He didnt need to beat three players come on. See the replay and slow it down. The player who intercepted is actually bypassed by the original pass De Gea made. Maguire brought him back into the play by passing backwards
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Christ sake, there is a difference between a risky pass and a bad pass. Watch the pass to Maguire, he kicks the ball into the ground hence it is a slow bobbly ball out. This is not rocket science.
It bounces
you have to admit that's pretty impressive to doOk two players. If a CB has to evade two players because of a goalkeepers pass it can't be right can it?
How is this even debatable. CB's are CB's for a reason.
It was a crap pass from a crap keeper to a crap player that fecked up and gave the ball away in a series of not entirely unexpected events.
They are both shit and both of them need to see the exit door in the summer
They are both shit and both of them need to see the exit door in the summer
The really concerning thing is he doesn’t recover from the jitters and tends to go on a run of games where he makes howlers. And has previous for doing this at the tail end of the season, costing us vital points when trying to qualify for the champions league. I’ll never forgive him for basically repeatedly chucking the ball into his own net the season Ole joined and being the single biggest factor which cost us top 4.
Ten Hag shouldn't be asking him to play passes like this when he clearly can't do it consistently, if you're going to play him then let him do what he is comforatable with, for what you gain to the risk involved it just seems unnecessary in my eyes.
Anyway I expect him to stay, but then quickly see his United career go the same way as Mctominay, Lindelof, and Maguire's has.
Anyway I expect him to stay, but then quickly see his United career go the same way as Mctominay, Lindelof, and Maguire's has.
I'm no expert.
But, I just can't see how anyone can call that a good pass.
The pass was slow, bobbly and played to his wrong side.
Maguire had to check his run to try and recover it.
Definition of a hospital pass.
Leave now David.
Happy memories and a legend. Thank you.
Happy memories and a legend. Thank you.
He's an absolute coward mentally. For a player that was so good at his peak he'd never have the stones to have a game like Courtouis did against Liverpool last May. His Spain performances were comical
Did the pass prevent Maguire from turning and just running the ball out of defence like anyone with any sense would do? No.
Yes, because it was played to his wrong side.
It was parked at a funny angle
Well it certainly didn't help him but has literally anybody said Maguire isn't at fault in any way shape or form here?
He's been a great servant to the club and it will be sad to see him go, but the time has arrived I think. Unless he's happy to be our backup keeper, but that's doubtful as there are plenty of good clubs he'd still start for.
Nobody outside of United will pay him 150k/w (why would anyone in their right mind do that when Alisson is on 150k??), so he's staying. He reportedly turned down 200k/w so our moronic board will probably settle somewhere around 250-300k to renew his contract.
So, so sick of our incompetent board.
I can remember quite a few throughout the years actually.
De Gea, the lack of an excellent/world class CM, and the lack of a manager in his prime are the main reasons why we've been so bad the last 10 years despite changing all personel multiple times.
Yes... even in his POTY seasons.
He has never had any of the qualities a title challenger team keeper must have.
He's world class as a defensive / reactive keeper and that's what teams that park the bus need.
Parking the bus might be good for some games, but unless you are prime Mourinho, you'll never challenge for anything important with that.
We got away with it the first years because of SAF, Carrick being in his prime and a wonder season from RVP, as soon as we lost those things we never came back.
He will still make his reactionary saves that have kept confusing people for years.
Yes... even in his POTY seasons.
He has never had any of the qualities a title challenger team keeper must have.
He's world class as a defensive / reactive keeper and that's what teams that park the bus need.
Parking the bus might be good for some games, but unless you are prime Mourinho, you'll never challenge for anything important with that.
We got away with it the first years because of SAF, Carrick being in his prime and a wonder season from RVP, as soon as we lost those things we never came back.
He will still make his reactionary saves that have kept confusing people for years.
All his great performances were in the English Premier League, he always crumble on big stages like World Cup, Champions leauge knock outs
There's a reason that particular clip is being bought up over and over and over again in these discussions. It's because Martinez (who actually had a lot more time and space when he received the ball than what Maguire did) did very well to get out of a dangerous position. It was a stand-out moment.
