Danny Welbeck to Hull for £10m?
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If Ross McCormack and Shane Fecking Long are worth 12m, Welbeck must be 25m.. What a rubbish news this is..
Welbeck isn't going anywhere, but 10M? 
Not one of them are strikers, and Sandro? Really? Your posts are bloody awful. You can talk about his goal scoring record al you want, but Soldado was fecking AWFUL last season. His La liga record is irellevent, all he has proven so far is he is a rubbish and inept striker at premier league level who can score the odd penalty. When bloody adebayor who hadn't played for months comes in and gets double figures while Soldado does feck all, you have to look at that and say you spent terribly. Welbeck was miles better last season than Soldado and was unfairly dropped when he was in goalscoring form for Rooney and RVP when they were back from injury.
To you too.Why don't you look back a few posts to see why I made those comparisons, before making stupid baseless statements. Not one of them are strikers because he said Welbeck would be our BEST PLAYER, not our best striker. So please, keep your fingers steady and learn to read a bit, yeah? I also love how you jump on the bandwagon and attack me rather than the numerous United fans making similar posts. It's unacceptable when a rival fan questions your players, I guess. Also "Sandro, Really?" - yes, the same Sandro was considered one of the best defensive midfielders in the league not so long ago before a series of injuries. In his role he's well ahead of Welbeck as a striker. Another player who had a poor season and is now crap, he was our player of the season the year before until an unfortunate injury. I've actually seen numerous posts by United fans saying they'd like to sign Sandro and rate him, so you acting as if he's crap is a bit silly really isn't it?
He's had one season and struggled in the Premier League, thus his top scoring record throughout his entire career is irrelevant. Ah yes, my posts are bloody awful, have a look at your own please. Judging a player off one poor season rather than his several very, very good ones in a league arguably superior to the PL is a good sign of a true moron who is quick to judge rather than giving players time. Soldado struggled, undoubtedly. Does that make him a terrible player? No.
"Bloody Adebayor" - Yes, that terrible player who was in double figure for goals/assists not long ago in the league. Something Danny pissing Welbeck could only dream of. Adebayor has been with us for a couple of seasons now, knows the league very well and is a top striker when on form and a far more effective goalscorer than Welbeck.
Welbeck was better than Soldado last season. Not hard really, is it? So were a million other players. He had a very poor year.
Neither are worth that, especially the latter.Just like Luiz isn't worth 50m. They're inflated, stupid fees. Welbeck is worth about 15m.
And if Adam Lallana is worth £25million, Welbeck is worth £35million. Minimum. Fees have been a bit wild this summer.
We're a terrible selling club though, Ronaldo aside. I thought young English players were meant to have hugely inflated fees?
Why don't you look back a few posts to see why I made those comparisons, before making stupid baseless statements. Not one of them are strikers because he said Welbeck would be our BEST PLAYER, not our best striker. So please, keep your fingers steady and learn to read a bit, yeah? I also love how you jump on the bandwagon and attack me rather than the numerous United fans making similar posts. It's unacceptable when a rival fan questions your players, I guess. Also "Sandro, Really?" - yes, the same Sandro was considered one of the best defensive midfielders in the league not so long ago before a series of injuries. In his role he's well ahead of Welbeck as a striker. Another player who had a poor season and is now crap, he was our player of the season the year before until an unfortunate injury. I've actually seen numerous posts by United fans saying they'd like to sign Sandro and rate him, so you acting as if he's crap is a bit silly really isn't it?
He's had one season and struggled in the Premier League, thus his top scoring record throughout his entire career is irrelevant. Ah yes, my posts are bloody awful, have a look at your own please. Judging a player off one poor season rather than his several very, very good ones in a league arguably superior to the PL is a good sign of a true moron who is quick to judge rather than giving players time. Soldado struggled, undoubtedly. Does that make him a terrible player? No.
"Bloody Adebayor" - Yes, that terrible player who was in double figure for goals/assists not long ago in the league. Something Danny pissing Welbeck could only dream of. Adebayor has been with us for a couple of seasons now, knows the league very well and is a top striker when on form and a far more effective goalscorer than Welbeck.
Welbeck was better than Soldado last season. Not hard really, is it? So were a million other players. He had a very poor year.
You're the one making stupid baseless assessments comparing him to defenders, goalkeepers and midfielders mate.
Did not say adebayor is terrible, he's just past his best, yet he still did much better after the shit he has gone through. Soldado didn''t.
So basically you are admitting that Soldado is a piss poor player compared to Welbeck. Well done.
The negative comments Welbeck gets is amusing. He would be a brilliant signing for Hull at £10million as he is a 23yo English lad who has experienced the champions league and multiple international caps. He can play in various positions and is efficient with the ball. Granted he does nothing flashy and isn't clinical enough to be a striker, but £10million would be a steal considering various similarly aged British players have gone for more and are nowhere near his level.
He will struggle to fit into our system without wingers as I don't think he's good enough in front of goal to hold down a striker position, however some of the negative stick this local lad gets for being a useful squad member and running his socks off when called upon is disgraceful.
