Danny Welbeck to Hull for £10m?

[Dante]

Have people missed the bit about Welbeck scoring a goal every 160 minutes on average whilst Lukaku needs 170 minutes to manage the same feat?

Welbeck is more likely to get you a goal. He's also a certainty to make more passes, complete more passes, close down more defenders, contribute more to one touch play, be better at bringing his teammates into the game, and be more of a pacy threat over the top. Lukaku is stronger and has better hair.

 

[Rado_N]

How much is he worth in your opinion? And if we have no shortage of money why are we not spending any?

I've no real interest in putting a price on him; I want him in the squad so it's irrelevant to me.

Having money doesn't mean you HAVE to spend it. If the right players are either not available or not interested then there's not an awful lot to do. Not to mention the fact that LVG stated quite clearly that he wanted to assess the squad before deciding what he wanted, and preseason only ended about a week ago.

 

[IwatUwat]

I thought everyone has said there's no truth in this.

No chance is he worth anything under 20 mil. He's an England player and a forward. I rate Welbeck highly think he's worth well over 20 (in todays market).

Too good to for Hull.

 

[Dante]

Also, Welbeck is versatile enough to run up and down the wing all day long, like he has done against the big teams numerous times in the past.

£10m would be a joke. He's worth more than Lukaku.

 

[Steven Seagull]

How much is he worth in your opinion? And if we have no shortage of money why are we not spending any?

We don't need to sell him. We should be selling players for far higher than what you perceive their worth to be, otherwise you're just selling for the sake of it.

Hernandez should be the first to go as he offers very little that the other forwards do not.

 

[Rado_N]

Have people missed the bit about Welbeck scoring a goal every 160 minutes on average whilst Lukaku needs 170 minutes to manage the same feat?

Welbeck is more likely to get you a goal. He also a certainty to make more passes, complete more passes, close down more defenders, contribute more to one touch play, be better at bringing his teammates into the game, and be more of a threat over the top. Lukaku is stronger and has better hair.

Re the bold - yes. People will always ignore it as it flies in the face of the myth they're peddling.

Extrapolate his goals per minute whilst playing up front and he'd be on 20+ in the season.

Plus there's the fact that he generally makes the whole team operate better.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

To be fair Lukaku can put the ball in the net, Welbeck struggles with that part of his game, which is odd for a striker.

Plus Lukaku is younger and has the attributes to go on to be a world beater.

See above. Welbeck scores than Lukaku, despite often playing on the wing.

Your second sentence does justify a higher fee for Lukaku but not over twice as high.

 

[Blair]

See above. Welbeck scores than Lukaku, despite often playing on the wing.

Your second sentence does justify a higher fee for Lukaku but not over twice as high.

Absolutely, his fee shouldn't be more than double. Think £15m and £26m is fair.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Re the bold - yes. People will always ignore it as it flies in the face of the myth they're peddling.

Extrapolate his goals per minute whilst playing up front and he'd be on 20+ in the season.

Plus there's the fact that he generally makes the whole team operate better.

Which constantly gets (deliberately?) overlooked by the "ship him out" crew.

Internet bickering aside, I'm not worried in the slightest about Welbeck leaving. Van Gaal is a smart manager who will be well aware of his qualities, the new formation creates more game time for strikers and Danny will obviously be reluctant to leave Manchester United.

What I am worried about is the state of his knee(s). I read something last year about a long-standing issue with the cartilage of one (or both?) of his knees and he does seem to repeatedly miss chunks of the season with some sort of knee problem. The same reason he's missed a fair bit of pre-season and is a doubt for Saturday. If his cartilage is stuffed there's not a lot you can do about it and the more football he plays the worse it will get. In a really worst case scenario, he could end up with the same problems that wrecked Saha/King's careers.

 

[golden_blunder]

Welbeck is a Manc Ameobi.

rubbish

*added to list

 

[mic.m]

I'd pick Lukaku over Welbeck everytime. I know many Caftards would be outraged if he was playing for another team and we were linked with him for the 20m+ they say he is worth.

 

[RedRover]

Does everybody forget his loan spell to Sunderland? He was awesome that year.

The problem is, he hasnt kicked on to the desired level he needs to to be a regular here.

I don't think he should be sold, we need a strong squad, but if he wants to move on to a club where he can play regularly (and given that he will obviously want to play himself into the England team, he might) then I dont think the club should stand in his way.

He's not a kid anymore and needs to be playing week in week out. He's unlikely to get that at United either now or in the near future.

 

[Dante]

So 9 pages in 30 hours... and all because United fans have been desperately trying to outdo each other at belittling Danny Welbeck.

