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"Managers don't prioritise goalkeepers when implementing their tactics", "Kane/Osimehn alone is worth 25 points in the PL", "McFred offer energy in the midfield, therefore they're useful", "wingers' only job is to provide end product"... Football from the stone age. And it seems the people who run the club share some of these ideas. The first cull has to occur in the boardroom.
If he is happy being the number two I have zero problems keeping him around.
Why do Manchester United and some Manchester United fans believe the only signings that can be made have to be north of £60m?
Rather than using crude save percentages, that is exactly what the best xG and xGoT based models do when analysing goalkeeping performance.
This has really thrown me to be honest. After this season I really felt like we were getting our personnel decisions back on track. Benching Maguire, ditching Ronaldo, and mostly hitting the mark with our purchases. I thought we were getting back to the days of the highest standards, back to where our aim was to have every player on the pitch be among the best in their position. Guess not.
Bad enough if we were just having him in for our first team, but this "no guarantee of first team" thing is absolutlely bizarre. It sounds like we're not even sure if he's good enough or not, which is hardly the kind of decisive decision making I want to see from the club.
Not to mention the fact that it muddies the water for any other keeper coming in. If you're a talented young keeper given the option of two clubs, one wants to put you in the first team, the other isn't making any such guarantees and has a club record making keeper with 500+ appearances sat on the bench to take over after your first mistake, which are you going for?
And what if we end up getting a new keeper who becomes the first team GK? Are we going to have DDG as backup? Backup keepers are ten a penny, they're among the lowest paid players at the club, because they only play 5 games a season at most. So we're going to have a keeper on our bench who is being paid first team wages? We know there's litte interest in him now, even on a free transfer. So who's paying a transfer fee to get DDG off our bench in the future? This reeks of a future deadwood player on a long term, highly paid contract.
Just poor decision making all round from the club.
Bad enough if we were just having him in for our first team, but this "no guarantee of first team" thing is absolutlely bizarre. It sounds like we're not even sure if he's good enough or not, which is hardly the kind of decisive decision making I want to see from the club.
Not to mention the fact that it muddies the water for any other keeper coming in. If you're a talented young keeper given the option of two clubs, one wants to put you in the first team, the other isn't making any such guarantees and has a club record making keeper with 500+ appearances sat on the bench to take over after your first mistake, which are you going for?
And what if we end up getting a new keeper who becomes the first team GK? Are we going to have DDG as backup? Backup keepers are ten a penny, they're among the lowest paid players at the club, because they only play 5 games a season at most. So we're going to have a keeper on our bench who is being paid first team wages? We know there's litte interest in him now, even on a free transfer. So who's paying a transfer fee to get DDG off our bench in the future? This reeks of a future deadwood player on a long term, highly paid contract.
Just poor decision making all round from the club.
My issue with keeping him around is the added pressure it puts on the new no1, you know after one mistake or one bad game people will be clamouring to get our hugely experienced record breaking 'world class shot stopper' back in, the pressure will come from the media aswell where he clearly has a few friends.
It's hard enough being our No1 as it is we really don't need to put anymore pressure on a new no1 and give them a fair crack at it.
De Gea hanging around will undoubtly cast a huge shadow over any new keeper, and you know De Gea won't be happy being no2 backup he will be pushing to get back to No1 and probably being a cry baby about it as we have seen before.
Nah, Jones was cheaper and doesn't actively lose games for us.
This is nonsense. I'm typically very positive on here and hate the toxic negativity that pollutes and stifles debate, but De Gea isn't up to it and he certainly isn't passing any sort of eye test.
Good thing ETH isnt naming lineups based on what the media says.
Every number 1 needs competition. Also what is DDG not being happy number 2 about or being a cry baby. When was he a crybaby exactly?
When Madrid wanted him he never complained, made a fuss or asked for a move.
I want our new number one to thrive on that pressure. If that is enough to push him of his game he is the wrong signing anyway.
Its the state of the market. What players below 60 mill can we get that can bring up the quality of the team?
When he was dropped for Dean Henderson he went complaining to Ole who didn't have the balls to keep him on the bench
He did?
Dont remember that. Was that some kind of paper talk or?
Dean was going to be number 1 but got covid and was out for 2/3 months.
Between 2021/2022 we could have signed Enzo fernandez and Caciedo for less than 20m for both. Question is if the "cheap unknown players" would be given a chance to play and properly bed in.
I remember there was massive debate about whether we should have offered him a new contract last time due to his weakness. And once again we are having the same debate 5 years later whil.also still having out a ludicrous contract to a player that doesn't justify remaining here. What kind of message are we sending the squad? You can be shit and still remain here. No wonder we have never come close to challenging for a title.
Back up keeper on over £100k a week? No thanks
If he’s out on contract in the summer, I’d love to hear about the offers he currently has on the table from new clubs.
Spot on.
Really good post and im in agreement. GK sees the whole pitch too so has the advantage of never having to play on the turn. They have vision of the whole play and can help dictate and start attacks and control how high you press. One that hardly leaves his box or one that always starts deep, has an affect on the defence and in turn affects the spaces between defence to midfield and midfield to attack.
The funny thing is the 'defenders' are spinning and dismissing anybody who criticises DDG, but cant actually bring anything to the table in terms of why he should be kept. Its baseless statements about how his shot stopping is great, or his mentality (which through his United career has been proven to be weak).
