We lost by a goal that any keeper from the national league up would have saved. He is the very definition on why we lost that game.
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Yes let's hope so
My worry is he seems to like Martial a lot. I hope he doesn't do the "I'll have him 1st choice and hopefully he's fit" routine that previous managers had. We need to keep him as a backup if any.
Yeah it shouldve been 0-0..
No he wasn’t. He’d been great from pretty much when he arrived up to the end of 2018; six years if you don’t count his first year acclimatising to the league. But that disastrous World Cup in 2018 seriously dented his confidence and he was pretty awful the entire season following.
It was at the end of that awful season that in true Woodward style we gave him the huge pay rise
The reports that the club wants to move him on and it’s only ETH that wants to keep him have a number of possible explanations. How about:
- The press are talking out of their collective arse.
- It’s true and ETH genuinely rates him, or at least regards getting rid of others first as more important.
- The club and ETH are actually in agreement, but Arnold/Murtough have stepped forward to take the flak. Dave has plenty of ardent fanboys and ETH won’t be popular if he’s shipped out.
The De Gea issue is a very simple one to solve, just let him leave in June when his contract is up.
In a Champions league season his wages are £375K a week or 19.5 million a year or 97.5 million if over a 5 year contract.
Under Financial Fair play we could use £100 million a lot better, by just letting his contract expire in June.
Ten Hag tried to loan Henderson 18 months ago at Ajax so i asume he rates him for his Style of play - (Funnily, if United had allowed Henderson this Ajax loan last January Ten Hag would have already spent 6 months with him before he came here).
Has he burnt his bridges? Martial forced a move to Sevilla in the same January Henderson was blocked and so Henderson later forced his move to Forest. Martial is back and currently Ten Hags first choice despite behaving the same as Henderson.
So we play Henderson and on Degea save £100 million over 5 years under the FFP Amortization rules.
Or sell Henderson £25 million? and save £25 million on his wages over 5 years and get another keeper.
Thats 150 million over 5 years which is £250K per week (£65 million) with £85 million Fee - like Anthonys contract.
Under FFP, letting Degea leave is the only sensible decision to make whether you love him or not.
In a Champions league season his wages are £375K a week or 19.5 million a year or 97.5 million if over a 5 year contract.
Under Financial Fair play we could use £100 million a lot better, by just letting his contract expire in June.
Ten Hag tried to loan Henderson 18 months ago at Ajax so i asume he rates him for his Style of play - (Funnily, if United had allowed Henderson this Ajax loan last January Ten Hag would have already spent 6 months with him before he came here).
Has he burnt his bridges? Martial forced a move to Sevilla in the same January Henderson was blocked and so Henderson later forced his move to Forest. Martial is back and currently Ten Hags first choice despite behaving the same as Henderson.
So we play Henderson and on Degea save £100 million over 5 years under the FFP Amortization rules.
Or sell Henderson £25 million? and save £25 million on his wages over 5 years and get another keeper.
Thats 150 million over 5 years which is £250K per week (£65 million) with £85 million Fee - like Anthonys contract.
Under FFP, letting Degea leave is the only sensible decision to make whether you love him or not.
It's fairly simple really - if he wants to stay at the wages he's on now, he'll have no interest. If that drops considerably + no transfer fee to pay, then he'll have lots of offers.
I'm afraid he has got to a point where I am not seeing any real upside in keeping him.
No he won't. Even if he halves his wages he will get no offers. If he cuts it to a quarter he wil get some but highly doubt it'd be a CL club. The guy is absolutely finished. How we have persisted with him this long is criminal.
If he doesn't make that "schoolboy error", we don't concede. Remind me again how you lose without conceding?
How do you win without scoring?
I get this point but I do think he is the reason we lost. West Ham offered nothing, the crowd were flat and de Gea basically gave them a massive boost. Yes we're wank at scoring but I think it's at least a draw without that.
What's that got to do with the price of fish? He said that De Gea wasn't the reason we lost, not that he was the reason we didn't win.
If the refs had done their job we’d have lost anyway (penalty due to Lindelof handball) Whatever, deciding whether a player is good enough based on whether their mistakes definitely influenced a result or not is ridiculous. It’s all just evidence that, bit by bit, adds up to an overwhelming conclusion. We need a better goalkeeper.
De Gea should be allowed to walk for free. Even if he stays, it will cost us 200k a week and apparently he is saving us but he has had so many howlers this season, he needs to go.
His contract is up in June and I've seen no reports about any other club trying to sign him even on a free, think that shows how bad his performances have been
Who's deciding that? My view on De Gea on this forum has been pretty damn consistent over a number of years.
