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2022-23 Performances

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58
Clean sheets
25
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0
Assists
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Mmm-Qatarian said:
I mean mate, I'm not being funny but you can't laugh at stats being contrived and then turn around and quote "goals conceded in matches where we didn't concede a lot of goals" to bolster your argument.
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As that poster so eloquently put it.

Stats schmats...

No point even engaging with that.
 
Born2Lose said:
What gets me about stuff like this is how do the Club not look at it, especially a guy like Ten Haag. I really hoped he'd be the one to show the Glazers you can spend less money while running the club more efficiently.
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I'm sure Ten Hag is aware of it. I think if the manager has free reign to do what he wants, De Gea will be getting bombed out in the summer. My worry is that the club will be pushing to renew him because it's the simplest thing to do.

It's crazy that there's still a question mark on it. Playing with a goalkeeper like him in this day and age feels archaic for a top club. City moved on from Joe Hart a decade ago, and we're still umming and ahing over renewing De Gea when he'd still be the best paid goalkeeper in the Premier League even on half his current salary. It's approaching Ronaldo territory of obvious.
 
Isotope said:
Absolutely, mate. I'm not blind. I also want a commanding Gk that comfortable passing the ball, like Alisson and Ederson. But, i don't know.. Probably because I have yet to see any goalkeeper that I'm confident will be all that make a big difference, like Schmeichel or VdS.

Or probably because I underestimate correlation between upgrading DDG and winning games.

Just watching City vs Arsenal, it does leave me cold. How are we able to be better than them?
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Be better by not doing what they want you to do. We do have to upgrade our team gradually, but we can always figure out ways to beat them.
 
Olecurls99 said:
Most of their chances came from him thumping it to the halfway line
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And all the control they had came from his ability to play out under pressure. They encouraged Arsenal to press got them exactly where they wanted them then went direct to Haaland to do the damage. Then quite happily passes to ball around Arsenal press aswell to compleatly nullify them.
 
Olecurls99 said:
Because they're outliers were the team fell apart. Over the other 27 games the team and De Gea have been very good by and large and 20 goals conceded is evidence of that.
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But the keeper is a big part of the team. He was giving goals away for fun against Brentford. You say they are outliers, but they still exist. Those results contribute to us not being a truly top side and a side who have conceded a fair amount of goals. I'm sure there are also games where De Gea has got away with being passive and lacking command, yet has still gone on to pick up a clean sheet.
 
JB7 said:
The problem with your point here is that only De Bruyne of those players you've put in the City 11 was at the club when Guardiola joined the club. Yet one of the first things he did was drop the England #1 goalkeeper for his back-up (and then sign another goalkeeper and let the England #1 leave the club). If the goalkeeper is such an irrelevance in how City play, why did he not just make-do with Hart for a year or two until he could sign the goalkeeper he actually wanted?

And it's literally only the people that don't see goalkeeper as a big priority who keep this rhetoric going that we need to spend £70m for a new first choice goalkeeper. I think most of us are realistic enough to see that we need to spend big on a striker and that you don't need to spend big to bring in a goalkeeper who is a better fit than De Gea. Do people think we were offering Mönchengladbach & Frankfurt £70m in the summer when we tried to sign Sommer and Trapp?
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Let see then, how much we'd spent on Gk.

Did Guardiola win anything the season he replace Hart, or was it after he upgraded several other payers? Guardiola upgraded Joe Hart with a worse Gk that he eventually replaced also.
 
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Olecurls99 said:
Take out the 3 absolute team meltdowns and De Gea has conceded 20 goals in 27 league games.

Not bad
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This is an important point.

Critics of this point could reasonably argue that you can't cherry pick out data that argues against your thesis, which is a fair point...but only up to a point. And it's also a fair point to point out that at least in one of those meltdowns (Brentford), De Gea was hugely at fault as well as the rest of the team. But Brentford, City and Liverpool were massively team melts and not De Gea melts. I can't think of a single goal Liverpool scored on us on that horrific day where we could say it was all De Gea's fault. I'd have to go back over what happened v City to pick out anything De Gea should have saved.

Even acknowledging that De Gea was hugely, but still partially, at fault for the Brentford melt, it is a fact that De Gea has conceded 20 goals in 27 PL games. That's actually pretty decent. No one would argue that De Gea should have prevented all 20 of those goals from going through and I'm sure we could pick out at least 1 or 2 of those 20 goals De Gea should have saved.

