere as Champions league was secured the game before.
How about the tough West ham game away just days after dropping 3 points to Brighton opening the door for Liverpool pressure, or the Seville away game or the FA cup final. These are three real big games all recently where he's been miserable, not basically a free hit on the final day of the season.
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