He's not for sale. It's just paper talk because of Bruce's connection to United. 10 million would only buy welbecks left leg
Danny Welbeck to Hull for £10m?
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Why the eyes? Stranger things have happened
Would be madness I rate him that highly it would have to be £30m+
I never said the deal was true, I very much doubt Welbeck would want to go to Hull and United would want more than 10m. I just don't think if he did leave and wanted to be first choice that he'd move to a much bigger club than Hull.
It's actually bizarre how overrated Welbeck is. It's not too dissimilar to the Luiz overrating. Neither is actually very good in the position they're suppose to play yet have other traits. He's a £15 million player at most.
Well that's a bit different to saying he's only mid table quality
It's shocking how little people rate Welbeck on the basis his goal to game ratio isn't great, especially when said statistics are skewed by the amount of times he's come off the bench or played on the wing. If you normalise his stats for goals to games started through the middle he's roughly a one in two striker and would probably get 15-20 a season if he got that chance.
His all round contribution to the team is excellent as well - his pressing, work rate get praised but he's also very good technically and in the build up and makes space for others. I would go as far to say that Welbeck has brought more out of Rooney as a partner than any other strike partner he's had. We're going to need his pace too - the likes of Mata, RVP & Rooney look good on paper but none of them threaten in behind.
£10m is a joke fee - I don't think you could get a single member of the England u21 team for £10m
He barely starts through the middle, and when he does he has a decent scoring ratio?
His all round contribution to the team is excellent as well - his pressing, work rate get praised but he's also very good technically and in the build up and makes space for others. I would go as far to say that Welbeck has brought more out of Rooney as a partner than any other strike partner he's had. We're going to need his pace too - the likes of Mata, RVP & Rooney look good on paper but none of them threaten in behind.
£10m is a joke fee - I don't think you could get a single member of the England u21 team for £10m
He barely starts through the middle, and when he does he has a decent scoring ratio?
Perhaps but I have no idea what Real Madrid would want with Welbeck.
Boil your head in a bucket of brain juice. If the likes of Shane long are going for 12m and championship players for 10m, then the market dictates that Welbeck would fetch more
I don't believe it either as they are well stocked.
Pfft, teams desperate for players signings rivals best strikers. Of course those fees are going to be higher than they should be. Also Long is a better goalscorer than Welbeck.
Swap Welbeck with Sturridge and a few years ago many people would have said the same thing. Welbeck is easily a £20 million player at least, as a regular England international in the premier league.
He actually had a better shots to goals ratio than Rooney and van Persie last year in the league.
Of course now someone will reply he falls down on over half his chances and doesn't actually get a shot off.
A goal record of 1 in 4.5 games? Don't be daft.
Hardly, Sturridge went to Bolton and was excellent. Welbeck went to Sunderland and struggled to score. Why is he worth £20 million? Other than being a United player, what attributes make him worth that amount?
Danny Welbeck is a very good sub striker, outside of Man City strikers I would say he's the best in the league right now. I wouldn't want to sell him and certainly not for £14m, at 23 he could be a very good premier league player for most teams for the next 7/8 years, he's worth at least £20m but I wouldn't want to sell for anything below £25m.
From left wing?
Shane Long has a better goal ratio and people were saying that he was too expensive at £12m
He's fast, strong, a good passer, links-up well with his teammates, and has terrific work ethic; is a decent enough dribbler and creates a lot of space for other players with his runs. All things considered, he gives the opposition defenders something different to think about. We played better football in pre-season with him than without him, and to me that says quite a lot.
He isn't a good enough finisher though.
If United were to sign a player of Welbeck's quality for ten million, I think we would be over the moon quite frankly. Selling him for that amount would be plain stupid.
I have no idea about prices in today's market as they seem arbitrary at best, but he's at least a very good squad player and potentially a starter if he can improve his finishing, but that's a bit of a big if.
Rooney and Van Persie probably do attempt far more audacious efforts to be fair being the far more talented strikers of the ball (Can you ever see Welbeck shooting from near the half way line like Rooney did?) and that probably leads to a lower shots to goals ratio. They probably also have more shots per game.
Not sure on that, just a guess. May be wrong, I know Welbeck has scored a few good goals for United.
Tbf, he doesn't though.
In the League
Welbeck - A goal every 162.33 minutes
Long - A goal every 319.43
All Compls
Welbeck - every 229 mins
Long - 345 mins
It's not even close tbh. I wish Long had as good a scoring ration as Welbeck as I'll admit to having a bit of a hard on to Long.
Welbeck started off great at Sunderland, he had a string of games up front for them before Christmas where he was scoring better than 1 in 2. He then picked up a few injuries and the rest of his season faltered out due to them. He also played LW for them in about half his games there. True he may be overrated by some fans here to a certain extent, but it probably just comes from fighting against the tide of negative opinion from people who don't actually realise that he doesn't play as a striker half the time, yet judge him as if he does. True he can be frustrating due to lack of composure in front of goal, but that is somewhat balanced by his phenomenal athleticism, that combined with his very tidy all round game results in many chances for him or others, that otherwise wouldn't have come about in the first place.
