Obviously, and as I said, that since Rose is unhappy about Spurs only finishing 2nd (a point raised by the poster I replied to), it begs the question as to how United players feel about 6th place.
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Obviously, and as I said, that since Rose is unhappy about Spurs only finishing 2nd (a point raised by the poster I replied to), it begs the question as to how United players feel about 6th place.
This is nothing to do with United so why try and divert away from the topic?
We can all give opinion and speculate but I leave that to the media. What is factually correct is Danny Rose is unhappy. It's also factually correct no United players are giving any indication they are unhappy.
You've been told this would happen for a while. Players won't be satisfied with finishing 2/3/4th. They want to win things, play against the best and be somewhere with ambition. United tick all those boxes at the moment, Spurs don't.
It's a lot easier to accept failure when you are amongst the highest paid players in your position in the world. Also United players won 2 trophies just last season.
He can banish those unhappy thoughts by moving to the team that finished 1st.
United don't "tick all those boxes" - you finished in 6th place and 5th before that, despite spending vast sums of money.
As for club ambition, I'd suggest that Spurs committing not far short of one billion pounds towards a new stadium complex and new training centre shows plenty of ambition.
If the complaint is that we don't show similar big-spending ambition in the transfer market and on wages, then the answer is simple: right now we can't afford to.
He could, but he won't.
United tick the boxes of winning things, playing at the highest level, showing ambition to bring in top players and paying competively. They are the fundamentals to keep players happy.
Spurs dont tick them all... Danny Rose said it himself.
True. But that is not a positive for the club.
It is if you want to hold onto your players.
Actually that sounds like a pretty decent salary for a left back, who isn't much of a world beater. If I were a Spurs fan, I wouldn't mind a good bucket of money for Rose. He's replaceable.
No, but it is a huge positive for the players. That's what this is all about, player happiness. I don't think we have a solitary squad member who we could consider unhappy.
Spurs on the otherhand....
United currently tick some boxes, although "playing at the highest level" is not amongst them. As far as Spurs are concerned, I'm quite happy to accept that there are quite a few boxes that remain to be ticked .
We have DDG who is happy to turn down Madrid over the last 2 seasons to stay with us.
Same goes for Pogba, hell Lukaku turned down the reigning PL champions.
Id say Rose would be more than happy at Utd
Same goes for Pogba, hell Lukaku turned down the reigning PL champions.
Id say Rose would be more than happy at Utd
Not that great when you consider what players of similar ability earn, for example Luke Shaw earns 100k a week.
Would we be happy spending Walker kind of money on him? Because that is what it will take.
United have just contested the Super Cup against the best team in the world. They will also compete in the coming seasons Champions League, Europe's elite club competition.
They play at the highest level.
You're so pathetic
We pay over the odds for mediocrity. I suppose we have to do that in the short term but if Spurs get Walker type transfer fee and wages freed up, they should be able to replace Rose quite easily.
Glaston thinks the united squad are unhappy but just haven't gone public like Danny 'storm in a teacup' Rose
United currently hold some trophies.
Really? It's all about highly paid players being OK with finishing 6th because they all get fat salaries? You've summed up United's big problem in a nutshell - it's all become about the money, about how much income you make, about the huge salaries you pay, about the next 'galactico' signing you might make, about calling players at some other clubs 'slaves', because they don't earn as much, about throwing huge wages at teenagers like Shaw and then being surprised when they don't kick on.
I'd rather say that the club is more important than the players. Players come and go.
Pretty sure one of your own players said he doesn't even like football and he does it just for the money. But sure, it's United's problem. Most players at all clubs do it for the money, they don't give a shit about the city they play in.Yes. That's the price now. Spurs always over charge, plus the English player tax.
He's proven ever since he got a kick up the arse from that loan to Sunderland he's one of the best fullbacks in the league. He fits what we require.
Not happening this season though. Too late in the window.
Again, more of someone else's words being put in my mouth. I haven't said that the United squad's is unhappy.
Our fullbacks are far from mediocre. Valencia was one of our best performers last season, second only to Walker in list of best rightbacks in the league. Shaw has the potential to be world class, whether he meets that potential is another matter.
£100k a week for a top quality fullback is pretty much mandatory in this day and age.
It doesn't beg that question anymore than asking how Fraser Forster feels about where Southampton finished. It similarly would have nothing to do without Spurs and would be the arguing fashion of a child.
Actually I was following your narrative re player happiness. You asked the question as to whether United players were happy finishing 6th. I'd say they were content finishing 6th rather than happy. Earning top dollar of course goes along way in easing any concerns the players may have about the future.
Now you're simply trying to turn it around.
It's not just United's problem, but you have it more than most.
Since Fergie retired you've spent stupendous sums on additions to your last title winning squad, but have gone backwards. If you can't acknowledge this huge discrepancy then any possibility of honest discussion goes out the window.
IMO United have lost their way: money - big wages, big transfer fees - has caused you to fail to see the wood for the trees.
Players want to win trophies and earn a fat wedge. At United they do both, at Spurs they do neither.
Care to explain how we have gone backwards? This should be good.
Well, I'd rather have Rose being unhappy about finishing 2nd - and going public about it - than a squad full of players being content with 6th place because they earn fat wages.
It doesn't need explaining. A look at the league tables for the last 4 seasons is far more than sufficient.
I see that, I also see the inevitable deflecting everything on to United. No doubt people will humour him
I'm not going to argue that with you, I was just laughing at you making out like we had some kind of exclusive problem that actually the majority of players around the world have, including at your own club. You seemed to be ridiculing it when it's a fact.
Yeah. Davies already showed last year that he wasn't far off Rose's level and Robertson could probably be brought in for half the price to do a similar job. Losing Rose and Walker would have a pretty big impact on the team's setup though. Their pace and power were an important part of the team. I think they've done well to sell Walker for what they did but losing Rose too is a slightly different story.
I didn't say anything about Valencia being mediocre, he's up there with the best in the world for me. But Shaw is and he's shown nothing to deserve the salary he earns.
The best fullback in the world, imo, is Marcelo. He's on £80,000 a week. Europe is littered with decent good quality players of Danny Rose level, we're just paying premium for English + premier league experience.
Context, mate.
The players aren't stupid, they were very aware of United's transitional period long before they signed any contract to play for us. With that said, it's safe to assume that they were not expecting a great deal in terms of our league position, not until we escape that transitional period anyway. This season they will be expecting more, a title challenge perhaps, at the very least CL qualification. A sign of progression goes a long way in making a player happy...
...that and the huge wage packet they receive at the end of the week of course.
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Seeing as you ignored it, care to explain why you don't think United play at the highest level?
Seeing as you ignored it, care to explain why you don't think United play at the highest level?
You have to remember that Luke Shaw arrived at the club with a huge reputation, paying him a salary befitting his ability would have been perfectly justifiable all things considered. We may have lost out on his signature had we offered a lesser contract. Chelsea among others were sniffing around him.
You're right, though, we do pay premium rates. Because we can afford to. Sure we pay over the odds from time to time, well all the time if we're being honest, but that's simply the price of success. Our general pay rate is not exclusive to English players predominantly, we pay top dollar for literally any player to whom we purchase, regardless of heritage.
United way? We were always spending big money on players.
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