Glad that's over. Well, until the next time he fails to convert 100% of his chances.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

If Hull got him for 10 that would be steal of the century haha jesus christ

 

[Blair]

I'd pick Lukaku over Welbeck everytime. I know many Caftards would be outraged if he was playing for another team and we were linked with him for the 20m+ they say he is worth.

If Welbeck played for another time most on here would say he's shite.

 

[Speak]

If Welbeck played for another time most on here would say he's shite.

The exact things that many non-United fans say about Welbeck, Evans, Rafael, Smalling, Jones are the same things many United fans would say about them if they were playing for another team, especially a rival team.

The thought of buying Evans from Everton, would be no different to thoughts many have of buying McCarthy or Jagielka.

 

[Blair]

The exact things that many non-United fans say about Welbeck, Evans, Rafael, Smalling, Jones are the same things many United fans would say about them if they were playing for another team, especially a rival team.

The thought of buying Evans from Everton, would be no different to thoughts many have of buying McCarthy or Jagielka.

Exactly, all my non-United fan mate think all those players you listed are crap.

In all fairness I think McArthy is a very good player, but he's not good enough for us if we want to be challenging for Premier Leagues and Champions Leagues again.

 

[Dante]

Make a "How good is Danny Welbeck?" thread in the United forum if that's where you wanna take this discussion.

 

[Rolandofgilead]

Welbeck is a very good player who suffers from the neutrals not being able to see anything about a united player.

His defensive work especially down the left is a massive plus point, he is disciplined and can start moves as well as working hard to stop opponents moves, it's a real underrated asset to have in your squad, it seems that unless a player scores x amount of goals a season he suddenly becomes an average player.

His first touch needs a lot of work, as does his composure in front of goal but these are not reasons to sell him on for £10 million, I would much rather see what LVG can do to bring the best out of him, he is such a useful player to have in the squad.

 

[mcGonigle]

Also, Welbeck is versatile enough to run up and down the wing all day long, like he has done against the big teams numerous times in the past.

£10m would be a joke. He's worth more than Lukaku.

It doesnt matter who he is better than.....
He is English so thats an automatic 25 million at the very least!!!!

And Id rather keep him!!

 

[Enigma_87]

See above. Welbeck scores than Lukaku, despite often playing on the wing.

Your second sentence does justify a higher fee for Lukaku but not over twice as high.

They are very different players I don't think they can be compared gamewise. They both offer different attributes that will be of use for different teams. Lukaku is certainly the better striker of the two while Welbeck has the better overall game.

Welbeck is a bit overrated. He's 23 and can't say sky is the limit for him. Good squad player to have at a top team and probably a key starter for a team of Villa, Everton etc quality. But 15m is about his value so if United is offered that I think they should take the deal and strengthen in other areas.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

They are very different players I don't think they can be compared gamewise. They both offer different attributes that will be of use for different teams. Lukaku is certainly the better striker of the two while Welbeck has the better overall game.

Welbeck is a bit overrated. He's 23 and can't say sky is the limit for him. Good squad player to have at a top team and probably a key starter for a team of Villa, Everton etc quality. But 15m is about his value so if United is offered that I think they should take the deal and strengthen in other areas.

Don't get that logic at all. Quibbling over the fee aside, since when do we need to sell one player to fund another?

 

[Decotron]

This may just be the worst thread Ive seen on the CAF. 10million ? FFS

I think Welbeck will be one of our most important players in the new system. The formation works far better with him up top with Rooney. No coincidence we looked less convincing in the friendlies he missed with his injury.

 

[Bole Top]

Have people missed the bit about Welbeck scoring a goal every 160 minutes on average whilst Lukaku needs 170 minutes to manage the same feat? Welbeck is more likely to get you a goal.

He's worth more than Lukaku.

this has to be a joke, right?

 

[RedRover]

This may just be the worst thread Ive seen on the CAF. 10million ? FFS

I think Welbeck will be one of our most important players in the new system. The formation works far better with him up top with Rooney. No coincidence we looked less convincing in the friendlies he missed with his injury.

So Louis Van Gaal - the man who made RVP captain of Holland, will drop him for Danny Welbeck?

Are you on drugs?

 

[RedRover]

Don't get that logic at all. Quibbling over the fee aside, since when do we need to sell one player to fund another?

There is unlikely to be a situation where the club would ever have to sell him. That being said, if/when he wants to move on then that's a different story.

To be an England regular he needs to be playing regularly. As a formward more than anything the national sides pick on form.

 

[devilish]

If (and there's a big if in it) Welbeck is sold then its evident that he is not in VG's plan. In that case I cant see us make more then 15-20m for him. We have always been quite crap in selling our players.

 

[Dante]

this has to be a joke, right?

Lukaku plays more, so he scores more.

When Welbeck gets the chance to play, his minutes/goals average is better by 10 minutes for every goal scored. He also offers a hell of a lot more to the team play and has a much higher ceiling if you take into account his technical ability.