The reason I mention Sturridge is because he faced similar criticisms while not playing as a proper striker and was sold for just £12 million. Now it's clear that he is worth much more than that. Same thing here with people suggesting that Welbeck is worth no more than £12 million. This in a world where Lallana costs £25 million.
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Did you pluck that stat from your arse? Utter bollocks.
Stats aside, over the last couple of seasons United have usually looked a better side with Welbeck up front than we do without him (or when he's stuck out wide)
Been the same in pre-season. When he's played we've actually looked like we've a lot of goals in us. Without him, we've looked fairly toothless. Obviously, this is much more about his link-up play and all round footballing ability, rather than his personal goal threat. Something that gets lost if you insist on judging strikers by goals/game alone.
Been the same in pre-season. When he's played we've actually looked like we've a lot of goals in us. Without him, we've looked fairly toothless. Obviously, this is much more about his link-up play and all round footballing ability, rather than his personal goal threat. Something that gets lost if you insist on judging strikers by goals/game alone.
If he's good enough, reject all bids.
If he's not good enough, get rid, doesn't matter how much for. For us as fans, there is no point in saying 'I'd accept £20m but not £15m,' it's not like that money will be reinvested in the squad in any real way, it'll go to service the repayments and/or get added on to the rest of the pile. We don't need the money, we need quality players, and I think Danny is a quality player.
If he's not good enough, get rid, doesn't matter how much for. For us as fans, there is no point in saying 'I'd accept £20m but not £15m,' it's not like that money will be reinvested in the squad in any real way, it'll go to service the repayments and/or get added on to the rest of the pile. We don't need the money, we need quality players, and I think Danny is a quality player.
This entire rumour is completely fabricated and laughable. Not happening, never will.
As much as I love Danny I'd let him go for his sake and England's sake, left wing isn't and has never been his natural position and given a run of games in his position I know he'd come good. Worth at the very least 15m though.
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True he is one big joke outside Manchester and the Caf.
Probably more to do with Brucey having him on loan at Sunderpoznan a few years back.
I love Danny's story but he just isnt good enough as a striker. If he could be trained as a winger or wing back then I would keep him
Is that meant to prove something or?
I noted he's scored a few goals. He doesn't produce that kind of strike anywhere near as regularly as Rooney or Van Persie though, or attempt it.
Coyle sacrificed Elmander to the right wing in order to play Sturridge up front. You'd expect a talented player like Sturridge to get the goods when playing in his best role in the freedom he got under Coyle. Welbeck, on the other hand, wasn't given the same accommodations and freedom under Bruce at Sunderland. He was often shunted out to the right wing as Bruce wanted to play Bent and Gyan up front. Would Sturridge have made the same impact as Welbeck as a right winger in a 4-4-2?
However, whenever Welbeck played up front for Sunderland, he was threatening and scored goals for them. It's too bad that, when he was doing so well, he got a bad injury that ruled him out for a while. The same thing happened to him at Preston as well.
From the pre-season matches, Welbeck looks like the most fitting player for us up front alongside Rooney. Given how far up Rooney and Chicharito went when both played against Valencia, Mata was easily closed down and made quiet. Plus, Mata also often made forward runs when both Rooney and Chicharito were high up the pitch, leaving us with no one to link the midfield and attack. Someone like Welbeck would have been very useful as he would have given Mata more freedom to play his game.
I still see use in him, even if he couldn't fulfill the promise he showed as a youngster. He's very good at making us fluid in attack and bringing the best out of others. Plus, he can still finish well whenever he gets into a goalscoring position; he just needs to get into them more often.
EDIT: I should mention that whatever news outlet started this rumour has done well in getting tons of reads and clicks for this news.
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He is the only one who has the combination of pace, skill and is a constant goal threat from our wingers/strikers. He is flexible and his workrate is superb, could play anywhere in a front three. Cant believe some people want him sold for the sake of his career. We should be happy to have him in our squad. He will have plenty of game time and looked good in pre season. Thank god that LvG is our manager. After Shinji, people want Welbeck now out of the club after the first bullshit rumour appears. Some of you realise we need more than just 2 strikers at the club, and then complaining about our squad not being good enough etc.
So is Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Kagawa, Nani, Carrick, even van Persie, Rooney, and Mata are underrated. In fact, based on what I've seen opposition fans say, everyone bar de Gea is not as good as they're made out to be (this includes the summer signings as well).
Haha. First class sarcasm. Made me chuckle. Welbeck is not exactly a liability in any of the positions he's played, though he would of course benefit from having a long run in his favored position. Not done too badly for England has he?
Even if we do overrate him a bit, the ABU's calling him a big joke is nonsense.
De Gea was a shit liability for a good while there too. Miraculously came good though somehow*.
* That being, as hard as the media tried they couldn't even find a way to pin mistakes on him any more, while England's BraveHart couldn't stop fumbling.
Are they really underrated or overrated here? Dont forget most opinions are based on last season, Rafael, Evans, Kagawa, Nani, Carrick, Van Persie, Jones have done feck all last season , while Smalling was poor on RB, Rooney is the scapegoat of England, his abuse is so undeserved.
£10m? Feck right off.
If Welbeck ever leaves, I will be very disheartened.