Unfortunately if we have him (even if its to transition him out), it doesnt make sense having him as a mentor to a younger keeper, because hes not exactly vocal, nor strong nor a leader. Hes the last person id want mentoring a younger keeper.
And if we do get another keeper, on the odd chance that keeper gets injured, having DDG go in doesnt fill me with confidence as it will cause the same issues weve seen.
the only reason he may stay is we clearly have issues elsewhere in the team. but really, he needs to go.
All of what you say seems spot on.
Schmeichel's idea was to keep the opponent as far away from the goal as possible. To do this, you have to push your defence higher and dominate the space in behind. Which he did brilliantly, but he also dominated on high balls and closing down 1v1s.
Once you start dropping deeper, the opposition can build more pressure, the ability to turn defence into attack becomes much harder, because instead of making up 40/50 yards to the opposition box/goal, you are now trying to make up 70/80 yards. As you say, these few seconds make a huge difference.
Signing a striker might get 10/15 more goals a season, but it'll still be a struggle to defend higher and defend set pieces etc. Will still be a struggle to control games and get out past a high press.
I was really hoping we'd have learned to be more ruthless with new management, clearly not.
Compare Joe Hart's treatment to De Gea. Both club legends, both at the peak of their careers - one was told he wasn't good enough and advised to find a new club, the other is rewarded with a new contract which would continue to make him amongst the best paid, if not the best paid keeper in the world.
Compare Joe Hart's treatment to De Gea. Both club legends, both at the peak of their careers - one was told he wasn't good enough and advised to find a new club, the other is rewarded with a new contract which would continue to make him amongst the best paid, if not the best paid keeper in the world.
De Gea's abilities at premier league standard:
shotstopping - average according to save % and xG stats (average PL goalkeepers have excellent reflex saves here and there)
sweeping - below average
claiming - one of the worst
passing out - one of the worst
organizing defence - one of the worst
penalties saving - one of the worst
throwing - slow and hesitant
bravery - little to none, love collapsing at critical moments
consistency - one of the most error prone goalkeepers
baffled how a part of our fanbase still want to keep him. We will be better off replacing DDG with half of starting goalkeepers in PL.
shotstopping - average according to save % and xG stats (average PL goalkeepers have excellent reflex saves here and there)
sweeping - below average
claiming - one of the worst
passing out - one of the worst
organizing defence - one of the worst
penalties saving - one of the worst
throwing - slow and hesitant
bravery - little to none, love collapsing at critical moments
consistency - one of the most error prone goalkeepers
baffled how a part of our fanbase still want to keep him. We will be better off replacing DDG with half of starting goalkeepers in PL.
Again, your example is based on defenders. You are comparing apples and oranges here. You also assume that every player will accept a smaller contract than their backup like Licha did. That's a wild assumption especially if you consider the fact that Maguire is the captain, the contract was done 3 years ago, and it was unclear if Maguire would be backup or not. There is a reason why Sanchez created problems in our wage structure: suddenly players wanted at least parity.
I’m convinced that there are at least 10 GKs that would fare a lot better for us next year than DDG.
Willing to bet if we sign a GK this summer they will on less money. Because they cannot demand more than what the market would give them (what they could get elsewhere from a competitor)
I like to think I'm a balanced poster who posts most often when I'm going against the crowd (I won't bother commenting the same as everyone else is saying). That most often means I'll be defending players that are getting criticism that I consider over the top (or managers or staff members), but I will also be criticising players who I feel are getting a lot more positive comments than they deserve (the former happens more often). There are plenty of players that I end up doing both for - defending them from some over-the-top posters while criticising them from others who are going too far the other way.
De Gea and McTominay are the only two current players off the top of my head that I strongly criticise. Two players who (up until recently at least) seemed to be significantly over-rated and get a lot of positivity, despite both being incredibly limited players who don't even do most of the basics of their position and who make things more difficult on the players around them. With any decent scouting both could be easily and cheaply replaced by players who are just solid at the basics and we'd end up stronger. For exactly the same reason I have no interest in signing Sabitzer or Wout permanently, both of whom have shown nothing to warrant being here past this season and can be very easily improved on (although there's a small chance Sabitzer might improve with more game time).
It's on
Let's hope I lose anyway.
I respect that. I'm certainly guilty over over defending some players though but I am also quite happy to criticise them in a more nuanced discussion.
If we only have 100M plus sales to spend, then I guess if the deal is only for say 2 years with a team option for a 3rd then I guess I can see it. Add a cheap keeper to compete with him, spend the rest of the money on a #9 and a deeper lying midfielder and we don't have any huge holes, just replacements maybe (Maguire, McTominay and a RB being replaced maybe)
But I am surprised we aren't just signing a clear #1 and getting a cheap backup who can pass but isn't quite good enough otherwise. I really thought Ten Hag was going to double down on technically strong defenders and keepers even at the expense of other skills, like he did with Malacia.
Pointless and unnecessary. Especially tagging ddg
United basically hired a goalkeeper scout:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/man-united-news-goalkeepers-latest-25393923
Bart Verbruggen has been identified as a target:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ster-united-transfer-bart-verbruggen-26881975
I think both are linked, it is good to see.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/man-united-news-goalkeepers-latest-25393923
Bart Verbruggen has been identified as a target:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ster-united-transfer-bart-verbruggen-26881975
I think both are linked, it is good to see.
Every gk makes mistakes, and bobble balls like that are a menace. I‘m not going to lose my cookies over a mistake like that. It is far worse that he showed no physical presence in the box: almost cost us a second goal.
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