He will struggle to fit into our system without wingers as I don't think he's good enough in front of goal to hold down a striker position, however some of the negative stick this local lad gets for being a useful squad member and running his socks off when called upon is disgraceful.
10 million?
I wouldn't sell him for anything and I am not worried in the slightest that the board or LvG are considering selling him!
He has absolutely everything and even his finishing was good when played as a striker: good technique, pace, good link-up play, versatile, works hard, still young, English, academy product. If we sell him then we can as well close our academy and rename ourselves Chelsea/City II.
He has absolutely everything and even his finishing was good when played as a striker: good technique, pace, good link-up play, versatile, works hard, still young, English, academy product. If we sell him then we can as well close our academy and rename ourselves Chelsea/City II.
What nonsense is this? Where did this report come from? Seem to have completely missed reading anything about this.
Did you watch our pre season games before his injury? He was incredibly important in keeping the fowards fluid in attack and defending from the front, RVP and Rooney will find it hard to displace him if he keeps up that level of performance, clearly LVG sees him as his kind of player to fit that second striker spot.
...Because one of your fellow United fans asked which Spurs player I considered superior to Welbeck. I gave him a list of players I thought were better. I'm not comparing them, I am saying they are superior footballers to him. You seem to have trouble understanding this. I also mentioned Lloris, doesn't mean I was comparing the two.
Adebayor is 30 and has never relied on pace. Van Persie's 31. He's not past his best, he is still very capable and hasn't really lost his edge. His only problem is his attitude - he only performs when he wants to and Sherwood got him wanting to play for him.
Yes, that's what I said. Or if you read it properly, I quite clearly was saying Welbeck had a superior season to Soldado and that Soldado had a bad year, but has a stellar career that he should be judged on rather than a single poor season. Soldado is clearly a very capable striker from his goalscoring records in one of the world's strongest leagues, one who experienced a poor first year in England.
Soldado in his final season with Valencia had 24 league goals. To compare, Falcao (with a superior side) had 28 with 3 more penalties. Now, Falcao is obviously the superior striker but someone scoring that many goals in a top league is not as bad as he's shown in the Premier League.
From the Mirror. But then another journo from the same newspaper said it was complete nonsense.
I chuckled at that.
Welbeck is overrated on the Caf and surprisingly continues to get the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think anyone in the thread doubted that Welbeck would be a good signing for Hull. The debate is about whether he could do better or not.
He's had one season and struggled in the Premier League, thus his top scoring record throughout his entire career is irrelevant. Ah yes, my posts are bloody awful, have a look at your own please. Judging a player off one poor season rather than his several very, very good ones in a league arguably superior to the PL is a good sign of a true moron who is quick to judge rather than giving players time. Soldado struggled, undoubtedly. Does that make him a terrible player? No.
"Bloody Adebayor" - Yes, that terrible player who was in double figure for goals/assists not long ago in the league. Something Danny pissing Welbeck could only dream of. Adebayor has been with us for a couple of seasons now, knows the league very well and is a top striker when on form and a far more effective goalscorer than Welbeck.
Welbeck was better than Soldado last season. Not hard really, is it? So were a million other players. He had a very poor year.
Why would he dream of something that he has done already?
This ain't happening. Only striker to leave is Hernandez and possibly as a swap deal to bring in Vidal.
If I was him I would leave. He's not getting a proper chance in his position. Rooney and RVP had the benefit of playing in their preferred position for years while developing.
Nothing surprising about it; he's a local lad who works very hard and is capable of flashes of brilliance, when he genuinely looks like a very exciting player. Of course he gets the benefit of the doubt. Nani and Anderson have been getting that as well for a long time...
I think he's a decent squad player who should aim higher than Hull. I wouldn't sell him.
Danny Welbeck has never had double figures for goals and assists in the Premier League.
Because what he offers is far more superior than the likes of Hernandez, who's style of play does not fit the modern game. A striker does not have to simply score 30 goals a season to be good, he has to have other attributes nowadays, good link up play, teamwork, defensive ability (pressing) etc, all Welbeck has already. I'm not even sure if its finishing that is his problem, he has done some great finishes (Sweden 2012, his debut, the chip against Swansea), its his composure, that can only get better by playing in his natural position consistently, which LVG will give him.
I would let Hernandez go instead.
Welbeck will get plenty of chances in his favoured position this season due to our new formation. Both Rooney and RVP miss chunks of the season due to injury and RVP will be rested quite a bit.
Welbeck will get plenty of chances in his favoured position this season due to our new formation. Both Rooney and RVP miss chunks of the season due to injury and RVP will be rested quite a bit.
What's with this Eriksen? He constantly posts inflammatory remarks/quips about United. Then when posters retort/bite he acts all innocuous and pretends as though he has done nothing wrong. He constantly sides with the Pool fans and anything which would be against United under the guise of 'objectivity'. He seems like a fairly knowledgeable poster and all but he seems to be arguing with posters here more often than contributing anything...
Err he got 9 goals last season, pretty sure he is convinced he will get to double figures soon enough , not something he would be 'dreaming' of.