If (and there's a big if in it) Welbeck is sold then its evident that he is not in VG's plan. In that case I cant see us make more then 15-20m for him. We have always been quite crap in selling our players.

Welbeck was first choice alongside Rooney and Mata before he got injured in preseason. When RvP returns we'll see what happens. But there's no way that either Welbeck or LvG will want a sale until after they see how the new system gets bedded in.

 

[vibe]

Feck me so much wrong with this post. Clearly you can't have a great eyesight if all you see is pace...

If you're as literal as google translate, then yeah my words do seem a bit off. What I mean by it is all he has on other strikers in the top is pace. I cannot name a single team of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and Spurs, ourselves included, that don't already have better options up front. He has his moments, but he's not good enough to be a regular starter in any of those teams. The bigger problem is that he's too good to be a constant sub. He should be playing in the starting 11 every game, spearheading the attack. Hence why he'd do great in either Southampton or Newcastle. Hull don't have enough to provide for him and keep up with his speed and movement.

 

[Bole Top]

well, I disagree on "much higher ceiling" part. Lukaku just turned 21 and he already has 4 seasons behind him in which he scored 15+, so he's already a proven goalscorer at such young age. Welbeck isn't even that and he's 3 years older than him. he has done nothing yet to make me think he will surpass Lukaku and there's no way he's worth more.

 

[Decotron]

So Louis Van Gaal - the man who made RVP captain of Holland, will drop him for Danny Welbeck?

Are you on drugs?

I think 352 is more likely to work with Welbeck played up top with either RVP or Rooney. Better for the team.

and no, not yet but it is early.

 

[RedRover]

I think 352 is more likely to work with Welbeck played up top with either RVP or Rooney. Better for the team.

and no, not yet but it is early.

RVP will start when fit - very little doubt about that for me. Welbeck may get the nod if he's unfit, or rested, but that's about it.

I like Welbeck, great attitude and works hard but I think the side is more threatening with RVP up front simply because of the quality he brings and teh goal threat he poses.

 

[bdecuc]

Welbeck needs some time now being played as a striker with us to properly assess just what level he's capable of playing at. It's time for his career now surely to concentrate on the striker role and not be asked to constantly fill in here and there just because he's capable of doing a solid job. Personally I think he's excellent and while he might never attain the level of finishing of RVP or Rooney he should be more than good enough to be very effective as a striker for us.

Third choice behind Rooney and RVP this year would hopefully give him enough opportunity to prove himself. I just can't see how van Gaal wouldn't value him as a player?? At any rate the idea of him going to Hull for (for any fee really) but for £10 million is bizaare.

 

[adexkola]

Re the bold - yes. People will always ignore it as it flies in the face of the myth they're peddling.

Extrapolate his goals per minute whilst playing up front and he'd be on 20+ in the season.

Plus there's the fact that he generally makes the whole team operate better.

First of all, that is an invalid approach, and secondly, he won't get that run. Unless he scores 20 in a 6 match streak, when Rooney or RVP come back they'll displace him. I would be vehemently against benching him if he showed great form, but most fans and LvG most likely would return him to the bench.

 

[Decotron]

RVP will start when fit - very little doubt about that for me. Welbeck may get the nod if he's unfit, or rested, but that's about it.

I like Welbeck, great attitude and works hard but I think the side is more threatening with RVP up front simply because of the quality he brings and teh goal threat he poses.

I honestly think as a pair Rooney and RVP don't really suit each other. Either RVP or Rooney playing with Welbeck gives us a more balanced look.

Every time Rooney and RVP play together it seems to end up with Rooney dropping deeper and deeper. This season Id love to see him play upfront and stay there!

 

[arthurka]

I'd pick Lukaku over Welbeck everytime. I know many Caftards would be outraged if he was playing for another team and we were linked with him for the 20m+ they say he is worth.

Did you miss the WC? Lukaku was toss for Belgium..

 

[Pogue Mahone]

First of all, that is an invalid approach, and secondly, he won't get that run. Unless he scores 20 in a 6 match streak, when Rooney or RVP come back they'll displace him. I would be vehemently against benching him if he showed great form, but most fans and LvG most likely would return him to the bench.

If any manager has the balls to pick on form, rather than reputation, Van Gaal does.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Did you miss the WC? Lukaku was toss for Belgium..

WC is not a reliable gauge for player abilities. Lukaku is a beast and is definitely better than Welbeck right now, but Welbeck is not merely one third of the player Lukaku is, hence the 10m valuation is ridiculous.

 

[adexkola]

If any manager has the balls to pick on form, rather than reputation, Van Gaal does.

Literally.

I hope so, for Welbeck's sake. He deserves a shot.

 

[KM]

If you don't rate Welbeck, then you know feck all about football.