De Gea has 14 clean sheets. In the other 16 games he has 46 goals against. That's an average 2.9 goals against per game. If you think that's good enough than you need to give your head a massive wobble. Put it this way. Nick Pope is 2nd with 13 clean sheets in. In his other 18 games he has 25 goals against or 1.3 goals against. Ramsdale has 12 clean sheets. In his other 20 games he has 34 goals against or 1.7. Hell, even Martinez at Villa has 11 clean sheets and 41 against in the other 22 games for an average of 1.9 goals against.
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De Gea has 14 clean sheets. In the other 16 games he has 46 goals against. That's an average 2.9 goals against per game. If you think that's good enough than you need to give your head a massive wobble. Put it this way. Nick Pope is 2nd with 13 clean sheets in. In his other 18 games he has 25 goals against or 1.3 goals against. Ramsdale has 12 clean sheets. In his other 20 games he has 34 goals against or 1.7. Hell, even Martinez at Villa has 11 clean sheets and 41 against in the other 22 games for an average of 1.9 goals against.
Is this league we're talking about? If so your maths is a bit out - we've only conceded 37 goals all season... So it's 2.3 goals per game, but then remember that 17 of those goals came in 3 totally freak games that were a complete failure by the whole team/squad/management etc, so if you throw those out (and obviously there is an argument you shouldnt) it's 20 goals in 13 games, which is 1.5 per game, which is about the standard set above.
EDIT - Ah I see what you did - we've scored 46 goals this season, not conceded.
I agree and this is why I try to stay away from this topic.
The stats paint a very clear picture of what De Gea is, that is "average all around keeper" AT BEST. But people on here will find a million ways to turn this upside down and use argument like the one about clean sheets or this guy who was quoting some tweets from November in February/March.
I don't think you'd ever have fans wanting the leagues top scorer gone though. A very strange place
Please quote me on this. David De Gea will never win a top 5 league trophy ever again as a starting GK. Or a major European trophy (CL).
When United have a bad game they collapse…that applies to the whole team, which can make stats very skewed.
DDG is having an okay season, the eye test will tell you that his kicking/passing is still dodgy, but he hasn’t lost his reflexes or ability to make world class saves.
Is he good enough to win the league again? Maybe
Is he the best keeper in the league…No
How much money EtH has to spend this summer will decide if DDG is no.1 next year.
DDG is having an okay season, the eye test will tell you that his kicking/passing is still dodgy, but he hasn’t lost his reflexes or ability to make world class saves.
Is he good enough to win the league again? Maybe
Is he the best keeper in the league…No
How much money EtH has to spend this summer will decide if DDG is no.1 next year.
I think De Gea has been decent this season. My major frustration with him is his unwillingness to get into the mix, challenge strikers in the air and claim crosses. It's so fundamental and the impact on our defence is so obvious, but it's been a clear weakness in his game for a decade now.
Yes, agreed - fair enough. People clearly go too far and some also refuse to give the poor fecker credit when he actually does something right.
Let's just say the overall picture is pretty clear when it comes to his status as a penalty stopper over the last decade or so.
TBF doubt we win a league or CL title between now and when De Gea retires, even if he's not at the club.
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Can we win the league with Ramsdale?
I doubt it
controversial!!
We can win the league with a Diogo Costa or Mike Maignan imo and dont need to sign Ramsdale from a domestic rival. Because to win the league with the current head coach and beat out a team like City to the title, who have elite level build up play, and a owner with very deep pockets. We need to feed the idea, so that the idea manifests itself on the pitch.
Without having strong first phase players on the ball, I can't see how we can beat City to the title. If our players in the first phase are better without the ball than they're on the ball, then that there is the issue. If your back 5, can't support the front 5 when it comes to playing the game in the opponent's half, then you've fallen victim to the opponent's press who have exposed your technical vulnerabilities on the ball hence a positional play coach like ten Hag has to make compromises in the build up phase.
If you want to see ten Hag's vision come to fruition, where we transition into a proactive attacking team, then we need players who are elite on the ball in every position, but particularly elite in the build up phase. And currently United have one too many players who aren't even close to being elite in the build up phase. So the key is to raise the technical level in the back 5 and deeper midfield positions.
De Gea isn't good enough for that type of football and has already been ousted by a champions league winning coach in Luis Enrique, who also wants his teams to exert zonal and positional control in possession.
We watched how City just play Arsenal. I don't think any sane football fans would think that City play those impressive football, because they have Ederson in goal. He's like among the last players, in terms of contributing City being able to play wonderful football.
Of course I'd like an upgrade of DDG. But if we want to have a team that able to beat City, there are way more players on the team to be upgraded.
Just look at our team and City.
