Ten Hag can set up this team in low block abandoning any notion of playing out of the back , but the thing is De Gea would still prove to be a liability because fact of the matter is he is simply a mediocre keeper .
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I don’t know and that’s my honest answer.
I’ve spent the last 10 mins trying to fabricate a reply but I’ve given up.
I don’t know man but I’d appreciate an upgrade in those areas.
That's my main concern as well. A lot of the numpties on here would literally replace him with anybody and we'd ultimately be back to square one repeating the cycle of having a GK who isn't up to it. Buying a Manchester United GK with a manager who wants to play progressive football is not as easy as just getting any Tom dick or Jerry from a mid table side.
He could but he won't. It's not his style.
Has he done anything well?
His lack of leadership at the back is what’s most concerning. Can’t have that if United want to be challenging.
We already have a keeper that we know is not up to playing the progressive football.
Why bother continuing with that, when you could see if someone else could do it?
I'm happy to answer you , based on good faith, but before I do, is that your only question or take away from my post?
I ask because my actual answer to your query will be based on how you respond given how you've posted in this thread so far.
Thanks and that's how I feel. I still hope he gets the fa cup, we finish in top four and for him he can take away the golden glove
Yeah I didn't focus on league for a specific reason, especially as you can argue which game is more important than another.
His mistakes when Ole was interim manager were big.
I also think we as a defensive unit looked stronger when Henderson took over number one spot from him for the remainder of the season. (Even though ddg becoming cup keeper helped cost us the Europa League final and we obviously can and should do better than Henderson)
I am also under the impression that this notion of modern keeper that's banded around on this forum where people who play with their feet will automatically be worse than DDG in under aspects such as shot stopping is a false narrative.
Nah never mind. I barely read the post tbf. Just a lot of angry venting from what I could see.
But hey, golden glove holder is awful keeper. That's weird eh?
As I thoughtDont over think it.
Pep came in and immediately realised Joe Hart wasnt up to the task and signed a keeper he thought was good. A year later after one season he binned him and signed a replacement. One thing you can say about Pep, he knows what he wants/likes and doesnt waste time.
Ten Hag has to move with the same ruthlessness. Theres no time for sentimentality.
Klopp similar with mignolet, bringing in karius and then binning him for allisson.
Arteta too in terms of bringing in ramsdale.
Of course it helps if the manager gets funds otherwise he's gotta keep praising the person to try get the best outta them until it's possible.
That's the one advantage city had, pep was gonna be backed until he got it right.
Speaking of big games, I recently watched the highlights of the PSG match in 2019. The one Rashford scored a last minute winner in.
In the last minute of that match he does this weak punch and we nearly concede a goal that would have knocked us out.
around 5:10 mark on this video
I'm fine with replacing ddg but people throwing out names like Henderson or Pickford I'd rather not bring in some mediocre gk just for the sake of making a change
He pisses me off more than any player we've ever had. I can't wait for the day that he doesn't represent this club anymore.
Yeah if we can't get any of Costa/Maignan/Raya then maybe we are best to wait but worry about damage it will do
I'll happily criticise De Gea when he deserves it, but I turned that video off after 3 minutes because of how many goals weren't his fault. It's certainly not a 20 minute fail compilation.
It's got nothing to do with Osimhen and Kane. It's to do with us literally not having a single striker in the entire squad who is remotely good or reliable enough to play that role over the course of a season. In a squad with quite a few weaknesses it is by far the biggest and has the most impact on the entire team as a whole and our playstyle. Just like right wing was our priority for the same reason, but now is no longer a priority despite Antony not actually being that great.
I can understand some people having the other positions of need in different levels of priority, but I'm amazed anyone thinks that striker isn't by far the biggest. In terms of priority you basically start with your biggest weakness which is obviously striker.
Yep, makes sense that a great servant to the club and several time player of the season will have pissed you off more than 'any player we've ever had'. Nice one.
De Gea has a mental issue that holds him back. When he makes a mistake he loses his head and 2,3 other mistakes are likely to follow because he throws in the towel.. mentally. It’s the reason he has passed the ball to an opposition player like 8 times this season .. unforced errors is my concern. I think ETH knows and has tried to work on it… we offered mattheus sommer a contract which he rejected… because of Bayern. We need to be brave and go for Manuel Neuer. But ffp may not allow as we have to prioritize a striker.
I don't think that just applies to DDG tbf.
Some proper odd hate in this thread for a player who's been a great servant to this club, and an all round decent guy by the looks of it, but who just can't play in the system ten hag wants to play, not his fault. But the way some are going on you'd swear he's been fecking up on purpose.
He hasn't been good enough for us for 5 years. He is only a "great servant" because we haven't been ruthless enough to bomb him out sooner, added to the fact that he's on an absolutely ridiculous salary. Using your hands in a crowded space is a huge advantage, but it's one that we do not have available to us because our goalkeeper prefers to stay on his line and hope for the best. We have willingly allowed his cowardice to fester in this team.
Yeah me too. If we can get a top striker, that would be my preference, first up, then keeper among the next upgrades if we have the funds.
