A new contract, whatever the terms, would be a mistake at this point
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Just like it would have been with pogba who thankfully was greedy which trumped the United ineptitude of offering him one
It was tolerable to keep him as long his shot stopping was still good however now that he's been collecting howlers, time to put him out of his misery
We've been saying it for months mate. He kicks the ball long, doesn't clear his own half, the oppo win the ball and break while we're all up the pitch, he then makes a good save from close range from the situation he just created and everyone says "where would we be without him!?". Not in fecking constant trouble for one
Just imagine Pogba on a new contract with his off the field issues and fitness problems.
I hope someone like Sevilla gazump us at this point and offer him first team football and £150k a week
Can't remember if it was this forum but I said we made a huge mistake last time round with the contract offer and the wages.
It was compounded when even Jose who was no longer out manager said it was a stupid move to Pay that.
This was something like 2018 after either a horrid season or world cup or run of form. Five years later and he's gotten worse in every aspect (tbf he's always been weak in a few things)
I honestly struggle to see any team in the world offering him anything like that unfortunately. Even boehly wouldn't
I'll let you celebrate tonight, maybe tomorrow
I'm only joking mate, I knew he had it in him so I had an unfair advantageSevillad has unfortunately for us, a much better keeper.
According to xG, Gundogan's shots had respectively 2% and 5% chance of finding the back of the net. #world-class shot-stopper
It was at the end of the 18/19 season. He'd spent the previous 12 months having a terrible World Cup then was average for most of the season before absolutely shitting the bed in the final two months where he was the main reason we missed out on the top four. We then proceeded to make him the highest paid goalkeeper in the history of the sport (by a long way).
Please let him go can't watch this anymore, he is shocking these days
That's not what the xG suggests.
To be fair to him, the first shot was great. We failed to win two headers and let the ball bounce before the strike, but he could have at least made an attempt to save it. The second one is all him, he saves it and it still ends up in the back of the net.
Baffling decision like the Rooney contract when Moyes took over.It was at the end of the 18/19 season. He'd spent the previous 12 months having a terrible World Cup then was average for most of the season before absolutely shitting the bed in the final two months where he was the main reason we missed out on the top four. We then proceeded to make him the highest paid goalkeeper in the history of the sport (by a long way).
Ehh that should tell you more about the shortcomings of xG as a stat than anything else.
Could have saved the first, should have saved the second. Continually played the ball to City and invited pressure.
A bright spot was not playing one of his hospital passes to the edge of our own box.
A bright spot was not playing one of his hospital passes to the edge of our own box.
It's still a shot outside the box. It didn't graze the bar, it didn't touch the post either. The arch of the ball indicates that it wasn't particularly powerful, too. It was a good effort, that much is granted. Nevertheless, it doesn't justify being rooted to the ground.
No, it was savable. If you make an effort that is. If you keep watching it and wishing it to go out, not much will happen.
It was from the xg Philosophy tweets.
I'm not sure he could have saved the first but not reacting is a sure way to make it a certain goal
The op is saying you don’t understand xG since its not telling you how hard/easy it is for the keeper to save
I'm surprised a lot of people think the first shot was difficult to save. De Gea is the one who made it look difficult by not moving at all. It is something he has done repeatedly over the years for those surprising shots.
I think DDG has a stinker - mainly due to his distribution but he could also have done better with both goals, especially the second.
*BUT* - this use of xG in relation to individual shots is just nonsense. I’m an xG sceptic in general, as I don’t think it’s the objective measure some people think it is, but if it does have a purpose it’s when it’s applied in relation to a far longer period than a couple of seconds of play in one game.
*BUT* - this use of xG in relation to individual shots is just nonsense. I’m an xG sceptic in general, as I don’t think it’s the objective measure some people think it is, but if it does have a purpose it’s when it’s applied in relation to a far longer period than a couple of seconds of play in one game.
I know.
But that doesn't tell you how often Gundogan's shots would have resulted in a goal. It just tells you how often the average shot from those positions would have resulted in a goal. Whether they're tame saveable shots or unstoppable screamers, the xG value doesn't change. So you can't use xG to reflect on whether De Gea should have stopped it or not. There are different stats for that.
Strange to hate on him for the first goal but he was diabolical for the second. Even if you're unsighted, to get down that slowly is unacceptable.
The difference between De Gea and Ortega on the ball today was massive. So much easier to control games when you have a capable GK to build up from.
I understand how xG works. And i already mentioned that it was a great effort by Gundogan. We are discussing how difficult it was in this thread. Was it entirely his fault? No, but saying that a shot outside the box, not too powerful, nice placement/but within reach for a keeper, is impossible to save is stretching it. I would say that, for some strange reason, it happened a lot during the game. He looked too afraid to move from his spot.
He made it look more world-class than it actually was. And i agree, he saved far more difficult shots throughout his career here.
You referenced 2% xG which bears zero relevance is the point.