And the goal definitely influenced the result - there's no getting away from it, the entire mood in the ground changed on the flick of a switch. I've not seen the handball in truth but will take your word for it, the reality is we were well on top at the time of the goal and died on our arse after it.
Anyone who tries to argue “well we didn’t score, so you can’t blame the goalkeeper for us losing”
The biggest clue to De Gea's current standing in the game would be the lack of any club sniffing around trying to sign him. He could sign a precontract with any club outside England.
He's a busted flush with the composure of wet spaghetti.
If he plays any games now to the end of the season you know he's going to get bullied and manhandled at every opportunity by the opposition. Theres a bigger target in his back now.
Futsal my suit him these days with their tiny boxes (joking).
He's a busted flush with the composure of wet spaghetti.
If he plays any games now to the end of the season you know he's going to get bullied and manhandled at every opportunity by the opposition. Theres a bigger target in his back now.
Futsal my suit him these days with their tiny boxes (joking).
Despite the several howlers he's likely to concede next season, it's the prospect of another year of hoofball that depresses me most.
What's with the tactic of Shaw usually taking a short goal kick to De Gea to get the play moving?
Is this something that ETH used to do at Ajax, or is this a tactic he's come up with to babysit De Gea in the hope he's less likely to shit the bed?
Is this something that ETH used to do at Ajax, or is this a tactic he's come up with to babysit De Gea in the hope he's less likely to shit the bed?
Did it with Martinez too. The thinking is if de Gea plays it to Shaw, then it's already decided what side of the pitch the ball is on and the opposition can start their press. If Shaw restarts the play and passes to de Gea, him and Lindelof can widen/change the angle and give DDG two options. DDG then in theory sucks in the player closing down the ball and then picks a side to play it out to, and we start our player from there rather than getting pressed instantly.
EDIT: This video sums it up better as you have a visual. 4:50 if you want to get straight to why.
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That makes a lot of sense, cheers!
Just saw this…
I'd forgotten about that one. So he passed straight it to an attacker 25 yards out in the first half, gave the goal away, passed it to Antonio in the area 30 seconds into the second half, he chucked himself to the ground for another goal and was lucky the ref gave a foul, he chucked himself to the ground a second time and just lay on the ground while they had the ball in the area instead of getting up and didn't come to collect the ball in stoppage time several times forcing Lindelof or Shaw to run 30/40 yards back to regain possession.
What a fecking keeper.
feckin hell didn't even see this one at the time, when people were talking about the one he passed straight to them I thought it was the one he tried to pass to someone in midfield just outside the area, jesus christ
is this legit? I cant tell anymore, twitter is gone to shite
There's still time to pull the offer before ink goes to paper
This is beyond dumb, and now I totally believe that Ten Hag had no problem keeping Ronaldo till that interview.
Overmars was really the guy behind his success at Ajax.
Overmars was really the guy behind his success at Ajax.
Hope we have knocked a few digits off the weekly wage
Looks like a new deal agreed. Various sources reporting it.
The least surprising thing anyone will see this year though tbh.
The least surprising thing anyone will see this year though tbh.
I think if De Gea renewing means we're likely to - if we sign one at all - go for a cheaper relatively unknown young cheaper with potential, who we can bed in for a season or two with De Gea still playing. I can't see us buying a Diogo Costa type profile with De Gea staying
Cool I can't wait for Europa League 24/25
I hope this new deal is like one year extension with half the wages, to the point he’s basically looking for clubs as early as the summer transfer window. ETH surely is looking for a new keeper who’s going to relegate him to cup games.
Having him around is just a negative influence. It’s not like he’s 40 and just counting the days to retirement either where it can work. He’s in what would be his prime years.
Having him around is just a negative influence. It’s not like he’s 40 and just counting the days to retirement either where it can work. He’s in what would be his prime years.
Well it is the 10th anniversary of the Moyes announcement...
This club has no interest in being successful.
This must be the idea, if this is true there is no way a new instant No.1 is incoming. Even if DDG is on half his former wages you cant have a 2nd choice keeper playing 10 games a season on almost 200k a week.
I bet Dave couldn’t believe his luck. Such a stupid decision by the club, not for the first time.
Come on guys, take a day off from melting down for once. It was inevitable, you all knew it. A compromise appears to have been found, lower wages, potentially reduced role.
Bigger things to sort out this summer on and off the pitch so this relatively minor issue being solved now is a positive. Who knows, you might even get your new keeper as well.
Bigger things to sort out this summer on and off the pitch so this relatively minor issue being solved now is a positive. Who knows, you might even get your new keeper as well.
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