I am really surprised to see how some people overrate Welbeck. The truth outside of OT is that he is not that highly rated and there is good reason. He is a striker who needs to create and score goals and he hasn't done enough of that irrespective of how good he is with his link up play, pressing, tactical acumen yada yada.
He has shown a lot of promise but if he isn't given a consistent run up front, we will never know if he can be a dependable striker who can maintain his performance for an entire season while shouldering the majority of the goal scoring responsibility. As long as we have Rooney and RVP, I am certain that Welbeck will be under far less scrutiny in here.
He has shown a lot of promise but if he isn't given a consistent run up front, we will never know if he can be a dependable striker who can maintain his performance for an entire season while shouldering the majority of the goal scoring responsibility. As long as we have Rooney and RVP, I am certain that Welbeck will be under far less scrutiny in here.
It really, really isn't. If you guarantee 30 goals a season you will have a job at a top club. Even if you're a poacher ala Inzaghi. If you're just decent at the "other" attributes, you're not walking into a top club starting position as a striker. Just name one striker in Welbeck's mould that holds a spot at one of Europe's top clubs.
Benzema plays that role so Ronaldo and Bale can score their screamers every game, Villa and Sanchez did it for Messi and before that, Eto'o and Henry.
BS story and if you're asking should we sell him for £10m then no of course we shouldn't, can't believe anyone would even consider it. One of our best players for a while now, very unlucky to have Rooney and Robin playing in his best position. Has looked perfect for Van Gaal's new system.
Look at their respective goal records. In 08-09 Eto'o played in the center, Henry played on the left. Benzema scores a good amount as well.
You can't be anemic in front of goal and displace genuine goal threats in a team.
I really like him but for his own development he should move on. He isn't going to get a chance on the wings this season as he has previously and he isn't getting ahead of Rooney and Van Persie. He'd be a fantastic signing for someone like Hull but I think he can do much better.
That'd because they were at their peak years and had more experience and composure in their natural positions than Welbeck who is only 23 and has been shafted for other players.
Besides if you look at Welbeck's run when RVP and Rooney were both out, he scored every game leading up to the Sunderland COC game, you tell me if that's a sign he is anemic in front of goa?l? After that he was dropped and BARELY featured, a striker can also only score as many goals as the ball is given to him, considering the football we played that season he did well. Played better than RVP and Rooney in a lot of cases.
Welbeck will need to step up and be more composed in the final 3rd. He is still very young and good coach can improve him significantly from now on. He isn't particularly great to lead the front line for a top team at the moment but there is absolutely no chance he will be sold now. Every fan overrates their own players and it is the same with Welbeck. There is really not much to see into this, the quality is there and there is a long way to go before judgement can be passed.
The idea that Welbeck is overrated is hilarious. He gets massively over criticised by so many people, if anything he's underrated.
Wouldn't want to sell him full stop, but £10m is nothing short of insulting.
Wouldn't want to sell him full stop, but £10m is nothing short of insulting.
Benzema who scores 20 goals+ a season constantly?
Eto'o and Henry who scored 20-30 goals a season when playing in tandem with Messi?
All three are/were a million leagues better than Welbeck.
Well this has to be up there with the most ridiculous rumours of the summer. Steve Bruce can put a bid in for him all he wants, he won't be going there. May as well aim even higher and put a cheeky one in for Messi as well.
Playing in La Liga ffs. Also Benzema has only scored 20 goals ONCE for real madrid. He does not and is not a consistent goal scorer. Again, because he sacrifces it for Ronaldo.
that is why i think Hull(bruce) is the one putting this news. I dont think its Welbeck's agent because Hull cannot really be used as Leverage.
Massively overrated on here. His fanboys on here last summer argued with me staunchly that he would score 20-25 goals in the 13/14 seasons; guess what, he got nowhere near that. Yes the excuses will come flowing about how he was played out of position etc.
I'm sure those same fanboys will harp on again about how he will hit the 20 goal mark this season. It's very tedious stuff. Danny is a decent player but he has a massive amount of work to do if he ever wants to be hitting those numbers for us. I see him as a decent squad player but no more than that. I honestly think if he played for any of our rivals, he would be lambasted. Sure some on here still ridicule the far superior Sturridge. It's honestly red-tinted specs with too many of our players.
Outside of the 'Caf, I find people have a far more realistic view on Welbeck and how good he actually is. I personally have time for him but there's plenty of his game that he has to improve. I can never buy into some of the posters on here assessments that he is some brilliant underrated player. I certainly wouldn't sell him for ten million, though; that would be ridiculous.
I'm sure those same fanboys will harp on again about how he will hit the 20 goal mark this season. It's very tedious stuff. Danny is a decent player but he has a massive amount of work to do if he ever wants to be hitting those numbers for us. I see him as a decent squad player but no more than that. I honestly think if he played for any of our rivals, he would be lambasted. Sure some on here still ridicule the far superior Sturridge. It's honestly red-tinted specs with too many of our players.
Outside of the 'Caf, I find people have a far more realistic view on Welbeck and how good he actually is. I personally have time for him but there's plenty of his game that he has to improve. I can never buy into some of the posters on here assessments that he is some brilliant underrated player. I certainly wouldn't sell him for ten million, though; that would be ridiculous.