Ideally we'd have somebody who is good enough on the ball who would get out the situation that Maguire was in. There's not a single person saying he doesn't take some blame there. But De Gea put him in an extremely dangerous situation with a pass that was both poorly placed and poorly executed. It was a poor pass from De Gea whether Maguire manages to get himself out of that situation or not.
We conceded two almost identical goals earlier in the season when De Gea gave similar passes to Eriksen and Fred when they were being closed down by multiple players and couldn't play themselves out. There's been a few other times where we got lucky that the opposition didn't get the ball in the back of the net. How long do we put all the blame on the players losing the ball and not on the player giving them the ball in such a dangerous situation?
Yeah. DDG needs to learn a thing or two from Ramsdale about passing to CB.
Probably need to watch Alisson too in their big game against Madrid about his passing.
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Yet you seem to be a fan of Martial. I guess we all see what we want to see.
Sums it all up very well.
Just quoting myself from earlier this year. A keeper of chaos. A few worldies in a sea of shit. That’s his comfort zone. It’s why his Player of the Year awards have repeatedly come at a time when the team has been woeful. Shots being peppered into his goal so that he can show off the genuinely brilliant shot-stopping that was once unmatchable.
But when we’re getting on, when we’re looking at going for more trophies, the calamity appears and sticks out to remind us of the reality that this guy is a bluffer, and a barrier to real success.
I mean, some of you are mental not to see this. Convincing yourselves that he wasn’t at fault for the goal the other night through still, out-of-context images of Harry Maguire (yes, he also needs firing out of a cannon) as if he and he alone was at fault for that first goal. Come off it for feck sake.
I’m not exaggerating when I say that the decision Ten Hag and the club makes on De Gea is the single most important decision on a player we’ll make post-Ferguson.
Get it wrong and Ten Hag has fecked it.
It’s the ultimate litmus test. It’s clear the team will never become elite in the first possession phase with De Gea. Are we building a modern progressive team or are we still obsessed with the individual?
Anyone who wants proof if this, just rewatch the Roma game from the EL a few years ago.
He is a brilliant shot stopper on his line. Howeer he makes everyone nervous when kicking out. I close my eyes when our backs pass back to him. We just have to get in a top goalkeeper next season.
Laughable post if you are being sarcastic about it.
2013 CL against Madrid? Remember him being fantastic in a KO tie against Sevilla as well a few years ago. Stop making up shite.
So like 1 good game justifies all the trash performances on those big stages
Totally agree. A gk should be in charge because he has better overview.
This mistake is similar to the one against Brentford where Eriksen asked for the ball. In both instances De Gea is at fault, no matter that the players asked to be passed to.
I remember De Gea knocking the ball into the net against Sevilla in CL knockout Tie at Old Trafford .
Paul fecking Scholes said he knows only one CB in the world that could deal with that ball consistently. It’s a horrible pass.
Agree 100%
Blaming De Gea for not ignoring Maguire's request for ball is so wrong. Football is a team sport, players are supposed to COMMUNICATE, which means - trust your teammates and follow their cues. Especially when De Gea is now used to having defenders he can trust (like Martinez) we are blaming him for not ignoring Maguire? That "logic" is quite something.
It was certainly not a good game for De Ga, but the amount of blame he gets is insane. All goalkeepers make fatal mistakes in some games. De Gea certainly does, too. But over the years David has saved countless games for us. COUNTLESS. I can't remember last time you could say the same about Maguire. But I can give you counltess times when Maguire caused us to lose games. So there's that.
It’s Maguire, David has to factor that in. Slow on the turn, so you don’t pass to him with three players around him.
DDG has been world class at times. No argument there.
But that's in the past. Now his errors are regular and almost predictable.
His era should be brought to an end as he's no longer a keeper of sufficient quality that a title challenging team should have
He was "unlucky" in all goals! This has happened countless times before with spanish players, against their countrys teams. Moreno at Liverpool, Adrian at Liverpool, Martinez at Bayern, Bernat at Bayern. Don't buy spanish players.
Y’all are clamoring for a progressive passing gk. David can play through the lines, he does it every game.
Mistakes will happen: passing to Maguire in this situation was a mistake.
Ramsdale just fecked one up too against Southampton.
No need to overreact. We bypass the press frequently with a pass through the lines and it is worth some risk.
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