And then, if this going to be a fair analysis, we'd have to go over the saves that made and classify them as saves you'd reasonably expect keepers like Ramsdale and Raya (as those names keep coming up here as possible replacements for Dave) to make and those saves that are just honestly saves you'd never reasonably ever expect to see Ramsdale or Raya to ever make. I don't write them down as they happen so I can't offer that here, but I can tell you that since the debacle v Brentford Dave has consistently made the saves you'd expect Ramsdale and Raya to make as well as saves you'd never expect Ramsdale and Raya to make. Since Brentford has Dave conceded 1 or 2 goals he shouldn't have? I'm pretty sure he has, but in terms of shot stopping Dave has returned to his pre-Spain 2018 shambolic form (the CR7 weak that squirmed through Dave's legs) and that's not an insignificant development in his game since that low point in his career.
 
No doubt De Gea will take the blame for Malacia’s woeful positioning on the second goal.
 
Just relentless pressure on the back four with this his abysmal kicking.

It’s the main reason we struggle away from home.

Gets the opposition crowd going as well.
 
Everything else aside, if he actually just fecking tries to save that first one, VAR disallows it because Richarlison is offside and in his way.

But no, he might get an owie if he does that. Massive fanny and always has been.
 
Standard game, doesnt help his team on crosses or to keep possession.

I also think if he tries to save the Porro goal they would have been forced to call the offside.
 
Is he color blind with red? How many times he failed with his goal kick to reach our player?

He can't sweep, he can't command his area, he can't pass.

Yet, the biggest wage in the club ladies and gentlemen.
 
He has periods in games where he loses all control and authority. He doesn't have much to start with, admittedly, but it feels like once the crowd gets up, and you can sense the team needs to manage a spell...he goes to shit. It's contagious, it seems because then the defence is twitchy.
 
Just a slight bit of shithousery on the first goal to make it obvious that Richarlison was impeding him would've resulted in it being disallowed. Our players have no street smarts.
 
Smashing long balls upfield with Anthony, Sancho and Rashford the targets is criminal

Absolutely pointless and it cost us a goal yet again

First thing Pep did at City was replace fan favourite Joe Hart simply because he was shit at kicking, if ETH wants a possession based game he needs a new keeper it makes everything null and void if we’re pumping long balls up the pitch simply because the keeper can’t pass it
 
Oranges038 said:
The one where AWB stood and let the ball come in and then fell into and pushed a spuds player in the box.
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Oi. It was a peach of a finish. I actually don't think ddg even seen it to even make an attempt.

But yea if he even stepped to his left it has to be offside.
 
Castia said:
Smashing long balls upfield with Anthony, Sancho and Rashford the targets is criminal

Absolutely pointless and it cost us a goal yet again
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It shouldn't even have went back to him. I say this time and time again but we needlessly pass it back to him to hoof up the pitch. Its like they don't want to do it themselves and they just say here you do it
 
klayton88 said:
One I can forgive because he plays sparingly and is in his first season. The other has been consistently not good enough for years.
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Playing sparingly is no excuse for having no idea where to be on the pitch.
 
Really weak goalkeeping for the first goal. Then his panicky distribution put us under the pump.

Made some decent saves. Nothing that spectacular though.
 
Really good first half, really shite second.

I'm completely done with him as our first choice keeper. We're not going to be making any serious title challenge until he's gone.
 
arnie_ni said:
Oi. It was a peach of a finish. I actually don't think ddg even seen it to even make an attempt.

But yea if he even stepped to his left it has to be offside.
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I blame AWB for that goal.

He was rubbish tonight, shockingly bad.
 
Who should he play the ball too when he's forced to play it long? They are all short and weak... The misfielders hid all game bar Casemiro and he cant have the ball every second.

He aint to blame, the rest of the hiding weak feckers are
 
Has anyone ever reflected over the squishiness (?) of our recepients for his distribution? Across the board they aren't exactly strong aerial duellers.
 
PSV said:
Has anyone ever reflected over the squishiness (?) of our recepients for his distribution? Across the board they aren't exactly strong aerial duellers.
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I don't care about that as much. My issue is we never win the second ball after that. It always falls to the opposition
 
arnie_ni said:
Aye he was bad but he got no help from antony either
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No excuse for not closing down the winger, he just stood and looked at him cross the ball for goal.

Don't think there's much to blame DDG for, usual performance from him, decent saves, some terrible passing, game falls to shit when the team comes under pressure. Nothing new there.
 
PSV said:
Has anyone ever reflected over the squishiness (?) of our recepients for his distribution? Across the board they aren't exactly strong aerial duellers.
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This wouldn't be an issue if De Gea could just stay calm under even the slightest bit of pressure rather than reverting to going long every damn time.
 
How I long for the day we have a goalkeeper who's actually brave enough to command his area. There was a bit in the first half where he made a timid attempt at getting to a cross and then complained to the ref that he was fouled. He's the lion from the Wizard Of Oz.
 
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