Anyone who still wants DDG at the club next season needs to give their head a wobble. I was done with him when he cost us top 4 end of the season a few years back. The guy is mentally weak and melts whenever the going gets tough
It has relevance. Some of these shots that don't go in are saved by keepers. And for someone who's a great shot-stopper, you'd expect to at least make an effort to save it. There was a similar discussion when the scousers scored 7/7 at Anfield. De Gea wasn't the only culprit for any of them, but, damn, fecking save one. That's what you're there for.
Look how composed ortega was on the ball (not even first choice) and compare to ddg.
We surrendered possession almost every time ddg kicked it long - and he kept on doing it!!
Utterly brainless.
We absolutely MUST get a new keeper in for next year. Will completely change the way we play from the back and at least give us a chance of control the game.
that isn’t even considering the pretty feeble effort from that pea-roller for their 2nd goal.
We surrendered possession almost every time ddg kicked it long - and he kept on doing it!!
Utterly brainless.
We absolutely MUST get a new keeper in for next year. Will completely change the way we play from the back and at least give us a chance of control the game.
that isn’t even considering the pretty feeble effort from that pea-roller for their 2nd goal.
A shot of 2% xG can be unstoppable. Which means the xG percentage bears zero relevance to if its saveable or not.
That does not mean that he shouldn’t have saved it. Just that your reference to xG in the post was missplaced
I honestly think we win the Europa league if he wasn’t our keeper
The club is too sentimental and never wants to make strong calls. Just cause a player has been part of the furniture for so long doesn’t mean they have to be rewarded with a huge contract, it’s so crazy. When Pep went to City they didn’t immediately go and give Joe Hart a five year contract and double his salary just because he’d played 200 games for them. He didn’t fit the vision and was moved on. We seem to reward players with new contracts just for turning up at Carrington five days a week.
It can be unstoppable, but this one wasn't. Hence, my post. Feel free to disagree. I should have mentioned it in my initial post instead of adding it to my reply to another poster.
I've been apathetic/indifferent to United for most of the season, due to a number of factors. I haven't bothered watching many game, either due to other (family) priorities or just plain lack of desire. Usually I'd try to remain uncritical of our players but I think there's a point in which you need to be honest with your thoughts.
Today the occasion got to me. I hate that we were clear underdogs, but so be it. I thought if we played well with some vigour we'd press them well and possibly catch them on the counter. That didn't happen. After the game it got me thinking how we treat players as investments, and that we invest in them and expect a return. DDG has been a phenomenal cause of stability for us since SAF left, but that's where my compliments end. When Real came calling we fought our hardest to keep him, and hindsight now tells us that was a mistake
His positioning has always been questionable, and sure he's kept us in some games but we'd be a better team with more organised defensive system (which is a work in progress), rather than relying on his "shot stopping" (which a good portion of the time is because he's in a weird position. He wasn't at fault for the first goal today, but could have been far better prepared, by being in a better position (standing tall blocking the angles rather than bent ready to dive).
However the second goal was definitely saveable, and while I don't blame him it's clear that his attention span isn't what it was. It's cost us enough already
His distribution has always been poor and that's just not something we should put up with. He's had years to work on it and it's not much better than when he first arrived.
I'll always see DDG as a great united player but I think it's time we parted ways.
Today the occasion got to me. I hate that we were clear underdogs, but so be it. I thought if we played well with some vigour we'd press them well and possibly catch them on the counter. That didn't happen. After the game it got me thinking how we treat players as investments, and that we invest in them and expect a return. DDG has been a phenomenal cause of stability for us since SAF left, but that's where my compliments end. When Real came calling we fought our hardest to keep him, and hindsight now tells us that was a mistake
His positioning has always been questionable, and sure he's kept us in some games but we'd be a better team with more organised defensive system (which is a work in progress), rather than relying on his "shot stopping" (which a good portion of the time is because he's in a weird position. He wasn't at fault for the first goal today, but could have been far better prepared, by being in a better position (standing tall blocking the angles rather than bent ready to dive).
However the second goal was definitely saveable, and while I don't blame him it's clear that his attention span isn't what it was. It's cost us enough already
His distribution has always been poor and that's just not something we should put up with. He's had years to work on it and it's not much better than when he first arrived.
I'll always see DDG as a great united player but I think it's time we parted ways.
He isn't very good at anything. Would be completely idiotic to keep him. What is amazing is how many of our fans seem happy to go along with the logic that we should keep him for now. It would be so cheap to upgrade the keeper compared to other positions it is unexcusable not do so
Tough to say anything about the first goal. Mind you, I would have at least liked to see an effort. The second goal was De Gea in a nutshell. I have never seen a keeper at this level who has such horrible positioning. The ball is crossed and De Gea doesn't shift at all. He is stood in the middle of the goal and isn't even trying to see what's happening. He should be shifting to his right as the ball comes acrosss and then he makes the save easily. hell, I would have saved that. Then there were several times in the game where he was just planted to his line. One ball came through just about to the touchline about 2 yards outside his 6 and he stood there and allowed Foden to get a cross in. I'm not even going to get into the ball at his feet. He rarely looked for a pass and just hoofed it up the field almost every time he got it. He was brutal
Has to be the nail in the coffin for his United career
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