The thing about keepers is that they all make mistakes in one way or another. They let in shots they should save, they come for crosses and miss, they pass it straight to an oppo, they give away pens. They are exposed all the time and you can’t get someone who is perfect. On the whole, Dave saves most stuff that he should save and quite a few that most keepers wouldn’t save. But we have to admit that stopping is quite a small part of a keeper’s job these days.
He’s been a good servant but I’d like to try a different style of keeper now; however, I wouldn’t know which keeper we can get (who will give us an overall improvement over Dave) for the money we’ll have available. Despite everything that counts against him, Dave is still quite highly rated and we can’t just stick anyone in there. If we could, why not Henderson or Heaton or Butland or Vitek?
I mean, the only time Henderson ever got a run in our goal we improved in literally every single defensive attribute and it was the most organised our defence looked for any of the years surrounding that period. Admittedly De Gea was in worse form at the time than he has been this season, but it's also not like De Gea has been particularly good or anything.
Do I want Henderson in goal? No, I want better. But it's an indication on De Gea that I wouldn't be surprised if our defensive unit as a whole improved with Henderson, and if our possession and ball-winning ability also improved because of the fact we could play a higher line with a keeper who is willing to sweep.
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He can't play in any system at the highest level anymore. Let's not over-complicate this.
It's definitely his fault he can't command his area, play sweeper and catch high balls after playing football on the highest level for 10-15 years.
Maybe it's Ten Hag mistake to push him a bit out of comfort zone, but I'd expect our manager does that. Dave just can't handle this.
He's been a great servant but it simply isn't enough to continue with him for another season. No hate in stating that.
I’m not averse to Henderson getting a run.
He did make the odd clanger though. Over time he’d make as many clangers as Dave, I should think.
In general, I would probably steer away from the argument that Dave has cost us so many games with his mistakes etc. It’s a more fundamental issue - the overall effect on the team and how it functions.
With Henderson, yes, it’s the sweeping where he would improve us. I don’t know what the club’s beef with him is - personality / temperament / attitude, possibly. If he comes back, the club has to commit to playing him through thick and thin and move Dave on. I surmise Henderson doesn’t like having to compete for his place. If money was no object I suppose we’d buy somebody but money is, apparently, tight.
Pep also has unlimited funds so didn't have to pick and choose who he could and couldn't afford to replace.
We don't have that luxury
Even as a Man United player you can make a mistake or look unlucky. If you do this in an important game, we're already in red territory. If you do this several times in an important game, you must be out of the club. Simple as.
Someone above said Klopp did the same.
City might have unlimited funds but they also spend and sell well.
Indeed. Not sure how we can rapidly improve how well we buy and sell. Probably we have the wrong people in relevant posts. Either way, we will need to prioritise. You could argue that the Antony money should have gone on a keeper but presumably EtH prioritised RW at that time.
Um, no it is 90% of the job.
No it's not.
It might ultimately be the most significant part of the keepers job.
But the reality is, even if you make 10 saves in a game that is probably at most 30 seconds out of 90 mins. Generally, you'll probably see the ball for a grand total of about 3 mins.
The other 87 mins and 30 seconds is spent, talking organising, positioning yourself and doing everything else. It's this everything else that really lets DDG down.
He sold countinho for over 100mil to allow him to do that.
Yeah that’s true timewise. But when the time comes you have to be ready to make the save. In importance that is 90% of the job.
The selling part will be made easier once we stop giving ridiculous wages. If that's the only way to get a player here then it's a problem already. If we give decent wages, and the player flops then we have a chance of moving them on. If we give wages no other club would come close to, then we're F'd.
Ddg is the obvious one since it seems he's getting close to 350k pw
Allisson and kepa are apparently second with 150k. So even a 50% reduction means he's still highest in the league despite not being there in terms of levels.
Ddg has at least been consistent with this.
Yeah that was a slight sentence on that. But he did the exact same thing Vs arsenal at the Emirates. Under no pressure and he does that cowardly little hand stab at the ball and it doesn't clear the box and goes to an opposition player.
I've grown up with schmeichel and vds dominating. I've also seen both keepers make horrid mistakes but they have strong mentalities.
Ddg has longevity (despite wanting to leave 8 years ago and because nobody else wanted him after that). But given his overall tenure, he's nowhere near the class and level of the two CL winning keepers. That should be the standard were looking at. There is no way ddg stays if we had a manager who was here through his whole reign
That’s not a very modern or holistic way of looking at it. If a keeper doesn’t bother to try and save shots on the goal it would, of course be calamitous - they have to protect the goal.
But, as a ton of people have already said in this thread, the keeper is part of everything the team does because the qualities of the keeper dictate the way the team sets up and plays.
Regarding protecting the goal- yes the keeper has to save shots but he also has to play a role in reducing the number of shots that are allowed. This is partly controlling the area by dominating it physically and dominating the air space; Dave doesn’t really do this. The other part is distribution, sweeping, playing out, participating in the play; doing these things well reduces opportunities for the opposition and Dave falls a bit short in these areas.
There is room for debate about whether a good shot stopper is more important than being good in these other areas but stopping alone is very much insufficient.
If you look at stopping as an attribute and compare all the Prem keepers there is not that much to choose between them. Look at the other attributes and the differences are greater, imo.
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I understand your reasoning and it’s not wrong. I just don’t generally agree with a striker being prioritised over any other position.
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