------------------ Martial ---
Rashford ---- Bruno ---- Antony
---------Casemiro ---Eriksen --
Shaw -- Martinez -- Varane -- AWB
----------------DDG----
---------------- Haaland -----
Grealish ---- KdB ----- B. Silva
--------Gundogan -- Rodri --
Akanji --R. Dias ---- Stones -- Walker
---------------Ederson ----
How can you honestly think that replacing DDG (spend 70m) is high priority to beat City? Replacing DDG with Ederson there wouldn't change much.
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That's because teams are afraid to press City high up the pitch and hence concede the ball to them in their defensive third. And they're afraid because they know if they press high then the likes of Ederson and the rest have the potential to resist and evade the press, which will expose their defensive structure. With De Gea and a few others in our first phase, teams are encouraged to press high due to their vulnerabilities on the ball. Hence we concede possession easily and have to spend more time chasing the ball against teams who press us high and disrupt the flow.
I agree we need more than just upgrading the keeper. But if we want to be a attacking team, then those positions in the build up phase need to be boosted when it comes to technical ability against a aggressive high press.
We also need a owner upgrade.
Absolutely, mate. I'm not blind. I also want a commanding Gk that comfortable passing the ball, like Alisson and Ederson. But, i don't know.. Probably because I have yet to see any goalkeeper that I'm confident will be all that make a big difference, like Schmeichel or VdS.
Or probably because I underestimate correlation between upgrading DDG and winning games.
Just watching City vs Arsenal, it does leave me cold. How are we able to be better than them?
Upgrade the owner, it’s probably become the pre-condition for the upgrade on anything else, considering the current financial situation of the club. It is now an unimaginable situation if that doesn’t happen. A real meltdown across the world for us.
I completely understand where you're coming from mate.
But it's about taking steps to get closer to a team that has been developing a playstyle for seven years, under Guardiola. Hopefully we have a ownership upgrade, which should help.
Yes, i messed up and looked at conceded. Still, 2.3 is horrible
A lot of stick from De Gea critics about that pass on Thursday. I saw Ederson play that pass and others a fair few times last night, leaving his players with less time and space than De Gea left Maguire.
My question is do you actually want a ball playing keeper or not?
My question is do you actually want a ball playing keeper or not?
Take out the 3 absolute team meltdowns and De Gea has conceded 20 goals in 27 league games.
Not bad
Not bad
What gets me about stuff like this is how do the Club not look at it, especially a guy like Ten Haag. I really hoped he'd be the one to show the Glazers you can spend less money while running the club more efficiently.
His defenders will be here in a minute to tell you this is unnecessary hate, and I don't mean Varane and Martinez.
Why would you take them out? Especially that De Gea disaster class against Brentford.
Because they're outliers were the team fell apart. Over the other 27 games the team and De Gea have been very good by and large and 20 goals conceded is evidence of that.
The problem with your point here is that only De Bruyne of those players you've put in the City 11 was at the club when Guardiola joined the club. Yet one of the first things he did was drop the England #1 goalkeeper for his back-up (and then sign another goalkeeper and let the England #1 leave the club). If the goalkeeper is such an irrelevance in how City play, why did he not just make-do with Hart for a year or two until he could sign the goalkeeper he actually wanted?
And it's literally only the people that don't see goalkeeper as a big priority who keep this rhetoric going that we need to spend £70m for a new first choice goalkeeper. I think most of us are realistic enough to see that we need to spend big on a striker and that you don't need to spend big to bring in a goalkeeper who is a better fit than De Gea. Do people think we were offering Mönchengladbach & Frankfurt £70m in the summer when we tried to sign Sommer and Trapp?
If you only look at FA Cup semi finals played on a Sunday this season, De Gea has a 100% clean sheet ratio. GOAT.
And who played in front of him during that period? Anyone looks good with world class defenders in front of them.
No, not anyone. He's saved us loads of points by making the saves he has. They're a good trio I think.
He’s cost us just as much
I disagree. Apart from Brentford I can't think of another league game were he was the chief culprit.
I mean mate, I'm not being funny but you can't laugh at stats being contrived and then turn around and quote "goals conceded in matches where we didn't concede a lot of goals" to bolster your argument.
I'm not a fan of Ederson at all (I think his shot stopping is bang average), but it intrigued me a lot seeing him pass to the central area of the pitch so comfortably (and repeatedly) yesterday.
Most of their chances came from him thumping it to the halfway line
I'm not a fan of Ederson either, but he's a keeper who has aided the development of a idea (play style), which has correlated to multiple league title wins at a time when teams are collectively defending high up the pitch. The same applies to Allison at Liverpool who has also made a similar contribution which has helped Liverpool/Klopp sacrifice defensive stability for goals, which has again correlated to league and European Cup wins.
The game has evolved in England and it requires the keeper (first superiority in possession) to do alot more than just stop shots.
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